Flawed Logic of Gay Christians

[CreedIsChrist]

Oh dear, equating consensual homosexuality with unconsensual sex once more. Pedophilia and Beastiality dont rely on informed consent and quite frankly the more I see an individual as a pretty unpleasent person to dare equate consensual relationships with unconsensual sex, its pretty much the most unchristian thing EVER to do. But thanks, it further convinces me im in the right.

are you really in a position to claim what is christian and UNchristian when you yourself support things contrary to the bible?

sorry just found that one sentence a little hypocritical. You just supported incest and polygamy, and you are proceeding to tell the OP what is UNchristian?

 

[AmericanCatholic]

I know exactly what it is. "Its a sin and disordered because it isn't natural." None of that statement is based on medical fact.

That is not "exactly what it is". The following is the Catholic position:

"Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.


2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection."

The Catholic position is very clear. Homosexual acts, just like any other sexual act outside of marriage, are sins. Homosexual orientation is something different altogether, which the medical community clearly accepts as well, and that is considered a disorder insofar it is different from the natural state in state in which we were designed. That conclusion is based on the same scientific evidence available to everyone, and while it may differ from some mainstream scientific opinions, it is by no means any less viable because the scientific community has yet to come to a full understanding of the issue in order to finalize a scientific opinion.

 

[catlover]

I don't believe that oppresion of women was ever intentional, merely an unintended byproduct of elevating pre-contraceptive, blood line obsessed social rules to the position of "God ordained morality".

And I'm a Catholic.

It's most certainly about keeping women in their place....

 

[AmericanCatholic]

It's most certainly about keeping women in their place....

On what basis do you make that claim?

 

[xlanna]

When God says something is an abomination it doesn't make much sense to defend it, does it?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[xlanna]

Apples, oranges.

Homosexuality is an orientation.

Alcoholism is a disease.

Alcoholism is a spirit. I refuse to believe that my father somehow managed to attain a "disease" to shut me up and justify it. I know I'm going to get blasted for this...but I'm standing firm in saying that I do not believe alcoholism, homosexuality, etc... are of God, and that I'm not judging the people, or refusing to love on them...but I truly think it's the enemy. Sorry.

 

[KCKID]

Alcoholism is a spirit. I refuse to believe that my father somehow managed to attain a "disease" to shut me up and justify it. I know I'm going to get blasted for this...but I'm standing firm in saying that I do not believe alcoholism, homosexuality, etc... are of God, and that I'm not judging the people, or refusing to love on them...but I truly think it's the enemy. Sorry.

It hardly matters what you 'think', xlanna. And, I'm sick and tired of people attributing homosexuality to something demonic. That is SO falling under the spell of religious hokum and superstition and lacks any scientific value whatsoever. If you still harbor bitterness toward your father for whatever 'scars' he left you with then so be it. Seek therapy if you need to. But please don't apply your own bitterness and your own over-emotional state of mind to issues such as the one we're discussing on this subforum.

PEOPLE - fellow human beings - are under discussion here, xlanna. Please don't forget that.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Alcoholism is a spirit. I refuse to believe that my father somehow managed to attain a "disease" to shut me up and justify it. I know I'm going to get blasted for this...but I'm standing firm in saying that I do not believe alcoholism, homosexuality, etc... are of God, and that I'm not judging the people, or refusing to love on them...but I truly think it's the enemy. Sorry.

Never say your sorry for being correct.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

It hardly matters what you 'think', xlanna. And, I'm sick and tired of people attributing homosexuality to something demonic.

So, it only matters what gay supporters think? So much for tolerance and diversity.

That is SO falling under the spell of religious hokum and superstition and lacks any scientific value whatsoever.

Science and the demonic? In sceince male to female is the only "kind" of sex there can be for our species. Anything else something esle.

If you still harbor bitterness toward your father for whatever 'scars' he left you with then so be it. Seek therapy if you need to.

Or seek a pastor. Therapists will only lead to modern day mythology.

But please don't apply your own bitterness and your own over-emotional state of mind to issues such as the one we're discussing on this subforum.

An over emotional state would be evident in a statement like "That is SO falling under the spell . . ." That's like so "whatevvvverrrrr."

PEOPLE - fellow human beings - are under discussion here, xlanna. Please don't forget that.

Human beings whether under the influence of demons or not, have been responsible for the greatest evils on this planet.

Deception and deceptive lifestyles and behaviors are present in the evil person. Sometimes blatantly, and sometimes hidden behind nice sounding agendas. But once exposed, especially in Christian life, they are always supporting deviance.

deviance - a state or condition markedly different from the norm aberrance, aberrancy, aberration
abnormalcy, abnormality - an abnormal physical condition resulting from defective genes or developmental deficiencies

chromosomal aberration, chromosomal anomaly, chromosonal disorder, chrosomal abnormality - any change in the normal structure or number of chromosomes; often results in physical or mental abnormalities

deflection, warp - a twist or aberration; especially a perverse or abnormal way of judging or acting
2.deviance - deviate behavior deviation
irregularity, abnormality - behavior that breaches the rule or etiquette or custom or morality


deviate (verb)
forms: deviated; deviated; deviating
cause to turn away from a previous or expected course