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Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

Davian said:
The FSM is clearly in the lead at this point.

May you all be touched by his noodly appendage.

We actually believe in our God.

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Colter said:
You didn't prove anything other than you live inside of a sad, closed minded theory that you use as a filter for anything to the contrary.

But my people come from Scotland, I figure they came to the new world in search of more booze. So we at least have that in common.

You neither refuted any of the premises or showed any formal problems with the arguments. It actually takes more than an assertion to refute an argument.

If the argument fails as you say you should be able to show why it fails. Will you do that please?

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Colter said:
Ha ha ha, now who has the bald assertions. Message for Scotsman, your philosophy of life is morbid, it has no appeal to real truth seekers.

Do you presume to speak for all truth seekers now?

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

True Scotsman said:
Do you presume to speak for all truth seekers now?

Well, I'm about to go get beer, but I still have an awesome God.

Best of both worlds.

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Colter said:
The I AM is primacy, the Trinity liberates the Father from its inherent limitations.

Your demand for proofs of the consciousness of spirit perception is a cowards bluff.

Nice deepities. So then it would follow that belief without proof is brave.

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

True Scotsman said:
Nice deepities. So then it would follow that belief without proof is brave.

It's not believing without proof. It's believing without seeing.

...and in some instances, it's not even that.

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
It's not believing without proof. It's believing without seeing.

...and in some instances, it's not even that.

Well that is the same thing. You are saying that your beliefs can not be tied to perception. If so then how are the concepts formed. Logic is a process of non-contradictory identification and integration of the material brought to us by the senses. Do you have some other non-sensory means of acquiring knowledge? If so what is it and how does it work? Can You describe it in a way that I can verify it with my five senses?

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

True Scotsman said:
Well that is the same thing. You are saying that your beliefs can not be tied to perception. If so then how are the concepts formed. Logic is a process of non-contradictory identification and integration of the material brought to us by the senses. Do you have some other non-sensory means of acquiring knowledge? If so what is it and how does it work? Can You describe it in a way that I can verify it with my five senses?

It's not the same thing. Also, I did say that some people have seen.

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
It's not the same thing. Also, I did say that some people have seen.

Which is better: believing without seeing or believing with seeing?

Davian · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
We actually believe in our God.

Who is this "we" that you speak for? How can you be sure anyone else believes?

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

True Scotsman said:
Which is better: believing without seeing or believing with seeing?

Well, according to God:

John 20:29;

"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

Davian said:
Who is this "we" that you speak for? How can you be sure anyone else believes?

Welcome to Christianforums.com. For those unaware, "Christian" means "Christ follower." Usually that would denote belief.

How can you be sure the sky is blue? How do you know 9/11 happened? Are you sure you woke up today? What if it's like The Matrix?

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
Well, according to God:

John 20:29;

"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

OK great. Thank you very much for a direct answer even if it is in the form of a Bible quote.

So it is better to believe without seeing. How are these beliefs informed then if they are not reducible to sensory perception? Is it by some non-sensory means?

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

True Scotsman said:
OK great. Thank you very much for a direct answer even if it is in the form of a Bible quote.

So it is better to believe without seeing. How are these beliefs informed then if they are not reducible to sensory perception? Is it by some non-sensory means?

I don't know if it's better or not, it's just a blessing.

These beliefs are informed without seeing. There's more to our faith than a visual confirmation.

Davian · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
Welcome to Christianforums.com. For those unaware, "Christian" means "Christ follower." Usually that would denote belief.

How can you be sure the sky is blue? How do you know 9/11 happened? Are you sure you woke up today? What if it's like The Matrix?

Why so evasive? I asked you a simple question: How can you be sure anyone else believes?

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

Davian said:
Why so evasive? I asked you a simple question: How can you be sure anyone else believes?

I'm not going to answer a question like that.

Who do you think I am? Do you think I'm here to amuse you, Davian?

Also, it's "Why are you so evasive?" I think you've watched too much Batman.

True Scotsman · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
I don't know if it's better or not, it's just a blessing.

These beliefs are informed without seeing. There's more to our faith than a visual confirmation.

What is the "more"? That's what I would like to know. If Jesus said it was better to believe without seeing, which I take to mean without objective input, then I can see why Christians bristle at being asked for evidence. It lessens them in the eyes of their savior. I would think that if Christians truly believe this passage then they would be proud to say that they have no evidence to base their beliefs on.

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

The easiest way to find out what the "more", is, is to to start with the Book of Matthew and work your way up to the Book of John.

Each individual also has their own personal experience of God.

Also, you're being highly offensive when you suggest anything "lessens" us in the eyes of our Savior.

On the basis of that statement, welcome to ignore.

Davian · Oct 8, 2014

Blessedj01 said:
I'm not going to answer a question like that.

Why not? Is it not possible that those around you, claiming to believe, are simply putting up a false front?

Blessedj01 said:
Who do you think I am? Do you think I'm here to amuse you, Davian?

From all appearances, yes. I am here to observe the vast and intricate rationales that theists devise to explain why gods are, in every external, objective respect, indistinguishable from nothing.

Blessedj01 said:
Also, it's "Why are you so evasive?" I think you've watched too much Batman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoX-HkOcEuE

Blessedj01 · Oct 8, 2014

Davian said:
Why not? Is it not possible that those around you, claiming to believe, are simply putting up a false front?

From all appearances, yes. I am here to observe the vast and intricate rationales that theists devise to explain why gods are, in every external, objective respect, indistinguishable from nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoX-HkOcEuE

Welcome to ignore. :wave:

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