Fleeing to Mars not of God

[partinobodycular]

If were measure truth by Scripture

That's a deep, dark hole that you really don't want to go down.

 

[truthpls]

That's a deep, dark hole that you really don't want to go down.

No it is a basic fact of the universe.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No it is a basic fact of the universe.

I wouldn't go there if I were you...

 

[truthpls]

I wouldn't go there if I were you...

Go ahead, make my day

 

[Hans Blaster]

Go ahead, make my day

I know how much you enjoy argument by assertion.

 

[partinobodycular]

No it is a basic fact of the universe.

I wouldn't go there if I were you...

Go ahead, make my day

The sad truth is, you have an inability to face reality, and it has nothing to do with the accuracy of the bible or the existence of God, it has to do with your own fallibility.

YOU'RE NOT PERFECT!

The problem is that you're unwilling to accept that. But just like everybody else you make mistakes, and the bible can't change that no matter how infallible it is. In attempting to use it to measure truth, YOU'RE gonna mess it up... not the bible... YOU.

The only way around that is to do what you continuously do, delude yourself into believing that you're infallible.

Well guess what, everybody but you knows that you're not, and until you accept that anything that you have to say concerning the bible and truth, is simply going to be ignored. If you can't discern the truth about yourself, then why should we believe that you can discern the truth about the bible?

 

[truthpls]

I know how much you enjoy argument by assertion.

I thought it was you that said we should not 'go there' in regards to an argument that Scripture is the way to know right from wrong? I certainly assert that it is.

 

[truthpls]

The sad truth is, you have an inability to face reality,

If you knew what reality was we could talk

and it has nothing to do with the accuracy of the bible or the existence of God, it has to do with your own fallibility.

If people quote God's word, then it is not their opinion or opinion of their own opinion that we look at. We look at thee Scripture they lean on. What do you lean on?

YOU'RE NOT PERFECT!

Stating the obvious does not help your case or lack of one.

The problem is that you're unwilling to accept that. But just like everybody else you make mistakes, and the bible can't change that no matter how infallible it is. In attempting to use it to measure truth, YOU'RE gonna mess it up... not the bible... YOU.

Useless false words that you made up with no connection to reality.

The only way around that is to do what you continuously do, delude yourself into believing that you're infallible.

I never said that, as you and anyone who read several posts on the thread also knows.

Well guess what, everybody but you knows that you're not,

Except no one said I was, that is a strawman falsehood.

and until you accept that anything that you have to say concerning the bible and truth, is simply going to be ignored. If you can't discern the truth about yourself, then why should we believe that you can discern the truth about the bible?

So now you hold up the false hologram image you invented of what I am, and pretend that is some excuse to avoid the topic

 

[trophy33]

Having our faith grow is a result of God working. Space junk and waste and fearing doomsday on earth is something men do. No comparison

The kingdom of God is determined to spread and to grow. As it grew from Israel to Rome and from Rome to Europe and from Europe to all parts of the world, then there is no reason why it cannot spread from Earth to Mars and beyond.

The bible does not tell us to go there.

Bible was not written to us. People in those times did not even know what the lights in the sky are. They also did not tell us to go to America or to China. They did not know about these places.

Yes and also in the bible we know the heavens will roll up and vanish like a curtain one day. I would think that even if some people were in space at that time, He would return them to earth because people will not vanish. People continue to exist. The place where all will be judged is earth.

Even if we accepted your futurism (that Jesus did not come back in the generation of His disciples, as He promised and that the judgement was not the 1st century judgement), then the problem would still be that you are reading the Bible and the prophetical language too literally and in needlessly limiting way.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I thought it was you that said we should not 'go there' in regards to an argument that Scripture is the way to know right from wrong? I certainly assert that it is.

I care not about scriptures. I don't think you are equipped to discuss the basic nature of the Universe.

 

[truthpls]

The kingdom of God is determined to spread and to grow.

Yes, and He is destined to rule with us on earth. Exploring the universe and beyond will be easy in supernatural eternal bodies. That is when we do our exploring. Now is the time to be saved and help save mankind, not get lost in space.

Bible was not written to us.

It was written to us. You thought God was limited in His words to having them apply only to some generation is history! No. The bible even has many things written for those in the future.

People in those times did not even know what the lights in the sky are.

They know a lot better than modern science. They did not imagine the little lights came to exist by stellar evolution!

They also did not tell us to go to America or to China. They did not know about these places.

Yes Jesus said preach the gospel in all the world.

Even if we accepted your futurism (that Jesus did not come back in the generation of His disciples, as He promised

? We don't know when He will return

and that the judgement was not the 1st century judgement), then the problem would still be that you are reading the Bible and the prophetical language too literally and in needlessly limiting way.

The truth limits the lie. It does not limit me, thank you very much. On the contrary

 

[truthpls]

I care not about scriptures. I don't think you are equipped to discuss the basic nature of the Universe.

Yes, I know the nature. It was created. I even know it's future! All these things the poor so called scientists, who based their models on godless dreams thought they knew about the universe are wrong. Period

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, I know the nature. It was created. I even know it's future! All these things the poor so called scientists, who based their models on godless dreams thought they knew about the universe are wrong. Period

I guess you are not. You can't even approach the topic without insults.

 

[truthpls]

I guess you are not. You can't even approach the topic without insults.

Pointing out that a God absent, natural only approach to learning where it all came from and what it is really all about has zero chance of succeeding is not an insult. It is a fact. Now I admit that I would feel insulted if I learned that all I thought I knew was less than a joke as well. I am interested in the truth, not so much in worrying about the hurt feelings of false prophets and false science indoctrinees

 

[trophy33]

Yes, and He is destined to rule with us on earth. Exploring the universe and beyond will be easy in supernatural eternal bodies. That is when we do our exploring. Now is the time to be saved and help save mankind, not get lost in space.

Exploration has never been based on what is easy.

It was written to us. You thought God was limited in His words to having them apply only to some generation is history! No. The bible even has many things written for those in the future.

Bible was not written to us. And it is not composed of "His words", but of the words of humans. Even Jesus's words are just a translation to Greek and from Greek to your native language and composed from variant textual families.

Jesus said preach the gospel in all the world.

No, He said "go to the whole cosmos to preach this gospel to all the creation". According to the Greek text of Mark. Nothing in the text limits it.

? We don't know when He will return

Jesus clearly said that some of His disciples will be still alive in His return. Sorry. He was not speaking about our future, 2,000 years after. Which, again, leads to the fact that the Bible was not written to us.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Pointing out that a God absent, natural only approach to learning where it all came from and what it is really all about has zero chance of succeeding is not an insult. It is a fact. Now I admit that I would feel insulted if I learned that all I thought I knew was less than a joke as well. I am interested in the truth, not so much in worrying about the hurt feelings of false prophets and false science indoctrinees

And yet you persist to insult further. Referring to my profession as "so called" was apparently just the start. I'm not sure what use any response to you would be at this point.

 

[truthpls]

Exploration has never been based on what is easy.

Exploration is not a god so much as something to do if we have time and money. The package deal of space 'exploration' includes womd (whether or not they now are in space) pollution, military satellites needed in a world war, massive amounts of money that could be spent on mankind, millions of objects cluttering the space above earth, and unrelenting fearmongering about a doomsday coming that does not involve God. etc

Bible was not written to us. And it is not composed of "His words",

False. It is the word of God as Jesus proved and confirmed. It is not wise to call Jesus a liar.

but of the words of humans. Even Jesus's words are just a translation to Greek and from Greek to your native language and composed from variant textual families.

He promised to send His words from heaven actually, and to do so in a way we get it right. You do not speak truth.

No, He said "go to the whole cosmos to preach this gospel to all the creation". According to the Greek text of Mark. Nothing in the text limits it.

The context is the world. While the word also could be used for more than the planet the context cannot be. All men were on the world that we were sent to preach to. None on Mars. None in stars. Jerusalem, all Judea, and the uttermost parts of the world

Looking up the word earth in the verse I did not see any reference to the universe either
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth
Strong's Lexicon
gé: Earth, land, ground, soil
Original Word: γῆ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: gé
Pronunciation: gay
Phonetic Spelling: (ghay)
Definition: Earth, land, ground, soil
Meaning: the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region.

Jesus clearly said that some of His disciples will be still alive in His return. Sorry. He was not speaking about our future, 2,000 years after. Which, again, leads to the fact that the Bible was not written to us.

Yes and also that He would take them into the air over earth. He also said He was coming back to earth, to the area of the Mt of Olives. Not Mars.

 

[truthpls]

And yet you persist to insult further. Referring to my profession as "so called" was apparently just the start. I'm not sure what use any response to you would be at this point.

I pointed out that the approach of science using only the natural cannot yield true results about origins. If you happen to work in a branch of science that promotes that lie, then don't whine to me about it, thanks.

 

[trophy33]

Exploration is not a god so much as something to do if we have time and money. The package deal of space 'exploration' includes womd (whether or not they now are in space) pollution, military satellites needed in a world war, massive amounts of money that could be spent on mankind, millions of objects cluttering the space above earth, and unrelenting fearmongering about a doomsday coming that does not involve God. etc

Space exploration can have many possible and many valid reasons for many different people. As any exploration in the human history.

False. It is the word of God as Jesus proved and confirmed. It is not wise to call Jesus a liar.

Bible was not written by God.

He promised to send His words from heaven actually, and to do so in a way we get it right. You do not speak truth.

Hard to say what you are even talking about, here.

The context is the world. While the word also could be used for more than the planet the context cannot be. All men were on the world that we were sent to preach to. None on Mars. None in stars. Jerusalem, all Judea, and the uttermost parts of the world

If you want to play with the context, then it was said only to his direct disciples/apostles and only about the known world, which was basically the Roman empire.

If you want to apply it to our modern situation, then our own context would need to apply.

Looking up the word earth in the verse I did not see any reference to the universe either
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth
Strong's Lexicon
gé: Earth, land, ground, soil
Original Word: γῆ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: gé
Pronunciation: gay
Phonetic Spelling: (ghay)
Definition: Earth, land, ground, soil
Meaning: the earth, soil, land, region, country, inhabitants of a region.

Acts 1:8 was about apostles. Yes, the apostles could not go to Mars. They could not even to go Americas or to Japan. It does not mean that we are limited by their limitations.

Yes and also that He would take them into the air over earth. He also said He was coming back to earth, to the area of the Mt of Olives. Not Mars.

Nobody claims that Jesus returned to Mars. The judgement was over Jerusalem and the surroundings.

 

[truthpls]

Space exploration can have many possible and many valid reasons for many different people. As any exploration in the human history.

Can it though? The evidence so far is that it has some bad fruits as mentioned a few posts ago.

Bible was not written by God.

The Bible was written by God (using men)

If you want to play with the context, then it was said only to his direct disciples/apostles and only about the known world, which was basically the Roman empire.

It was said to them and applies to all. That does not mean we can insert Mars into the verse.

If you want to apply it to our modern situation, then our own context would need to apply.

Our context is a fallen sinful world that is the enemy of God. That does not mean He wants us to spread it everywhere.

Acts 1:8 was about apostles. Yes, the apostles could not go to Mars. They could not even to go Americas or to Japan. It does not mean that we are limited by their limitations.

No preaching the gospel was not just for apostles or that time. Obviously

Nobody claims that Jesus returned to Mars. The judgement was over Jerusalem and the surroundings.

Well, why try to go to Mars if He is coming here and the whole heavens we know is slated to go away anyhow?