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This makes no sense.arizona_sunshine said:happyinhisgrace
Sunshine, I completely agree, we do all fall short....however it is not the Christian community that believes man can achieve perfection and become gods themselves, it is the LDS community that claims that.
'Can acheive' are the operative words. Thru Christ, it is possible.
Dont limit the ability of the Atonement.
Oh, I don't...I know that it is God's doing and none of mine.
The comment about you "attire" was made because you state that you believe what the LDS church teaches and you embrace and stand firm in it however, you do not "exibt" their constant teaching of "modest dress". For the record, when I go camping, hiking, walking or biking, I wear clothing just like you have on in your picture but I would never post a picture of myself wearing that stuff on a Christian forum, it just isn't appropriate.
Do not even try to tell me that 'calling me into check' was for my own edification. Your attitude belies your motives quite clearly, grace. And if it were inappropriate, I believe I would have been made aware of that by now. I have not. In fact, the only one who has had a problem with it is yourself. I am glad to hear that you participate in activities such as hiking, biking and what not and, for the record, I would have no problem with you posting a picture of you wearing appropriate attire for the activities. I post this picture out of celebration for the area that I live in, activities I enjoy and because it personalizes my nickname to perfection,
Actually, if that was the case, you would post a picture of the area, not yourself. Good try though.
NOT BECAUSE:
I can only assume that you are either hoping to turn the eye of some lds guy on this board or that you don't really think your churches teaching of modesty is important.
Give me a break, grace, you give 'your assumptions' far too much credit.
Do I, don't fool yourself into thinking I am the only one who finds your picture innapropriate for this forum, I assure you, I am not.
Modesty is important, but why are we only discussing modesty here on the boards when you have been giving the opportunity to, once again, jump all over a member of the church for not 'living up' to their own standards.
It is the lds members and the lds church that claims it is more morally fit and strict than other churches, therefore, if they and you or anyone that belongs to that church believes such, they should show it, right?
Why is that the only time when it is important for us to discuss modesty on this board?
It's not incorrect because if one is honest with their bishop and says, "no, I don't follow the word of wisdom" they will not be given a temple recommend until they do follow the WofW, therefore, it is inforced.arizona_sunshine said:SIGH.
Do you take any time to understand the statements of others beyond your own little assumptions and motives?
I am well aware that the Word of Wisdom question is in the recommend interview. Well aware of that.
That is why I said:
When members are asked if they obey the Word of Wisdom, they are being asked to : SELF EVALUATE.
Does it look like I am unaware that is part of the interview? Does it really look like that? I am sorry that I completely confused and misled you. Sometimes I am lacking in the communication department.
What I disagree with you on is you choice of the word: ENFORCE.
It is absolutely incorrect.
happyinhisgrace said:It's not incorrect because if one is honest with their bishop and says, "no, I don't follow the word of wisdom" they will not be given a temple recommend until they do follow the WofW, therefore, it is inforced.
I was thinking about the enforcement of the WOW. I know the mormon community to be very tight and close knit. In any relationship like that, people know what is done and by whom. So, taking arizona's word for it that the bishop's enforcement of the WOW is too strong of a term, wouldn't the enforcement come from peer pressure with in the group itself? And knowing that the mormon community, like all close knit communities, gossip of behavior contrary to the WOW would get back to the Bishop? And wouldn't it be within the Bishop's job description to ask the temple recommend appilicant about the rumored behavior? So, in the end, the Bishop would be enforcing the WOW?happyinhisgrace said:It's not incorrect because if one is honest with their bishop and says, "no, I don't follow the word of wisdom" they will not be given a temple recommend until they do follow the WofW, therefore, it is inforced.
Grace
Wrigley said:I was thinking about the enforcement of the WOW. I know the mormon community to be very tight and close knit. In any relationship like that, people know what is done and by whom. So, taking arizona's word for it that the bishop's enforcement of the WOW is too strong of a term, wouldn't the enforcement come from peer pressure with in the group itself? And knowing that the mormon community, like all close knit communities, gossip of behavior contrary to the WOW would get back to the Bishop? And wouldn't it be within the Bishop's job description to ask the temple recommend appilicant about the rumored behavior? So, in the end, the Bishop would be enforcing the WOW?
And, once again, I retain the caveat that my speculation may change as conditions warrant.
Sunshine, all the fun little euphimisms in the world won't change the fact that the WofW is inforced. There is no way for you to get around it. If you don't live the WofW (according to whatever the church considers it to be at the time) and you are honest about it, you will not get a temple recommend, therefore, it is inforced. Pretty plain and simple.arizona_sunshine said:I gave you the definition of enforce. Seems a little strong to me.
There are consequences if the Word of Wisdom is not followed and I am sure they are encouraged to avoid breaking it, and thank you for educating us on all the ways the Mormons are failing.
This rounds us quite well back to the original problem:
Grace casting stones.
happyinhisgrace said:Sunshine, all the fun little euphimisms in the world won't change the fact that the WofW is inforced. There is no way for you to get around it. If you don't live the WofW (according to whatever the church considers it to be at the time) and you are honest about it, you will not get a temple recommend, therefore, it is inforced. Pretty plain and simple.
happyinhisgrace said:Sunshine, all the fun little euphimisms in the world won't change the fact that the WofW is inforced.
arizona_sunshine said:
'Online Hemline Check Club.'
LOL baker, I do not think my husband would approve of that but you are free to ask him yourself...LOLbaker said:
Grace, you gotta give credit where credit is due. That was hysterical.
Could I PLEASEget the two of you to go to dinner with me (at the same). I'm sure it would be well worth the tab, at any price!
blah blah blah blah.....the fact still remains that the LDS church does enforce the WofW.arizona_sunshine said:eu·phe·mism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (yf-mzm)
n.
The act or an example of substituting a mild, indirect, or vague term for one considered harsh, blunt, or offensive: Euphemisms such as slumber room... abound in the funeral business (Jessica Mitford).
I did not use a euphemism, just a more appropriate outlook.
What happens in a Temple Recommend Interview is not what I would consider harsh, blunt or offensive. Nor would I consider my own commentary on the matter mild, indirect or vague.
happyinhisgrace said:Also, if I get to be the president of the online hemline club, can I also be the president of the cleavage club too?
happyinhisgrace said:blah blah blah blah.....
Depending on what your position on cleavage is, you'll have my support.happyinhisgrace said:blah blah blah blah.....the fact still remains that the LDS church does enforce the WofW.
Also, if I get to be the president of the online hemline club, can I also be the president of the cleavage club too?
Grace
Practice what you preacharizona_sunshine said:Just leave it to grace to kick it up to a higher scale on the offensive meter.
Stop being rude.
happyinhisgrace said:Practice what you preach
Yes, and if you subcribe to the lds standards you are expected to show so appropriately.arizona_sunshine said:I am sorry that your command of the English language has limited you so...
If you use the word, you are expected to use it appropriately.
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