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Fleeing to Mars not of God

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Why not? If God came from the heaven of heavens to this heaven over earth, in what way would the starship or whatever we want to call it not be celestial?
"Celestial body" is the term used for the natural objects out in space whether they are in the Solar System (asteroids, planets, moons, comets, the Sun) or outside the Solar System (galaxies, nebulae, stars). "Starships" are no celestial objects. They are hypothesized alien space craft. Are you now claiming that the "star" Matthew writes of is actually a UFO?
If anything in the gospels was not true they would have spoken up big time. The contrary is true
Any disciple of Jesus would have been dead by the time the gospels were written, especially John.
One man in the bible had a better attitude about that. He said
“I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” Mk 9:24

Not a better idea. Worse, much worse.

Do you get regularly scammed? You seem willing to believe anything and think "doubt" is bad.
 
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"Celestial body" is the term used for the natural objects out in space whether they are in the Solar System (asteroids, planets, moons, comets, the Sun) or outside the Solar System (galaxies, nebulae, stars). "Starships" are no celestial objects. They are hypothesized alien space craft. Are you now claiming that the "star" Matthew writes of is actually a UFO?
Yes, probably in my opinion, just like Eze.

4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.


5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.


6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.


7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.


8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.


9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.


10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.


11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.


12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.


13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.


14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.


15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.


16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.


17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.


18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.


19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.


20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.


21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.


22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.


23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.


24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.


25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.


26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.


27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.


28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

So God has wheels!


That would have been considered a star if seen at a distance. It also could move! What better and fitting thing could there be than God overseeing the birth of His Son in His Sapphire mobile throne?
Any disciple of Jesus would have been dead by the time the gospels were written, especially John.
John was the youngest disciple so could have been in his early teens. He wrote his last book, they say probably in his 90ies.

" John likely wrote 1 John from Ephesus, where apparently he had relocated near the time of the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans in A.D. 70."

If he was say, 14 when he met Jesus, add three years for the time of His ministry on earth, that means maybe age 17 when He died. The letter he wrote is dated about 70 AD. That means that he was not dead when it was written.
Not a better idea. Worse, much worse.

Do you get regularly scammed? You seem willing to believe anything and think "doubt" is bad.
We are told not to believe everyone, every spirit. We know the truth, and have the advantage of automatically dismissing anything or anyone's words that does not confess Jesus as the Christ. WE know the difference. Those who merely doubt for no particular reason know only confusion.
 
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How do you know you mom wasn't?
She could have been. Would be odd because my dad was a homozygotic twin and I look very much like my cousins.
 
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As a Christian I believe that she, as a virgin, conceived and gave birth to Christ.
Which is consistent with the rare but possible parthogenic chimera hypothesis (not that I am claiming it’s correct- just an option).
 
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Not when evolution is stated as the reason we are here
It isn't though. Only religious people or the uneducated say that. Abiogenesis is what says that life came from none life.
 
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Which is consistent with the rare but possible parthogenic chimera hypothesis (not that I am claiming it’s correct- just an option).

You are free to propose anything you want or put any wacky spin on my religious beliefs you want. I'm just saying that Horus wasn't, according to the story, born of a virgin, but was conceived because his mother, Isis, had sex with his father, Osiris.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Not when evolution is stated as the reason we are here rather than just some aspect of life of created beings.

The reason why I'm here is:

1) God made me
2) I'm the product of my parents reproducing
3) Millions of years of evolution

All three of these statements are true.

No, the Christian response is to believe God created us and the heavens and the earth. Adapting, evolving, healing, eating, reproducing etc etc are just things that happen with created life.

Of course God created us, and all things. And we also are the result of millions of years of evolution. These are both true statements.

The earth is a little over 6000 years old. Evolution does happen. So what? It is not why we are here. Cart, meet horse

No, the earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. We know this because we, quite literally, can read the age of rocks by studying radioactive decay. No Christian is obligated to believe the opinion of Bishop Ussher. Christians are beholden to the authority of Scripture, not 17th century Englishmen. Scripture does not say that the earth is 6,000 years old.

No, The mere fact that adapting and evolving goes on does not mean we need to toss out Genesis or God or choose to not deal with realty.

I'm certainly not tossing out God or Genesis. God is the Creator of all things, and Genesis is divinely inspired and true.

Me either, just the fables that falsely are called science.

Biological evolution isn't a fable, it is an observable and demonstrable phenomenon that has been going on for hundreds of millions of years and is backed up by mountains of irrefutable evidence.

Part of the practice is believing God and Scripture and comprehending that the wisdom of man is foolishness compared to Him.

I believe God and Scripture, your particular personal opinions about the age of the earth are not authoritative for the Christian Church.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Which part of the Bible says hundreds witnessed the birth of Jesus?
As far as we know from the bible. only Mary and Joseph would have witnessed the actual birth. He had already been born when the shepherds arrived, and He was up to 2 years old by the time the wise men got there, which is why Herod ordered the slaughter of all baby boys 2 years old and under in an around Bethlehem:

“Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.” (Mt 2:16 NKJV)
 
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Yes, probably in my opinion, just like Eze.

4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.


5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.


6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.


7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.


8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.


9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.


10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.


11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.


12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.


13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.


14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.


15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.


16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.


17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.


18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.


19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.


20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.


21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.


22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.


23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.


24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.


25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.


26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.


27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.


28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

So God has wheels!


That would have been considered a star if seen at a distance. It also could move! What better and fitting thing could there be than God overseeing the birth of His Son in His Sapphire mobile throne?

John was the youngest disciple so could have been in his early teens. He wrote his last book, they say probably in his 90ies.

" John likely wrote 1 John from Ephesus, where apparently he had relocated near the time of the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans in A.D. 70."

If he was say, 14 when he met Jesus, add three years for the time of His ministry on earth, that means maybe age 17 when He died. The letter he wrote is dated about 70 AD. That means that he was not dead when it was written.

We are told not to believe everyone, every spirit. We know the truth, and have the advantage of automatically dismissing anything or anyone's words that does not confess Jesus as the Christ. WE know the difference. Those who merely doubt for no particular reason know only confusion.
Pages of bible quotes. Don't care.
 
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Which part of the Bible says hundreds witnessed the birth of Jesus?
Not the birth, His risen body. Although some people suggest that there could have been dozens of wise men. Add the shepherds. The crew and relatives at Bethlehem Inn. Etc. Then there was God Almighty in attendance looking on and the angels! I suspect there were trillions! :) I have heard it suggested as well that in heaven, time travel will be no obstacle, so I may even get over to see it!
 
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It isn't though.
Yes it is. Where did man come from? Darwin suggested some sort of proverbial pond. It is talked about how man's ancestors crawled out of the sea etc. The origin of the 'species' (mankind) is absolutely claimed to be something other than created.
Only religious people or the uneducated say that.
Anyone with half a clue knows that actually
Abiogenesis is what says that life came from none life.
Abiogenesis is the twisted cousin of evolution, that was ferried in to take the brunt of laughter and heat for something that is obviously made up. It is no wonder to me that die hard evolution disciples take great pains to separate their theory from this
 
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Yes it is. Where did man come from? Darwin suggested some sort of proverbial pond. It is talked about how man's ancestors crawled out of the sea etc. The origin of the 'species' (mankind) is absolutely claimed to be something other than created.
Darwin said no such thing. Darwin demonstrated that humans came from earlier apes.
Anyone with half a clue knows that actually

Abiogenesis is the twisted cousin of evolution, that was ferried in to take the brunt of laughter and heat for something that is obviously made up. It is no wonder to me that die hard evolution disciples take great pains to separate their theory from this
No. Abiogenesis (or origin of life research) is the serious study of the emergence of proto-life from pre-biotic chemistry. It is separate because it is a branch of chemistry, not of biology as evolution is.
 
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The reason why I'm here is:

1) God made me
2) I'm the product of my parents reproducing
3) Millions of years of evolution

All three of these statements are true.
You do not get to declare something true by tacking it on to a few other statements that are true
Of course God created us, and all things.
Yet you credit millions of years of evolution. That means you are claiming that Jesus referred to a false book, Genesis, and also was wrong about Scripture being from God. Never the twain shall meet
And we also are the result of millions of years of evolution. These are both true statements.
God created man and then made him sleep and took a bone from him from which He made woman. That is true. Your so called true statement is directly opposite and opposed to that. Both cannot be true.
No, the earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old.
No. The earth is approximately 6000 years old.
We know this because we, quite literally, can read the age of rocks by studying radioactive decay.
We know that the reading of rocks is wrong and based on belief and insultingly has no accommodation for the original creation and ratios.
No Christian is obligated to believe the opinion of Bishop Ussher.
He researched and made an educated guess. If you were claiming Noah actually lived a few hundred years earlier or later, then that would be one thing. You are totally rejecting the lineage and times people in Scripture lived though. Totally waving them away and replacing it with millions of years.
Christians are beholden to the authority of Scripture, not 17th century Englishmen. Scripture does not say that the earth is 6,000 years old.
We actually do know about when Abraham lived. Noah and Abraham were alive at the same time for awhile. We know the generations from Adam to Noah. Your millions of years does not fit in any way, shape or form.
I'm certainly not tossing out God or Genesis.
Yet you cannot believe God made a woman from a man's bone, correct? Evolution does not have that possibility in it. If so, I would say you have rejected Scripture.
God is the Creator of all things, and Genesis is divinely inspired and true.
Glib little slogan that is diametrically opposed to your stated actual beliefs so far.
Biological evolution isn't a fable, it is an observable and demonstrable phenomenon
Great, so is having babies, sleeping, breathing, etc. God created us a certain way and things happen.
that has been going on for hundreds of millions of years and is backed up by mountains of irrefutable evidence.
Nothing has been going on before God first created it all.
I believe God and Scripture,
Which Scripture, keep us posted on which verse we do not need to disrespect and reject as stories etc?
your particular personal opinions about the age of the earth are not authoritative for the Christian Church.

-CryptoLutheran
Yours are not from Scripture whatsoever and are totally against His word.
 
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Darwin said no such thing. Darwin demonstrated that humans came from earlier apes.
No one demonstrated any such foolish thing actually. Doing things like mislabelling some old ape skull, or man's skull is proving nothing.
No. Abiogenesis (or origin of life research) is the serious study of the emergence of proto-life from pre-biotic chemistry.
Except it is less than a joke. The foolish, and slippery wild speculation of God deniers
It is separate because it is a branch of chemistry, not of biology as evolution is.
You can give whatever reasons you like for why they play the shuffle game with it. 'Oh, don't blame us, the early parts of the made up fables and stories about a godless origin are the responsibility of the other field of science, not ours'
 
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No one demonstrated any such foolish thing actually. Doing things like mislabelling some old ape skull, or man's skull is proving nothing.

Except it is less than a joke. The foolish, and slippery wild speculation of God deniers

You can give whatever reasons you like for why they play the shuffle game with it. 'Oh, don't blame us, the early parts of the made up fables and stories about a godless origin are the responsibility of the other field of science, not ours'
Asserting things does not make them true.
 
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Asserting things does not make them true.
Or false. Every tub has to stand on it's own legs. Not sure why some have been trying to slip evolution into a discussion about the efforts of man to flee doomsday on earth.
 
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Or false. Every tub has to stand on it's own legs. Not sure why some have been trying to slip evolution into a discussion about the efforts of man to flee doomsday on earth.
That would be you -- as part of your defamatory claim that scientists worship the things they study.
 
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That would be you -- as part of your defamatory claim that scientists worship the things they study.
All men who put things first above God worship them. Science is not exempt from this. They must wear it.
 
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