Fleeing to Mars not of God

[partinobodycular]

That does not mean that helping improve life on earth is not something that God wants us to do.

Of course it is, and until Mr. Trump came along we were well on our way to doing that. The level of extreme poverty in the world has dropped dramatically since 1980. From well over 40% to less than 10%. How? By outsourcing production from the U.S. to the rest of the world. That's how you help the poor, by giving them jobs. Since 1980 the U.S's GDP has increased 10 fold, but China's has increased 100 fold. Do you realize how many people that that has pulled up out of poverty?

So the next time that somebody complains about rich corporations outsourcing jobs to Asia just remember that although we Americans may be a little bit poorer for it, a lot fewer people in the world are dying of starvation and disease because of it. Plus we get cheaper stuff in return.

If you really want to fight poverty... buy stuff made in China, or Vietnam, or India. How hard is that?

 

[trophy33]

The question is whatever 'success' is a good thing or bad thing in this case.

We will see.

We were commanded to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Not fill Mars.

No, we were not commanded anything like that. We are not Adam and Eve in the Genesis mythological narrative. Earth is actually overpopulated.

No. Why would I suck food from a tube and be cooped up in some smelly little space jail...

Stay on Earth then. It is on you, nobody is forcing you to move to Mars.

 

[stevevw]

Just like it represents gods beyond what we see on earth. By the way, I do not use the word 'we' when talking about the attempts to flee earth. I use 'they'. I see that the US is setting up a new space fleet that includes hundreds of attack satellites.

Yeah sorry, I meant as a society and culture in the general sense. I realise this is not the Christian worldview. But that its the over riding dominant worldview.

"“Golden Dome” missile defense system would reportedly consist of 400 to more than 1,000 satellites orbiting Earth, sensing missiles and tracking their movements. A separate fleet of 200 attack satellites would be tasked with bringing enemy missiles down with missiles or lasers, the sources added"

Musk’s SpaceX being considered to build Trump’s ‘Golden Dome’ - Washington Examiner

While announcing his "Golden Dome" missile defense plan, President Donald Trump said a missile attack is "the most catastrophic threat facing the United States."

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Thats a scary prospect. I mean its good to have a defense against attacks. We seen this with Isreals Iron Dome defense which took out 85% of Iranian missiles.

But this could be turned into attack missiles like you say. This is the result of peace with the gun. It is not the peace that Christ gives. As long as Christ is rejected then the world is heading for disaster one way or another. Whether thats enviornomental disasters or wars. So maybe thats why some of the elites realise this and are ensuring an escape to another planet. Mars being the closest.

But even so I think if we are heading for destruction then this will affect all of creation and Mars will not be safe either.

 

[Desk trauma]

I agree that Mars isn't gonna happen anytime soon, but if Elon could at least establish a base on the moon, and make near earth travel seem more mundane, then it seems to me that that would be the most reasonable first step.

A first step that Elon rejects insisting on mars first and only because reasons.

 

[truthpls]

Yes I agree. I am merely trying to explain how these alternative gods orspirits or beliefs have been around since the beginning when humans began to look tothe skies and Gods creation itself. Because Gods imprint in in His creation and we see Gods invisible qualities behind his creation.

So when humans rejected God from the fall they looked to other gods and spirits. Which as you say are really demons. Mars would have been prominent as a false god as it physically dominated the sky. So was the sun and moon and Venus of course. But Mars occupied a prominent place.

Still does today except now people see it as the extention of humankind. But really I think so we can wreck another planet through the expansion of greed and playing god. But Mars still represents that icon to humans and I think as modern society has moved away from God once again paganistic beliefs begin to resurface.

Its interesting that people are looking to the skies again with all these UAPs and the JWT. I think we will see a mission to Mars in the next 20 odd years.

OK Thanks. That brings to mind a few things. Funny how, as you pointed out, Mars was a god, Seeing how space is and is about to be weaponized it is also funny that Mars was the god of war.
While another poster pointed out that it does not seem likely Mars itself would be the location for firing weapons to earth, the Mars program itself could be useful. A lot can happen on the way there or back.

 

[truthpls]

Of course it is, and until Mr. Trump came along we were well on our way to doing that. The level of extreme poverty in the world has dropped dramatically since 1980. From well over 40% to less than 10%. How? By outsourcing production from the U.S. to the rest of the world. That's how you help the poor, by giving them jobs. Since 1980 the U.S's GDP has increased 10 fold, but China's has increased 100 fold. Do you realize how many people that that has pulled up out of poverty?

So the next time that somebody complains about rich corporations outsourcing jobs to Asia just remember that although we Americans may be a little bit poorer for it, a lot fewer people in the world are dying of starvation and disease because of it. Plus we get cheaper stuff in return.

If you really want to fight poverty... buy stuff made in China, or Vietnam, or India. How hard is that?

Funny how for some people just about everything comes down to Trump one way or another. Your idea that rich people should be forced against their will to share their wealth is interesting. I think it has been tried before (Stalin etc etc) So far it seems to have limited success, and also resulted in hundreds of millions being killed they say. Bottom line is that there is no answer for sinful man except Jesus who changes the hearts of men.
As for pinning it all on one leader like Trump, I don't think that really works. Remember the Vietnam war? That was before the trade tariff business. How about the Ukraine war? The million or whatever killed there was before the trade issues we see today.
The issue of space waste and fear fleeing is one issue in a long list. All of which have the same root cause and that is sin. One cannot isolate one issue like the race to space and excuse it by citing other items on that list. 'Oh, item 26c on the issues list is a real dozey, so why even talk about the waste in space?' Pointing out any major sin issue is just an exercise in learning how sin is the problem. Any other so called solution is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[truthpls]

We will see.


No, we were not commanded anything like that. We are not Adam and Eve in the Genesis mythological narrative. Earth is actually overpopulated.

I disagree. It is like a big house where 2 rich people have 4 of the six rooms and eat most of the food etc. They used to tell us man would starve several decades ago. Funny that as the need grew so did the ways to produce more food etc. God sends babies. If He sends them He can provide. If ever there actually were too many people, He is returning to make it all better anyhow at the precise right time. There will be peace and plenty for all and long life. Once again the issue is sin, and not trusting God. Not overpopulation etc.

Stay on Earth then. It is on you, nobody is forcing you to move to Mars.

The thread was not about the silly prospect I would or would want to go to to Mars.

 

[truthpls]

Yeah sorry, I meant as a society and culture in the general sense. I realise this is not the Christian worldview. But that its the over riding dominant worldview.

Naturally, people that do not either know or want the answer will look elsewhere for what they think might be the answer. In this case, fleeing the planet.

Thats a scary prospect. I mean its good to have a defense against attacks. We seen this with Isreals Iron Dome defense which took out 85% of Iranian missiles.

It is also funny that Israel and the US have used the weapons for 'defence' to bomb and kill people almost daily for many years now. How would weapons in space suddenly be pure and only for defence? It seems to me that 'defence' is just a useless word to dress up war and murder

But this could be turned into attack missiles like you say. This is the result of peace with the gun. It is not the peace that Christ gives. As long as Christ is rejected then the world is heading for disaster one way or another. Whether thats enviornomental disasters or wars. So maybe thats why some of the elites realise this and are ensuring an escape to another planet. Mars being the closest.

But even so I think if we are heading for destruction then this will affect all of creation and Mars will not be safe either.

I would not even blame it all on the 'elites' The heart of man is sinful. That is where wars come from. You are correct, there is no running from God or what is to come.

 

[partinobodycular]

Funny how for some people just about everything comes down to Trump one way or another. Your idea that rich people should be forced against their will to share their wealth is interesting. I think it has been tried before (Stalin etc etc) So far it seems to have limited success, and also resulted in hundreds of millions being killed they say. Bottom line is that there is no answer for sinful man except Jesus who changes the hearts of men.
As for pinning it all on one leader like Trump, I don't think that really works. Remember the Vietnam war? That was before the trade tariff business. How about the Ukraine war? The million or whatever killed there was before the trade issues we see today.
The issue of space waste and fear fleeing is one issue in a long list. All of which have the same root cause and that is sin. One cannot isolate one issue like the race to space and excuse it by citing other items on that list. 'Oh, item 26c on the issues list is a real dozey, so why even talk about the waste in space?' Pointing out any major sin issue is just an exercise in learning how sin is the problem. Any other so called solution is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Where did this rant come from?

The fact is that the world has been doing an absolutely fantastic job of reducing poverty, disease, and malnutrition for forty years now. So your mantra about how 'we should be doing more to help the needy' just doesn't hold up.

And yes, the only person attempting to stop this trend is Trump. But he's doomed to failure. Globalization is here to stay, with or without U.S. backing.

As for forcing the rich to share their wealth... duh. They're doing it of their own free will. By outsourcing jobs to countries with lower costs they're making more money, not less. The only thing that they're giving away is American jobs. Which Americans don't want to do anyway, unless you like the idea of working in call centers or factories. But if you hadn't noticed we're a service economy now. "Would you like fries with that"

Sorry to tell you this, but the world is getting to be a much nicer place, and space travel is just one benefit of that. Now your God can come along and stop us if He wants, but I sincerely doubt that that's going to happen, with all due respect to your infallible knowledge of the future.

 

[trophy33]

I disagree.

You can. But the resources of the planet are limited and our activity has already a disastrous impact on ecosystems. Real nature is just in few natural reservations, the rest are ugly dead crop fields, cities or roads. It is very hard to even find a meadow (it was not that hard just one generation ago).

Waters are poisoned, microplastics are everywhere, insects are basically non-existent now, masses of people migrate or will migrate from too hot and too dry areas...

 

[partinobodycular]

the rest are ugly dead crop fields, cities or roads. It is very hard to even find a meadow (it was not that hard just one generation ago).

I get the dead crop fields reference... there are miles and miles of lifeless cornfields right outside my back door. But thanks to liberals meadows are trying to make a comeback. Just across the road from me what used to be corn or soybeans is now Libby Prairie. Just natural habitat. On the whole I'm sure that we're still rapidly losing ground, but some of us are trying.

 

[truthpls]

Where did this rant come from?

The fact is that the world has been doing an absolutely fantastic job of reducing poverty, disease, and malnutrition for forty years now. So your mantra about how 'we should be doing more to help the needy' just doesn't hold up.

Looking at some stats, it seems that it is still very much a problem

"
1. The world produces enough food to feed all of its 8 billion people, yet 733 million people (1 in 11) go hungry every day.
2. Hunger rates in Africa are especially high, with 1 out of 5 people going hungry each day.
3. 2.8 billion people around the world cannot afford a healthy diet — 35% of the global population.
4. In low-income countries, 71.5% of people cannot afford a healthy diet. In high-income countries, that figure drops to 6.3%.
5. According to the 2024 Global Hunger Index, hunger levels are ranked Serious in 36 countries.
6. The 2024 Global Hunger Index also rates hunger levels as Alarming in 6 countries: Burundi, Chad, Madagascar, Somalia, South Sudan, and Yemen.
7. The number of people experiencing hunger has gone up by approximately 152 million since 2019.
8. As of this writing, the Integrated Food Phase Classification (IPC) estimates that 1.33 million people around the world are experiencing famine or famine-like conditions.
9. Half of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.
10. 9 million people die from hunger-related causes every year; many are children under the age of 5."

World hunger facts: What you need to know in 2024 (and 2025)

Here's what you need to know about world hunger in 2024 and 2025, including facts, figures, and progress to Zero Hunger.

www.concern.net

I don't think you can blame Trump for all of this?

And yes, the only person attempting to stop this trend is Trump. But he's doomed to failure. Globalization is here to stay, with or without U.S. backing.

You seem to have a grudge going on. You are correct, I would guess, that global government is in the future of the world. So the bible says. The head of it will be the vilest human that ever lived. He will make Trump look like a girl scout.

As for forcing the rich to share their wealth... duh. They're doing it of their own free will.

Ha. Sure.

By outsourcing jobs to countries with lower costs they're making more money, not less. The only thing that they're giving away is American jobs. Which Americans don't want to do anyway, unless you like the idea of working in call centers or factories. But if you hadn't noticed we're a service economy now. "Would you like fries with that"

So outsourcing jobs is the answer according to you. I don't agree. Jesus is the answer. One minute you complain of being is a service economy and the next you complain there is not enough outsourcing. Maybe get your story straight?

Sorry to tell you this, but the world is getting to be a much nicer place, and space travel is just one benefit of that.

Hilarious.

Now your God can come along and stop us if He wants, but I sincerely doubt that that's going to happen, with all due respect to your infallible knowledge of the future.

You can doubt all you like. It is certain. It is the future. It is something I look forward to. Real peace and real plenty for all the world and real eternal bodies and helping Jesus rule for believers. That will be the global government! The shabby imitation coming just before that will be full of death and deceit and suffering and starvation etc etc.

 

[truthpls]

You can. But the resources of the planet are limited and our activity has already a disastrous impact on ecosystems.

God is unlimited. Even now the problem is not limited resources but misuse due to sin

Real nature is just in few natural reservations, the rest are ugly dead crop fields, cities or roads. It is very hard to even find a meadow (it was not that hard just one generation ago).

Yet we can travel for miles without seeing anyone in some places. God's world is a great place, but sinful man wrecks it as much as he can. Good thing there is a limit and God will step in.

Waters are poisoned, microplastics are everywhere, insects are basically non-existent now, masses of people migrate or will migrate from too hot and too dry areas...

Sin manifestations

 

[partinobodycular]

1. The world produces enough food to feed all of its 8 billion people, yet 733 million people (1 in 11) go hungry every day.
2. Hunger rates in Africa are especially high, with 1 out of 5 people going hungry each day.
3. 2.8 billion people around the world cannot afford a healthy diet — 35% of the global population.
4. In low-income countries, 71.5% of people cannot afford a healthy diet. In high-income countries, that figure drops to 6.3%.
5. According to the 2024 Global Hunger Index, hunger levels are ranked Serious in 36 countries.
6. The 2024 Global Hunger Index also rates hunger levels as Alarming in 6 countries: Burundi, Chad, Madagascar, Somalia, South Sudan, and Yemen.
7. The number of people experiencing hunger has gone up by approximately 152 million since 2019.
8. As of this writing, the Integrated Food Phase Classification (IPC) estimates that 1.33 million people around the world are experiencing famine or famine-like conditions.
9. Half of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.
10. 9 million people die from hunger-related causes every year; many are children under the age of 5."

Exactly, I didn't say that the extreme poverty level was zero. But the idea that rich people aren't doing anything to help alleviate this situation simply isn't true. They do it both inadvertently and intentionally, with Bill Gates giving $100 billion to the cause himself, and Warren Buffet giving another $60 billion.

But the main source of financial aid is outsourcing. It's the billions of dollars in 'Trade Deficit' that Trump is specifically trying to get rid of. You want aid for the poor... there it is... and Trump is intentionally trying to squelch it. Along with every other form of aid.

It's not a bias, it's just facts, it's his stated intention. Get rid of USAID and eliminate trade deficits. The two ways that we have of helping the impoverished.

Real peace and real plenty for all the world and real eternal bodies and helping Jesus rule for believers.

Okay, you cling to your fantasies and I'll stick to reality. But after 2000 years you're not looking so good.

 

[partinobodycular]

One minute you complain of being is a service economy and the next you complain there is not enough outsourcing. Maybe get your story straight?

I wasn't complaining, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a service economy. It includes doctors, teachers, bankers, and lawyers. But from the garbage collector to the barista they're all honorable jobs.

And before you get all comfortable with your vision of the future maybe you should take a gander at what Isaac Newton thought about it.

 

[truthpls]

Exactly, I didn't say that the extreme poverty level was zero. But the idea that rich people aren't doing anything to help alleviate this situation simply isn't true.

Who said that? Not me. I am sure there are some crumbs given. How about this, let's take 100% of the money spent on space, and 100% of the military budgets of the world, and provide housing and food for all this week? Ha

They do it both inadvertently and intentionally, with Bill Gates giving $100 billion to the cause himself, and Warren Buffet giving another $60 billion.

'The cause'? The money goes to places like this
Melinda French Gates invests $1bn in women's rights (women 'right' i.e abortion)

International Planned Parenthood Federation Expands Programs With $1.7 Million Gift From Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

www.gatesfoundation.org

Phoebe Gates Shares Moment That Led Her to Start Donating Millions to Abortion Rights Groups

Phoebe Gates, the 21-year-old daughter of Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and philanthropist Melinda French Gates, is an outspoken champion of women's rights and plans to give millions to abortion right's groups this year.

people.com

Some of the charity work of billionaires is funding vaccines. As we know that can involve some things that may not be open and benevolent. Then there is the cause de jour of many billionaires, making lab grown meat.
"
In 2020 and the first half of 2021, investors poured more than $600 million into the space. Celebrity moguls Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Kimbal Musk, Sergey Brin, Peter Thiel, and John Mackey have all pitched in. And the gusher continues. In February, a started called Wildtype—intent on creating cell-based salmon—announced a $100 million infusion from investors including Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert Downey, Jr.


Maybe such deep-pocketed friends will float the industry long enough to work out the problems posed by replacing fetal bovine serum. In the meantime, the very real ecological and social catastrophes created by the mass production of livestock fester—and “slaughter-free” chicken specials in Singapore aren’t up to the task of slowing them down."

...Yet several obstacles hold back a new era of widely available animal-free burgers, nuggets, and carnitas. The biggest involves something much less appetizing than chicken dumplings: the blood of unborn cow fetuses, extracted from their mothers after slaughter.

...FBS sells for upward of $1,000 per liter—a major reason why, to break even on expenses, companies would have to sell their cultured meat for about $200,000 per pound, a 2020 analysis from University of California, Davis, researchers found. That’s why companies like the one conducting product demos in Singapore aren’t breaking even; they’re losing money.

The bloody secret behind lab-grown meat

Maybe we can't have our steak and eat it guilt-free, too.

www.motherjones.com

Of course we also know some vaccines involved fetal cells. Also a plethora of medicines

"Human fetal tissue and cells derived from fetal tissue are crucial for biomedical research. Fetal tissues and cells are used to study both normal development and developmental disorders. They are broadly applied in vaccine development and production. Further, research using cells from fetal tissue is instrumental for studying many infectious diseases, including a broad range of viruses. These widespread applications underscore the value of fetal tissue research and reflect an important point: cells derived from fetal tissues have capabilities that cells from other sources do not. In many cases, increased functionality of cells derived from fetal tissues arises from increased proliferative capacity, ability to survive in culture, and developmental potential that is attenuated in adult tissues. This review highlights important, representative applications of fetal tissue for science and medicine."

Human fetal tissue is critical for biomedical research - PMC

Human fetal tissue and cells derived from fetal tissue are crucial for biomedical research. Fetal tissues and cells are used to study both normal development and developmental disorders. They are broadly applied in vaccine development and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

All that to say that 'charity' can be a misused word as well

But the main source of financial aid is outsourcing. It's the billions of dollars in 'Trade Deficit' that Trump is specifically trying to get rid of. You want aid for the poor... there it is... and Trump is intentionally trying to squelch it. Along with every other form of aid.

Much of the aid was a joke if reports are true. As for the chief aid you talk about (closing down your own factories and laying off workers) I suspect that is debatable. But it is another issue, on on the long list of sin issues that have no possible answer by sin infested men.

It's not a bias, it's just facts, it's his stated intention. Get rid of USAID and eliminate trade deficits. The two ways that we have of helping the impoverished.

Are you suggesting that USAID was not a flimsy cover for many scams and bogus things? It does not look like it was an across the board honest operation from what I have read so far. Let's not hold that up as some Savior of mankind. (even if there were some good causes involved by some chance)

Okay, you cling to your fantasies and I'll stick to reality. But after 2000 years you're not looking so good.

The last few thousand years has been a demonstration that man failed horribly.

 

[truthpls]

I wasn't complaining, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a service economy. It includes doctors, teachers, bankers, and lawyers. But from the garbage collector to the barista they're all honorable jobs.

And before you get all comfortable with your vision of the future maybe you should take a gander at what Isaac Newton thought about it.

Perhaps many people prefer 'Honorable' jobs that paid closer to what they used to make?

 

[partinobodycular]

The last few thousand years has been a demonstration that man failed horribly.

And yet here you are complaining about our traveling to Mars... and you're defining that as failure. And someone like you will be saying exactly the same thing when we're heading to Alpha Centauri. 2000 years and your kind are still getting it wrong.

 

[partinobodycular]

Perhaps many people prefer 'Honorable' jobs that paid closer to what they used to make?

Ah, so it's all about the money for you... got it.

 

[truthpls]

And yet here you are complaining about our traveling to Mars... and you're defining that as failure.

I have yet to see anyone make a case here that shows it is a success.

And someone like you will be saying exactly the same thing when we're heading to Alpha Centauri. 2000 years and your kind are still getting it wrong.

Thank you for your prophesy about the glory and wonder and power of sinful men. I'll stick to the proven prophesy power of Scripture, though, thanks.