flood of anti-Mormon sentiment

[happyinhisgrace]

Depending on what your position on cleavage is, you'll have my support.

My position on cleavage is that it is not to be shown on a christian forum...do I get your vote? lol

Grace

 

[arizona_sunshine]

Yes, and if you subcribe to the lds standards you are expected to show so appropriately.

Expected by who? If they are your expectations, let me warn you right now I will fail miserably.

 

[Theway]

I was thinking about the enforcement of the WOW. I know the mormon community to be very tight and close knit. In any relationship like that, people know what is done and by whom. So, taking arizona's word for it that the bishop's enforcement of the WOW is too strong of a term, wouldn't the enforcement come from peer pressure with in the group itself? And knowing that the mormon community, like all close knit communities, gossip of behavior contrary to the WOW would get back to the Bishop? And wouldn't it be within the Bishop's job description to ask the temple recommend appilicant about the rumored behavior? So, in the end, the Bishop would be enforcing the WOW?

And, once again, I retain the caveat that my speculation may change as conditions warrant.

No there is not a Mormon Gestapo that runs around to make sure everyone is doing what they are supposed to. If there are gossipers and back-biters in the church then they are exactly where they should be. For the church was made for people like these (us) It is a place where we can learn from Christ how to correct such behavior.
BTW the thing that Happy and you fail to realize is that all interviews in the church are voluntary, you are never forced to attend any meetings.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

No there is not a Mormon Gestapo that runs around to make sure everyone is doing what they are supposed to. If there are gossipers and back-biters in the church then they are exactly where they should be. For the church was made for people like these (us) It is a place where we can learn from Christ how to correct such behavior.
BTW the thing that Happy and you fail to realize is that all interviews in the church are voluntary, you are never forced to attend any meetings.

Yes, they are voluntary but one can not go to the highest heaven (celestial kingdom) without attending the temple and having endowments taken out and one cannot do this without an interview to get a temple recommend and one can not get a temple recommend if they don't obey the WofW and admit as such so when it all boils down to it, to go to the highest level of Mormon heaven, you have to go to meetings or you don't get to go on to become gods yourselves or even serve other gods in the CK. And no, I am not saying I would want to become a god, to say so would be blastfamey. The fact still remains that the WofW is enforced in the LDS church.

Grace

 

[arizona_sunshine]

The fact still remains that the WofW is enforced in the LDS church.

You are clinging to that argument. Why? Is that what this is about?

It is not.

 

[baker]

BTW the thing that Happy and you fail to realize is that all interviews in the church are voluntary, you are never forced to attend any meetings.

Ah yes, "voluntary".

But is there a practical consequence to "family events" if you do not attend these meetings?

Perhaps answering that question brings a little more reality to this claim of "voluntary"!

 

[Doc T]

Ah yes, "voluntary".

But is there a practical consequence to "family events" if you do not attend these meetings?

Perhaps answering that question brings a little more reality to this claim of "voluntary"!

Doc: Could you please be more specific about the "consequence to "family events" if you do not attend these meetings"?

 

[Theway]

Yes, they are voluntary but one can not go to the highest heaven (celestial kingdom) without attending the temple and having endowments taken out and one cannot do this without an interview to get a temple recommend and one can not get a temple recommend if they don't obey the WofW and admit as such so when it all boils down to it, to go to the highest level of Mormon heaven, you have to go to meetings or you don't get to go on to become gods yourselves or even serve other gods in the CK. And no, I am not saying I would want to become a god, to say so would be blastfamey. The fact still remains that the WofW is enforced in the LDS church.

Grace

You claim to have been a member however are you sure the church you were going to was LDS because none of the above statement is correct as you stated it.

 

[arizona_sunshine]

I want a drivers license.

All right, have you taken a drivers ed course?

No. I want a drivers license.

Having a drivers license is a 'priviledge', not a 'right.' There are consequences if one does not meet the standards.

Temple Attendance is a 'priviledge'. Not a 'right'. Worthiness is self evaluated. If one does not feel worthy, there are consequences. But the consequences are usually combined with loving leaders eager to help one become worthy for temple attendance.

In the United States, the laws are enforced. Why are the laws enforced? Because people have a right to be safe.

I still think 'enforce' is the wrong word for the attitude of the church toward any standard, but that is my opinion. And I will gladly admit that it is not that important what word is used, if, grace, you will try to understand the actual message I was presenting you during our overly emotive conversation.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

You claim to have been a member however are you sure the church you were going to was LDS because none of the above statement is correct as you stated it.

of course it is correct. Are you going to flat out lie and claim that you don't have to do all those things to get to the CK?

Grace

 

[happyinhisgrace]

You are clinging to that argument. Why? Is that what this is about?

It is not.

Because it is true!

Grace

 

[arizona_sunshine]

as you stated it.

You miss so much when you jump to conclusions.

 

[Theway]

of course it is correct. Are you going to flat out lie and claim that you don't have to do all those things to get to the CK?

Grace

If I do that's a different story. However I assumed you meant this was true for everyone.

 

[arizona_sunshine]

Because it is true!

In your perspective, fine. But several feel otherwise.

Regardless, you have clung to that little argument and missed an entire conversation.

 

[fatboys]

Yes, they are voluntary but one can not go to the highest heaven (celestial kingdom) without attending the temple and having endowments taken out and one cannot do this without an interview to get a temple recommend and one can not get a temple recommend if they don't obey the WofW and admit as such so when it all boils down to it, to go to the highest level of Mormon heaven, you have to go to meetings or you don't get to go on to become gods yourselves or even serve other gods in the CK. And no, I am not saying I would want to become a god, to say so would be blastfamey. The fact still remains that the WofW is enforced in the LDS church.

Grace

Grace if you do not believe that these leaders are called of God, and interview people to ask questions of worthiness, then would you still believe the need to go to the Celestial kingdom? If you don't want to commit to the WofW, you don't have to. But then what other things fall by the wayside as teachings of the church? If we do not commit ourselves to obey what is asked, then should we expect to receive blessings for what we did not do?

 

[Wrigley]

You are clinging to that argument. Why? Is that what this is about?

It is not.

C'mon arizona. Are you actually telling me that the WOW are not enforced? Are they looked at as quaint little recommendations not to be taken seriously? Are you actually telling me that if you do not follow the WOW you would still get a temple recommend?

grace has shown that one of the questions that the bishop asks is if you are keeping the WOW. Are you supposed to get 100% right to get your recommend? Or will a score of 80% get you the piece of paper?

 

[Wrigley]

Grace if you do not believe that these leaders are called of God, and interview people to ask questions of worthiness, then would you still believe the need to go to the Celestial kingdom? If you don't want to commit to the WofW, you don't have to. But then what other things fall by the wayside as teachings of the church? If we do not commit ourselves to obey what is asked, then should we expect to receive blessings for what we did not do?

I didn't know quid pro quo was part of your belief system.

They only reward I expect to get from my "works" here on earth is Jesus calling me a "good and faithful servent." For I know my works don't save me, those works are me showing my gratitude to God.

 

[arizona_sunshine]

Wrigley

Are you actually telling me that the WOW are not enforced?

Enforce is the wrong word. Read the thread.

Are they looked at as quaint little recommendations not to be taken seriously?

They are opportunities for self evaluation, they are very serious and very voluntary. Read the thread.

Are you actually telling me that if you do not follow the WOW you would still get a temple recommend?

No. Read the thread.

grace has shown that one of the questions that the bishop asks is if you are keeping the WOW.

Did I disagree with Miss Grace on this point? Wrigley, I assure you I did not. Read the thread.

Are you supposed to get 100% right to get your recommend? Or will a score of 80% get you the piece of paper?

100%.

C'mon Wrigley. Read the thread.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Grace if you do not believe that these leaders are called of God, and interview people to ask questions of worthiness, then would you still believe the need to go to the Celestial kingdom? If you don't want to commit to the WofW, you don't have to. But then what other things fall by the wayside as teachings of the church? If we do not commit ourselves to obey what is asked, then should we expect to receive blessings for what we did not do?

Let's stay on topic here....do you or don't you agree that the WofW is enforced in the since that one must obey it to get a temple recommend so they might go to the temple, get their endowments out so they can make it to the CK?

Grace

 

[arizona_sunshine]

Let's stay on topic here....do you or don't you agree that the WofW is enforced

Was that the topic?