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Flawed Logic of Gay Christians

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...BTW -- an indulgence is " is the full or partial remission of temporal punishment due for sins which have already been forgiven." Just fyi. Is there something wrong with the "remission of temporal punishment"?

Nope. But there is something wrong with the church charging money for it. And even more wrong when the church charges money for it in advance of the sin! [I'll pay this fee, and then I can go sleep with Jane Doe]

P.S. - You didnt address the new concepts of sinless Mary and infallible pope that took over 1,800 years after the birth of Christ for the church to "realize" and make part of "tradition".
 
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LOL...
I don't know why "Christians" are arguing FOR homosexuality. Like...just get over it...God despises homosexuality. Done deal...
But that's just it, isn't it: some Christians think God considers homosexuality / homosexual sex to be an abomination. Some don't. Some are undecided. If it were as clear cut as you make it out to be, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It's also against the rules to accuse a self-professed Christian of being non-Christian. This is effecively what you are doing: labelling any and all self-professed Christians as non-Christians if they are pro-gay.

I mean...I haven't always been a Christian, and it was EXTREAMLY hard to come to terms with a "loving God" detesting anything...but honestly, people...Some things in the bible are very blunt. This is one of them.
Again, this isn't as clear-cut as you make out. It's pretty standard practice to research the opposition's side before you lambaste it.
 
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That's what happens when separately fallible men fallibly interpret infallible Scripture.
Indeed. But that doesn't tell us who, if any, has got the right interpretation. Are you the fallible one? Is the pro-gay Christian got the fallacious one? By what objective measure do we determine which interpretation of which translation of which instance of the Bible is the correctly interpreted, translated, and compiled Bible?
 
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Polyamorous. I have more than one long term partner whom I'm deeply in love with.

Like any relationships we have ups and downs, but its worked so far.


I know...

I was making a joke.

Honestly, I think I just need to quit trying to make jokes in DoH.

:sorry:
 
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Indeed. But that doesn't tell us who, if any, has got the right interpretation. Are you the fallible one? Is the pro-gay Christian got the fallacious one? By what objective measure do we determine which interpretation of which translation of which instance of the Bible is the correctly interpreted, translated, and compiled Bible?

Well, the Catholic answer is by the Tradition preserved through the history of the Church. The millions of Christians who have testified to the same God throughout the centuries before us, and of course with a nudge here and there by the Holy Spirit, help guide us to not only the correct interpretation, translation, and compilation of the Bible, but to all of God's "Word". And hey -- the Church helped shape the Bible in use today. That should score some brownie points in the interpretation and compilation departments. :)

Am I fallible? Certainly. But I am not the Church, nor is any one man.
 
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Remember though that the Church allowed slavery, the oppression of dissent, tried to stifle science when it disagreed with the aristotaleian or ptolomaic model of the universe and continues to oppress women. Simply because it is old does not make it infallible.
 
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Well, the Catholic answer is by the Tradition preserved through the history of the Church. The millions of Christians who have testified to the same God throughout the centuries before us, and of course with a nudge here and there by the Holy Spirit, help guide us to not only the correct interpretation, translation, and compilation of the Bible, but to all of God's "Word". And hey -- the Church helped shape the Bible in use today. That should score some brownie points in the interpretation and compilation departments. :)
That would hold some weight if Christianity had remained one cohesive church over these past two millennia. But, over time, we have seen schism after schism, sect after sect, form and divide. If God is nudging us in the right direction, why do splinter groups keep forming? Indeed, why not poof the true Bible into our laps? Sometimes I think the Muslims got the right idea ^_^.

Am I fallible? Certainly. But I am not the Church, nor is any one man.
I find that a group of people, especially large, international, for-profit organisations, are more fallible than any one man. After all, can any one man falter so hard as a government, or a nation? The mistakes of one man affect only those around him, but the mistakes of Christianity have global repercussions.
 
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