Flood Geology

[Diamond72]

I said the elements that made up the earth were created in 4004 BC.

Maybe you live on an island somewhere with only 6,000 years of history,
but the rest of us have a lot more to deal with than that.

 

[Diamond72]

Dinosaurs boarded the Ark, along with others.

God saved them on the Ark, just to kill them off? Why did He not just let them die in the flood? After all most of their remains are found in flood deposits.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe you live on an island somewhere with only 6,000 years of history,
but the rest of us have a lot more to deal with than that.

That's because they stretch time out into billions of years, then have to fill in the gaps somehow.

 

[AV1611VET]

God saved them on the Ark, just to kill them off?

He didn't "kill them off."

He "let them go extinct."

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Why did He not just let them die in the flood?

Perhaps He had a specific use for them?

After all most of their remains are found in flood deposits.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Diamond72]

He didn't "kill them off."

He "let them go extinct."

I thought that was the whole purpose of the flood.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think they were created 12.7 billion light-years away. We can travel 12.7 light years in an instant, we are already there. Everything is connected. But it takes 12.7 billion light years for the matter to travel that far. There are wormholes but our physical body, the elements that make us up, can not travel faster than the speed of light.

That's not how the chemical evolution of galaxies works. The elements in our Galaxy all formed in stars in the local galactic neighborhood. (Satellite galaxies merge with ours, streams of gas from nearby clouds flow in, etc.)

What we see when we look at things that are far distant and 12.7 billion years in the past are examples of what things were like in our neighborhood at that time, but there is no travel between them.

 

[Diamond72]

but there is no travel between them.

Some people believe we can travel through wormholes. Jodie Foster made a movie about that. God took me to the center of the Universe in a dream once when I was around 8 years old. He wanted to show me about how the universe expands and shrinks or contracts. Even if people are drifting apart He will bring us all back together again,

 

[Hans Blaster]

Some people believe we can travel through wormholes. Jodie Foster made a movie about that. God took me to the center of the Universe in a dream once when I was around 8 years old. He wanted to show me about how the universe expands and shrinks or contracts. Even if people are drifting apart He will bring us all back together again,

Wormholes are unlikely and definitely not demonstrated.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wormholes are unlikely and definitely not demonstrated.

Science is myopic, isn't it?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science is myopic, isn't it?

We don't live in SciFi/Fantasy land.

 

[AV1611VET]

We don't live in SciFi/Fantasy land.

Would you know it, if we did?

 

[Diamond72]

Wormholes are unlikely and definitely not demonstrated.

I have seen them. They are a lot like optical fiber. Also all my life it has been a popular expression for people to say they see the light at the end of a tunnel.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have seen them. They are a lot like optical fiber. Also all my life it has been a popular expression for people to say they see the light at the end of a tunnel.

[Journal citation needed]

 

[Astrid]

[Journal citation needed]

 

[Diamond72]

[Journal citation needed]

Just about all the presidents talk about seeing a light at the end of a tunnel.

Trump says nation can see "light at the end of the tunnel ..​

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-history-health-economy/index.html

Obama: Light at the End of the Tunnel​

https://rollcall.com/2009/08/07/obama-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-for-economic-recovery/
https://www.rollcall.com/2009/08/07/obama-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-for-economic-recovery/
“There is light at the end of the tunnel,” Biden said at the White House.
https://www.rollcall.com/2009/08/07/obama-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-for-economic-recovery/
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/newsletter/2021-03-03/biden-covid-vaccines-caution-todays-he

 

[doubtingmerle]

Either that, or there are 40 million, per the Smithsonian Institute.

But you're free to move that decimal place to force-fit your models and make them agree with other disciplines of science.

For the record, I found the original source of my claim that there are trillions of fossils down there. On page 127 of the excellent book, The Grand Canyon: Monument to an Ancient Earth, it refers to trillions of deceased organisms entombed in the rocks of the Grand Canyon and the Grand Stair Case north of the Grand Canyon. And that is just one small portion of the overall fossil record.

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[doubtingmerle]

Just about all the presidents talk about seeing a light at the end of a tunnel.

Trump says nation can see "light at the end of the tunnel ..​

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-history-health-economy/index.html

Obama: Light at the End of the Tunnel​

https://rollcall.com/2009/08/07/obama-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-for-economic-recovery/
Obama: Light at the End of the Tunnel’ for Economic Recovery - Roll Call
“There is light at the end of the tunnel,” Biden said at the White House.
Obama: Light at the End of the Tunnel’ for Economic Recovery - Roll Call
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/newsletter/2021-03-03/biden-covid-vaccines-caution-todays-he

Uh, when they refer to the light at the end of the tunnel, they are not talking about wormholes.

 

[doubtingmerle]

God created man on the sixth day and put him in the garden on the eighth day. The eighth day was 4004 BC. The eighth day was 4004 BC. The last 6 days were 1000 years and the first 7 days were 1000 year days.

You seem to be saying that Gen 1:3 ("Let there be light") was around 10,004 BC. That makes no sense, for there is an abundance of fossil evidence for animal life far before then.

Perhaps you really mean "thousands of years" , and yes, that is one way of getting the Bible to be consistent with a 4.5 billion year old earth.

How can it be that the first human couple lived in 4004 BC? For we see clear evidence of humans long before 4004 BC.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Dinosaurs boarded the Ark, along with others.

After the Flood, they disembarked, but couldn't handle the new climate, which went from a tropical paradise, to polar climatology.

They eventually died out, with a few exceptions, such as the Indians sighting a "Thunderbird."

They probably made their "last stand" in China, where they are incorporated extensively into Chinese culture -- especially the dragon.

This does not answer the question of where the dinosaur fossils came from.

Again, we find fossils of dinosaurs and many other animals down there. How did fossils get buried in multiple layers, often more than 2 miles deep? You don't seem to have an explanation for this. You have opposed the view that the fossils were there on the first week of creation (4004 BC), and you have opposed the view that they are the catastrophic remains of the flood. The last I heard, you claimed they were the deliberate divine cleanup arrangement in a specific order after the flood, but you have recently seemed to back away from that also. So where did those fossils come from? Will you simply ignore all the trillions down there?

 

[AV1611VET]

How can it be that the first human couple lived in 4004 BC? For we see clear evidence of humans long before 4004 BC.

That's because they stretch time out to make their theories fit.