FLAT or ROUND Earth?

Lost4words · Sep 16, 2023

One could say, that satan has infiltrated many to grossly misinterpret God's word to say what it doesnt say. To say the earth is flat when it is not etc....

As i have stated above, God gave us knowledge. He has given us science. He has opened up His creation to be explored.

The earth is not flat. We can see that CLEARLY. Those that believe otherwise have been duped. They have been led in the wrong direction. They have taken scripture and moulded it into something it is not. Extracting from it pure fantasy and untruths.

Look around you! See God's creation. See that all stars and planets are spheres. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the earth is a flat planet!!!

God's word needs careful and proper interpretation. It needs respect. It is NOT a science book! It DOESNT explain His creation in detail. For that, God gave us the ability to seek knowledge with Him, deep in our hearts, guiding us.

Be aware of false prophets!

Those that preach the earth is flat are doing so not through the guidance of God!

BeyondET · Sep 16, 2023

Lost4words said:
One could say, that satan has infiltrated many to grossly misinterpret God's word to say what it doesnt say. To say the earth is flat when it is not etc....

As i have stated above, God gave us knowledge. He has given us science. He has opened up His creation to be explored.

The earth is not flat. We can see that CLEARLY. Those that believe otherwise have been duped. They have been led in the wrong direction. They have taken scripture and moulded it into something it is not. Extracting from it pure fantasy and untruths.

Look around you! See God's creation. See that all stars and planets are spheres. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the earth is a flat planet!!!

God's word needs careful and proper interpretation. It needs respect. It is NOT a science book! It DOESNT explain His creation in detail. For that, God gave us the ability to seek knowledge with Him, deep in our hearts, guiding us.

Be aware of false prophets!

Those that preach the earth is flat are doing so not through the guidance of God!

In the constellation Hercules there's a planet called WASP-103b’s. It is so close to its host star its in the shape of a rugby ball, egg shaped. The star's gravitational tidal pull is extreme on the planet..

d taylor · Sep 16, 2023

BeyondET said:
And you used computer science to convey your thoughts hmm are they deceptions? Is metaphorisis, regeneration, stem cells full of information of species something God created?

Caterpillar to a butterfly is fast tracked evolution.

In the cocoon the Caterpillar is completely dissolved in a imaginary disc and a stem cell that holds the blueprint of a butterfly is activated and the soup is restructured to the new species. Which passes on actual memories as well stored in a stem cell. Direction to and from continents during migration over multiple generations.

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What does computer science have to do with science trying to convince people their version of God's creation is the true one and not the one described in The Bible.

A caterpillar/butterfly functions exactly the same way, that it did on the day God created it in Genesis 1

BeyondET · Sep 16, 2023

d taylor said:
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A caterpillar/butterfly functions exactly the same way, that it did on the day God created it in Genesis 1

Indeed God created things to evolve

BeyondET · Sep 16, 2023

Aaron112 said:
No.

Then you have never been born from a ball of soup and a tadpole.

BeyondET · Sep 16, 2023

Aaron112 said:
Correct,
although realize - I Never said I was.

Your wrong if you think you haven't

Lost4words · Sep 16, 2023

We are created in the image of God. We have not evolved but, thats for a new thread!

JSRG · Sep 16, 2023

Aaron112 said:
If you lived over 500 years ago,
everyone who you knew and grew up with
and all of their parents and grandparents and great great great grandparents
may well all have "KNOWN' the earth is stationary and flat (one does not require the other btw) ...
Some man came up with the world is round,
just like some man came up with the world is moving,
and neither one was popular , and maybe neither one was right ---

If you lived 500 years ago in Christian Europe, everyone you knew and grew up with, and all of their parents and grandparents and great great great grandparents, would have known the Earth was round--at least that would have been the case if you were educated, it's harder to figure out what the common person believed.

For example, Thomas Aquinas (highly influential 13th century theologian, thereby nearly 800 years ago and fulfilling the requirements not only of over 500 years ago, but the "great great great grandparents" too) simply took the Earth's shape as round for granted in his work Summa Theologiae. In a section where he's arguing that habits are distinguished by their objects, he posits the following as a possible argument against his position:

"Further, different sciences are different habits. But the same scientific truth belongs to different sciences: thus both the physicist and the astronomer prove the earth to be round, as stated in Phys. ii, text. 17. Therefore habits are not distinguished by their objects."

To which he responds:

"The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e.g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e.g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the center, and so forth. Now the whole force of a demonstration, which is "a syllogism producing science," as stated in Poster. i, text. 5, depends on the mean. And consequently various means are as so many active principles, in respect of which the habits of science are distinguished."

I expect very few people nowadays particularly care about the question of whether habits are distinguished by their objects (or would even understand what the question is asking), but the point here isn't that, but rather that he not only considered the Earth to be round, but he considered it so beyond dispute that he used it as an example of how multiple branches of science can prove the same thing.

JSRG · Sep 16, 2023

Aaron112 said:
Do you mean like how so much in so many fields say , in error, that cannser is difficult to cure ? (and in truth the way it is today so expensive, although unnecessarily so)

I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here. Your assertion is that people in various fields say that cancer is difficult to cure, but that according to you this is in error. Even if we accept that claim as true, how does it relate? Perhaps your insinuation is that if these fields are supposedly wrong in regards to cancer, they might've been wrong in regards to the shape of the Earth. The problem is, even if that is your argument, it doesn't matter. You put forward the claim that people back then thought the Earth was flat. But even if people back in the days of Thomas Aquinas were wrong about the Earth being round, the fact remains that they thought the Earth was round.

d taylor · Sep 16, 2023

BeyondET said:
Indeed God created things to evolve

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No God created certain creations to be brought about by a specific process. Like how a chicken comes from and egg a butterfly comes from a caterpillar.

d taylor · Sep 16, 2023

Lost4words said:
We are created in the image of God. We have not evolved but, thats for a new thread!

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Wait evolution is science, so you cannot turn your back on science, believe the science.

BeyondET · Sep 16, 2023

d taylor said:
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No God created certain creations to be brought about by a specific process. Like how a chicken comes from and egg a butterfly comes from a caterpillar.

Yes stored information in stem cells, even memories can be stored in a stem cell for the next generation. Humans come from an egg as well.

Lost4words · Sep 17, 2023

d taylor said:
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Wait evolution is science, so you cannot turn your back on science, believe the science.

That comment just goes to show how confused you are my friend.

d taylor · Sep 17, 2023

Lost4words said:
That comment just goes to show how confused you are my friend.

#602
As i have stated above, God gave us knowledge. He has given us science. He has opened up His creation to be explored.

So which is it God has given us science or God has given us The Bible about His creation. Because they do not agree.

Lost4words · Sep 17, 2023

d taylor said:
#602
As i have stated above, God gave us knowledge. He has given us science. He has opened up His creation to be explored.

So which is it God has given us science or God has given us The Bible about His creation. Because they do not agree.

Thats where you are totally wrong. There are many Christian scientists.

Your problem is that the grossly misinterpret God's word to say that the earth is flat and that the moon has its own light source!!

Saber Truth Tiger · Sep 17, 2023

JSRG said:
I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here. Your assertion is that people in various fields say that cancer is difficult to cure, but that according to you this is in error. Even if we accept that claim as true, how does it relate? Perhaps your insinuation is that if these fields are supposedly wrong in regards to cancer, they might've been wrong in regards to the shape of the Earth. The problem is, even if that is your argument, it doesn't matter.

I agree.

JSRG said:
You put forward the claim that people back then thought the Earth was flat. But even if people back in the days of Thomas Aquinas were wrong about the Earth being round, the fact remains that they thought the Earth was round.

The ancients believed the earth was round, and flat. They referred to it as a circle. A circle is a round plane figure. What the educated man in Medieval times did believe was the earth was a sphere. The ancient Greek and Babylon astronomers knew already the earth was a sphere in the fourth century BCE. By the time the middle ages arrived the better educated in Europe knew the earth was a sphere. The common man, who was not as well educated, believed the earth was a flat circle, and the sky was a canopy, or vault, that was spread over the circular earth like a tent, a dome shaped tent. Yes, you are correct that people in the times of Thomas Aquinas and during the Middle Ages believed the earth was round. And the better educated over the centuries has known the earth is a sphere. The common, uneducated man in the Middle Ages believed one could literally fall off the end of the earth if they journeyed too far from land.

d taylor · Sep 17, 2023

DerbyHist2 said:
God gave us both and revealed this to us in the 13th Century when He commissioned His servants in France to create the illuminated Bible called Bible Moralisee Codex 2554 or "Vienna 2554", outstanding Gothic art, covering the Book of Genesis to IV Kings; the author remains unknown. My interpretation of the picture called "God the Geometer/Architect/Builder/Craftsman", placed as a Religious Frontispiece to the Bible is that God has instructed the original scholar to place it at the front in order to show the Medieval World that Science is just as important as Religion, and is used to lead Europe in a New Direction of Exploration and Discovery and Missionary work, such as that carried out by Christopher Columbus, Copernicus, Galileo, alongside the Jesuits, to name but a few, working side by side with the Capetian Dynasty of Europe and the Catholic Church to take both Science and Religion out from the European Cathedrals - the Centre - to the Periphery - the four corners of the World - and to circumnavigate the four points of the Compass round the Circumference of Earth - and establish the New World and a new world order, based on Biblical principles, as illuminated by the Bible Moralisee and taught to Medieval Europe.

My interpretation is backed up in part by the expert Gerald B. Guest of John Carroll University, Ohio, USA, is that God the Son is creating the Cosmos using Geometry as illustrated by the fact that He is leaning over and looking down at the Earth and holding a large pair of compasses, one arm He has placed in the exact Centre of the Earth/Cosmos and the other arm on the exact Periphery of the Earth/Cosmos in order to demonstrate, among other things we are to learn both through scientific experiment and study of the Bible Moralisee, that there is a relationship between the Centre - where God's power originates - and the Periphery/Circumference of Earth, the outer limits, to where God's power travels in a straight line following God's ordained direction of travel from Left (the Centre) to Right (the Periphery) and then round in a clockwise motion from the East to the South (6 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time or 6 a.m. GMT), then to the West at 9 a.m. GMT) and up to the North (12 p.m. GMT or mid-day), then travel round the Circumference again for another 12 hours; thus establishing that there are 4 points or positions where God could place His pair of compasses, but two points in the Frontispiece to act as the Beginning of a new approach to understanding the World.

I hope this helps and makes sense.

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Science when it ventures into God's creation and stating this and that about God's creation. They only offer up lies as nothing they state lines up with the creation given in The Bible.

d taylor · Sep 17, 2023

Aaron112 said:
God allows science, and other scholarly devices, to deceive the whole world.

God reveals truth to babies, and hides it from the educated.

Well it goes along with satan being ruler of this age, the only truth that can be known, out of this dark time of satan, comes in and from The Bible.

d taylor · Sep 17, 2023

Aaron112 said:
Truth about stationary earth was once widespread as far as I know , and nasa apparently proved it a few times but 'buried' it ...
(that's not at all necessarily related to any flat earth info then or now) ...

Truth about health is possible also, perfectly in line with all that is written in Scripture -
yet believers are sometimes the last to find out, at least potentially.
The deceptions by and about the siknes industry is pervasive even in churches of most all kinds.

Well the flat earth would also be a stationary earth. As there is no outer space in a flat earth model. Where according to science everything exist moving and rotating, etc..

But the flat earth is a stationary earth resting on water with a dome over the earth or better stated over the creation, separating the waters. With the sun, moon and stars placed in the dome (raqia). With the sun, moon and stars as the objects moving in the dome.

d taylor · Sep 19, 2023

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Here is an example where sky is used to translate the Greek word ouranos.

He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times.

And this verse, heaven is used to translate the same word ouranos

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

So it is plain to see that heaven or sky is the same place and not only the same place. But is where the stars (and sun, moon) are located and where God placed them, when He created them.

In God's creation, there is simply no outer space where the sun, moon and stars are located. The sun, moon and stars are located in the sky above the earth and not in outer space millions and billions miles/light years away

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