Fleeing to Mars not of God

[Hans Blaster]

I pointed out that the approach of science using only the natural cannot yield true results about origins. If you happen to work in a branch of science that promotes that lie, then don't whine to me about it, thanks.

Three in a row. Get lost.

 

[truthpls]

Three in a row. Get lost.

The fact that God overrules science/man is not negotiable.

 

[partinobodycular]

Wasting trillions trying to avoid the fate of man on earth is in my opinion a waste and not of God at all.

Elon estimates that the annual cost for settling Mars will be $25 Billion. USAID, the department that Trump just eliminated had a budget of $27 Billion for 2025. So I assume that you're up in arms about that too. Or is all that whining about helping the needy just a pretext for complaining about someone offending your precious God?

 

[Desk trauma]

Elon estimates

Are as fictional as his timelines. He was promising a mars mission by 2018, it just keeps getting pushed forever out as the dates arrive.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Elon estimates that the annual cost for settling Mars will be $25 Billion. USAID, the department that Trump just eliminated had a budget of $27 Billion for 2025. So I assume that you're up in arms about that too. Or is all that whining about helping the needy just a pretext for complaining about someone offending your precious God?

Elon ain't got that kind of money and the US gov't isn't going to fund that either. Not under the current "]GOP/MAGA "trifecta" and not in some future US budgetary environment where the Dems are setting the policy.

 

[truthpls]

Elon estimates that the annual cost for settling Mars will be $25 Billion. USAID, the department that Trump just eliminated had a budget of $27 Billion for 2025. So I assume that you're up in arms about that too. Or is all that whining about helping the needy just a pretext for complaining about someone offending your precious God?

Yes there are many example of the rich ignoring the poor. What is your point, that if there is another big waste the cancels it out unless we point all wastes out at once??

 

[partinobodycular]

Are as fictional as his timelines. He was promising a mars mission by 2018, it just keeps getting pushed forever out as the dates arrive.

Elon ain't got that kind of money and the US gov't isn't going to fund that either. Not under the current "]GOP/MAGA "trifecta" and not in some future US budgetary environment where the Dems are setting the policy.

I agree that Mars isn't gonna happen anytime soon, but if Elon could at least establish a base on the moon, and make near earth travel seem more mundane, then it seems to me that that would be the most reasonable first step. Not that I can think of any need for a lunar base either, but at least it's conceivable, and there's always the prestige of being the first nation to establish a permanent base on the moon. The same thing that got us to the moon in the first place, only this time it's the U.S. vs China.

 

[partinobodycular]

Yes there are many example of the rich ignoring the poor. What is your point,

The point is that what Elon is 'wasting' trying to get to Mars is actually trivial compared to how much people waste on other things, and it's not just the rich, it's you too. People spend way, way more on their pets than they do on the needy.

Just what do you think that we should be spending that money on instead? When you start looking at the numbers what Elon is spending trying to get to Mars really can't do very much. And to classify it as wasted indicates a lack of understand about how the economy actually works.

 

[trophy33]

Can it though? The evidence so far is that it has some bad fruits as mentioned a few posts ago.

Yes, it can.

The Bible was written by God (using men)

Meaning it was not written by God.

It was said to them and applies to all. That does not mean we can insert Mars into the verse.

You can either work with the original context or go wild with your fantasy. I do not think you can do something in the middle like you are doing ("it is said to us, but only meaning what I want").

Our context is a fallen sinful world that is the enemy of God. That does not mean He wants us to spread it everywhere.

Jesus Christ came and brought the kingdom of God. It spreads everywhere where we go.

No preaching the gospel was not just for apostles or that time. Obviously

In that case their physical geolocal limitations do not apply to us, either.

Well, why try to go to Mars if He is coming here and the whole heavens we know is slated to go away anyhow?

It is like asking why to go to Canada when he is coming to Jerusalem.

 

[truthpls]

The point is that what Elon is 'wasting' trying to get to Mars is actually trivial compared to how much people waste on other things, and it's not just the rich, it's you too. People spend way, way more on their pets than they do on the needy.

It is not just Musk. There are other billionaires as well. Nasa is also edging closer to that vision. Have a look at the billions they spend every year!
Annual budget of NASA

There are many manifestations of sin in the world, and the chicken little brigade quest is of course not the only one. But it is worth realizing that this fear based Space Odyssey is not a holy quest to the stars.

Just what do you think that we should be spending that money on instead?

Let's see, if we averaged Nasa's budget for many years it would be about what, say, 20 billion a year? Add to that the other countries spending and the billionaire club. There are many things that would benefit mankind with that sort of loot. Housing, food, supporting missionaries, etc etc

When you start looking at the numbers what Elon is spending trying to get to Mars really can't do very much. And to classify it as wasted indicates a lack of understand about how the economy actually works.

It does not matter how 'the economy' works. There is good and bad. Right and wrong and the economy can just adjust itself accordingly.

 

[truthpls]

Yes, it can.

No. Sin infested mankind may not have the universe, sorry. The sin problem is terminal and must be dealt with first. God may allow some few in space, but they cannot stay there, they are brought to earth to face judgment like everyone else. The space effort is just another sin pimple.

Meaning it was not written by God.

Yes every word comes from God. It does not matter if some was written by His finger and some spoken directly by Him on earth, and some brought to people's memory by Jesus from Heaven, and some inspired by holy men of old...etc etc. He piped it down. God is the Author.

You can either work with the original context or go wild with your fantasy. I do not think you can do something in the middle like you are doing ("it is said to us, but only meaning what I want").

We need not be limited by a dim comprehension and lack of spiritual depth about how the bible does apply to all of us. Also, that earth is the place He returns to and from where all are judged. Any piddling in space by sinful men will be in vain, no matter how many trillions they pour down the toilet..

Jesus Christ came and brought the kingdom of God. It spreads everywhere where we go.

Only when we are saved. Otherwise all they spread is grime and filth and waste and sin. And they will not be allowed to spread that very far or for very long.

In that case their physical geolocal limitations do not apply to us, either.

Sinful mankind has real limitations. After He returns, space travel will be a breeze

It is like asking why to go to Canada when he is coming to Jerusalem.

No, preaching the gospel to all the world is a good thing. Spreading sin through the solar system is a bad thing.

 

[trophy33]

No. Sin infested mankind may not have the universe, sorry. The sin problem is terminal and must be dealt with first. God may allow some few in space, but they cannot stay there

Our opinions actually do not matter. Either we will be successful in colonizing other planets or we will not be. The time will tell. Like the first explorers on fragile wooden sailboats did not know whether they can live on the other side of the ocean.

Yes every word comes from God. It does not matter if some was written by His finger and some spoken directly by Him on earth, and some brought to people's memory by Jesus from Heaven, and some inspired by holy men of old...etc etc. He piped it down. God is the Author.

Nope, this does not reflect reality. We do not have any text that is reliable in every word. Your bible is a result of many hundreds of scholars who selects the words from many possible variants.

Only when we are saved. Otherwise all they spread is grime and filth and waste and sin. And they will not be allowed to spread that very far or for very long.

Be saved, then.

No, preaching the gospel to all the world is a good thing. Spreading sin through the solar system is a bad thing.

Travel to Mars to preach then, instead of spreading sin there. It is on you.

 

[partinobodycular]

It does not matter how 'the economy' works.

Of course it does. You seem to think that the reason that we don't do enough to feed the hungry and house the homeless is because we don't have enough money. That's not the reason at all. The reason is that we just don't care enough. Remember those nifty Covid relief checks. Somehow the U.S. Government managed to come up with $814 billion just by waving it's fiscal magic wand. Or how about Ukraine? How about a hundred billion for them.

It's not that the money isn't there, it's just that the majority of Americans don't want to waste it on poor people. Which is perfectly understandable considering how much money has been wasted on them already, and yet they're still there, and your all-knowing book tells us that they always will be.

It amazes me how you can rant against 'sin infested mankind' and yet still believe that we could fix the world's problems simply by throwing more money at them. It ain't about the money.

 

[stevevw]

I think society has had a facination with Mars for 1,000's of years. Its the closest planet to earth. Even in prehistory Mars would have been a sight often seen and pondered over. We know that these prehistory cultures looked to the skies and that was their gods, the stars and planets.

We also see this in the Greco Roman beliefs where gods and dieties based on Mars were prominent. Even being the States official religion.

So I can see how Mars has always been a focus of gods and then some sort of life beyond earth which is transcedent to what is happening on earth and the limits people percieve to its existence. But also to the survival of humankind itself. Which is related to the gods in that its about life beyond our experience of earth.

In Classical Roman religion, Mars was invoked under several titles, and the first Roman emperor Augustus thoroughly integrated Mars into Imperial cult. The 4th-century Latin historian Ammianus Marcellinus treats Mars as one of several classical Roman deities who remained "cultic realities" up to his own time.[95]

Mars (mythology) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[truthpls]

Our opinions actually do not matter. Either we will be successful in colonizing other planets or we will not be.

The question is whatever 'success' is a good thing or bad thing in this case.

The time will tell. Like the first explorers on fragile wooden sailboats did not know whether they can live on the other side of the ocean.

We were commanded to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Not fill Mars.

Nope, this does not reflect reality. We do not have any text that is reliable in every word.

Jesus said that it was great. That'll do er

Your bible is a result of many hundreds of scholars who selects the words from many possible variants.

No, it is the result of the spirit of God working and getting a book to mankind. Don't miss the forest for the trees

Be saved, then.

Thank you. That changes everything. Zooming around in some doomsday panic in a rocket changes nothing for the better

Travel to Mars to preach then, instead of spreading sin there. It is on you.

No. Why would I suck food from a tube and be cooped up in some smelly little space jail with other sinners on a long expensive journey to some wasteland planet? I would think that the people that need preaching the gospel to would not be those fleeing God and earth, so much as those who are on the planet and may not have chosen yet.

 

[truthpls]

Of course it does. You seem to think that the reason that we don't do enough to feed the hungry and house the homeless is because we don't have enough money.

No, it is the misuse of what we do have!

That's not the reason at all. The reason is that we just don't care enough.

Sin

Remember those nifty Covid relief checks. Somehow the U.S. Government managed to come up with $814 billion just by waving it's fiscal magic wand. Or how about Ukraine? How about a hundred billion for them.

To do what with, kill people?

It's not that the money isn't there, it's just that the majority of Americans don't want to waste it on poor people.

Sin

Which is perfectly understandable considering how much money has been wasted on them already, and yet they're still there, and your all-knowing book tells us that they always will be.

That sounds callous

It amazes me how you can rant against 'sin infested mankind' and yet still believe that we could fix the world's problems simply by throwing more money at them. It ain't about the money.

No, you cannot fix hearts save people with money. That does not mean that helping improve life on earth is not something that God wants us to do. Did space travel help end wars? No. It provided another place to wage war!

 

[truthpls]

I think society has had a facination with Mars for 1,000's of years. Its the closest planet to earth. Even in prehistory Mars would have been a sight often seen and pondered over. We know that these prehistory cultures looked to the skies and that was their gods, the stars and planets.

We also see this in the Greco Roman beliefs where gods and dieties based on Mars were prominent. Even being the States official religion.

So I can see how Mars has always been a focus of gods and then some sort of life beyond earth which is transcedent to what is happening on earth and the limits people percieve to its existence. But also to the survival of humankind itself. Which is related to the gods in that its about life beyond our experience of earth.

Another word for the gods associated with Mars is demons. There is nothing transcendent to earth, because earth is where mankind was placed by God and it is here He is coming to live and rule forever. Even the Almighty is going to descend to earth! There is not other way to transcend earth then by His power. Sinful man is going in his own power. Big difference.

 

[stevevw]

I was also thinking about a couple of famous songs of the early 70s David Bowies 'Life on Mars' and Elton Johns 'Rocket man' which the the line says "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids in fact, it's cold as hell".

I think after we landed on the moon attention went to Mars as a possibility. We also had the 'War of the Worlds' radio show with Orsen Wells which was basicially about an attack from Martians on earth lol.

So Mars is very iconic to us and can represent culture and beliefs beyond what we see on earth.

 

[truthpls]

I was also thinking about a couple of famous songs of the early 70s David Bowies 'Life on Mars' and Elton Johns 'Rocket man' which the the line says "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids in fact, it's cold as hell".

I think after we landed on the moon attention went to Mars as a possibility. We also had the 'War of the Worlds' radio show with Orsen Wells which was basicially about an attack from Martians on earth lol.

So Mars is very iconic to us and can represent culture and beliefs beyond what we see on earth.

Just like it represents gods beyond what we see on earth. By the way, I do not use the word 'we' when talking about the attempts to flee earth. I use 'they'. I see that the US is setting up a new space fleet that includes hundreds of attack satellites.

"“Golden Dome” missile defense system would reportedly consist of 400 to more than 1,000 satellites orbiting Earth, sensing missiles and tracking their movements. A separate fleet of 200 attack satellites would be tasked with bringing enemy missiles down with missiles or lasers, the sources added"

Musk’s SpaceX being considered to build Trump’s ‘Golden Dome’ - Washington Examiner

While announcing his "Golden Dome" missile defense plan, President Donald Trump said a missile attack is "the most catastrophic threat facing the United States."

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[stevevw]

Another word for the gods associated with Mars is demons. There is nothing transcendent to earth, because earth is where mankind was placed by God and it is here He is coming to live and rule forever. Even the Almighty is going to descend to earth! There is not other way to transcend earth then by His power. Sinful man is going in his own power. Big difference.

Yes I agree. I am merely trying to explain how these alternative gods orspirits or beliefs have been around since the beginning when humans began to look tothe skies and Gods creation itself. Because Gods imprint in in His creation and we see Gods invisible qualities behind his creation.

So when humans rejected God from the fall they looked to other gods and spirits. Which as you say are really demons. Mars would have been prominent as a false god as it physically dominated the sky. So was the sun and moon and Venus of course. But Mars occupied a prominent place.

Still does today except now people see it as the extention of humankind. But really I think so we can wreck another planet through the expansion of greed and playing god. But Mars still represents that icon to humans and I think as modern society has moved away from God once again paganistic beliefs begin to resurface.

Its interesting that people are looking to the skies again with all these UAPs and the JWT. I think we will see a mission to Mars in the next 20 odd years.