Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

And now answer as to why your own observation contradicts flat earth..and explain it logically.

As usual, it's down to perspective.

 

[David Lamb]

As usual, it's down to perspective.


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But, as your illustration shows, perspective causes things to look smaller the further away they are. The question you were asked by Phil G was why does the sun appear to be large at sunrise and sunset than it does at midday? You stated yourself earlier in the thread that you have observed this phenomenon. The sun is further away from the observer at sunrise/sunset than it is at midday, so perspective should make it look smaller at those times, like the plane, the cloud and the bus in your picture.

 

[Phil G]

As usual, it's down to perspective.


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That is not a logical answer. As usual you avoid the implications of what you say. And it’s the opposite of flat earth theory!

So you’re saying, at sunset, instead of the sun getting smaller until it no longer can be seen (which is flat earth theory 101), because of perspective it doesn’t get smaller at all, it gets bigger.

And at sunrise, instead of the sun appearing on the horizon and growing bigger from a point of light until it is at its largest at noon (again that’s flat earth theory 101), except, because of perspective it doesn’t. It suddenly appears as large as it can be on the horizon and then grows smaller as it gets closer to you!!!!

What sort of logic is that???

And the diagram you posted explains nothing about what I have asked you. It claims the opposite of what you yourself have observed!

No wonder science and maths are gobbledygook to you!!!

So I’ll give you another opportunity to explain your own observation, which logically contradicts flat earth…..

 

[prodromos]

Flat Earth and the tides prove the earth is not spinning​

https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=WUR8YGMK74Y3

You haven't even watched the video.

 

[trophy33]

Come on! What is being recorded in Matthew 14:15 is the fact that the disciples said the words, "This is a desert place," etc.) What is recorded in Ezekiel 1 is a vision given to Ezekiel by God:

“1 ¶ Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I [was] among the captives by the River Chebar, that the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God. 2 On the fifth day of the month, which was in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity, 3 the word of the LORD came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was upon him there.” (Eze 1:1-3 NKJV)

The vision(s) are described as being the word of the Lord to Ezekiel.

Come on! We are talking about this post of yours:

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"But God hasn't said that. He said

“The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.” (Eze 1:22 NKJV)
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Eze 1:22 is not God saying it. It is a description of Ezekiel. The whole chapter Ez 1 is written from the perspective of Ezekiel - "I saw, I heard" etc. God begins to speak in Ezekiel chapter 2.

 

[Apple Sky]

You haven't even watched the video.

Yes I did.

 

[Apple Sky]

Eze 1:22 is not God saying it. It is a description of Ezekiel. The whole chapter Ez 1 is written from the perspective of Ezekiel - "I saw, I heard" etc.

And why shouldn't we believe Ezekiel ? All scripture is inspired by God.

 

[trophy33]

That is not a logical answer. As usual you avoid the implications of what you say. And it’s the opposite of flat earth theory!

So you’re saying, at sunset, instead of the sun getting smaller until it no longer can be seen (which is flat earth theory 101), because of perspective it doesn’t get smaller at all, it gets bigger.

And at sunrise, instead of the sun appearing on the horizon and growing bigger from a point of light until it is at its largest at noon (again that’s flat earth theory 101), except, because of perspective it doesn’t. It suddenly appears as large as it can be on the horizon and then grows smaller as it gets closer to you!!!!

What sort of logic is that???

And the diagram you posted explains nothing about what I have asked you. It claims the opposite of what you yourself have observed!

No wonder science and maths are gobbledygook to you!!!

So I’ll give you another opportunity to explain your own observation, which logically contradicts flat earth…..

I noticed several times that when she is cornered with something like this, her memory or cognition stops working. It is some kind of self-defense mechanism, I guess. She may be even not aware of it. We do not know what mental problems she has.

 

[trophy33]

And why shouldn't we believe Ezekiel ? All scripture is inspired by God.

When poor Paul said that (his words are being so misused constantly!), your Bible did not exist. And I am pretty sure he never saw your version of Ezekiel.

 

[Phil G]

I noticed several times that when she is cornered with something like this, her memory or cognition stops working. It is some kind of self-defense mechanism, I guess. She may be even not aware of it. We do not know what mental problems she has.

What I see is a symptom of mind control/mind programming. She can’t answer logically, so she reverts to something she thinks applies, something she’s heard along the way but doesn’t really understand. In this case “perspective” explains a change in size of sun and moon.

But what she doesn’t seem to grasp is that it is an explanation which opposes her own observation. But it’s the only answer she has within her programmed mind that refers to apparent changing sizes of sun and moon, so she runs with it….and falls “flat” on her face in doing so!

And now she’ll just keep diverting away from really grappling with why what she saw is the opposite of flat earth theory.

It’s either that or she really is just winding us up to get attention. I can see no other explanation for her logically erroneous answers.

So @Apple Sky you still need to explain rationally, logically, why the sun and moon appear BIGGER on the horizon than they do at noon, according to your own observation. Because “perspective” could only cause them to appear smaller on the horizon than at noon.

 

[trophy33]

I can see no other explanation for her logically erroneous answers.

Mental health issues, cognitive disabilities, low IQ...

Without knowing her personally, it can be anything.

 

[Apple Sky]

In this case “perspective” explains a change in size of sun and moon.

It is , I see this all the time with the moon.

It’s either that or she really is just winding us up to get attention. I can see no other explanation for her logically erroneous answers.

What is this ? You can't win the argument so you resort to insults ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Sorry - but he did.

No need to apologise for your mistake.
You need to learn about the Bible.

 

[Phil G]

It is , I see this all the time with the moon.



What is this ? You can't win the argument so you resort to insults ?

Why can you not understand that perspective would make the sun and moon appear smaller on the horizon, not bigger?

As for personal insults, I’m trying to figure out why you don’t see the very obvious contradiction of what you have observed and what perspective causes. It’s as if you are deliberately ignoring it.

This is going to turn into a long and tiresome grind to try to get you see how contradictory your claims are.

At least engage with the problem of the contradiction of your own observation and flat earth claims.

 

[trophy33]

Well I won’t go down the road of diagnosing her.

Just giving you what other options are there.

 

[Apple Sky]

Why can you not understand that perspective would make the sun and moon appear smaller on the horizon, not bigger?

Not when they are rising, I've watched the moon as it rises, the more it rises the smaller it gets, I watched the moon many times & this is what I see happening every time.

 

[Phil G]

Not when they are rising, I've watched the moon as it rises, the more it rises the smaller it gets, I watched the moon many times & this is what I see happening every time.

You’re trying to argue against something I am not disputing. I’m not arguing that it is what you’ve seen. I’ve seen it too. But that is the opposite of flat earth theory and the claim of perspective. Flat earth theory is that when the sun or moon rises, they are far away, which would make them appear much smaller than if they are high in the sky. Then they come closer so causing them to grow in apparent size, not get smaller. Thats what your posted diagram is illustrating

So please explain why you have observed the opposite of this. It’s not because of perspective as that would make them appear smaller on the horizon. Whether the sun/moon are setting or rising shouldn’t make any difference. They would still be similar distances from the observer either way and appear smaller on the horizon than if they are high in the sky,

 

[Apple Sky]

Thats what your posted diagram is illustrating

My diagram is aimed at the vanishing point when we see the sun vanish & why, not the size.

 

[Strong in Him]

What is this ? You can't win the argument so you resort to insults ?

It's not an insult; it's a possible explanation for why you keep making the same statements/posting the same things that supposedly "prove" flat earth, being told that they don't and why they don't, ignoring the answer or changing the subject, and a few pages later posting the same things again and asking questions that have already been answered.

The words, "yes, I can see that I was wrong", would indicate humility.
The words, "sorry, I'm not very scientific, could you explain that again?" would indicate a desire to learn.
The words, "oh, your Bible uses that word, mine uses this. I wonder what the authors were saying, especially in the light of these verses ....?" would indicate a desire to learn from, and about, the Bible.
You don't use any of those. Your arguments are, "yes, it is/no it isn't," "that's not what I SEE - (therefore it doesn't happen.)" "God says ......." (when in fact he says nothing of the kind. And if all else fails, "lies, fake."

This is mad, but I have wondered in the past if maybe you are studying for a degree in Psychology or something. And in a few months time you will produce a brilliant thesis on the psychology of manipulation, or how you managed to get complete strangers to argue with you when you were talking nonsense.
It's either that, OR you are winding us up OR you know perfectly well that we may be telling the truth, but you're not going to admit it. Partly because you don't want your beliefs to be shattered, and maybe because your health isn't great, this is the only interaction you get with Christians, or people in general - which would be sad.

 

[Phil G]

My diagram is aimed at the vanishing point when we see the sun vanish & why, not the size.

No you’re still not getting it. For starters that just proves you were not addressing the question that I asked you which was about size, not vanishing point.

But even so, in order to “vanish” the sun would have to get smaller and smaller as it approaches the horizon before it vanishes. It can’t just suddenly vanish while it’s still full size! That would cause sudden darkness, there would be no dusk. And as you have said before it should be possible to zoom it back in again if the earth is flat. But that would mean it hasn’t vanished, just gotten so small that it can’t be seen.

In order for it to reappear in the morning, it would have to start as a point of light gradually getting bigger until noon, when it would be at its biggest, and then begin to get smaller again, until it reaches its “vanishing point” again.

But this is not what you have observed. You (and I) have observed the sun being bigger at sunrise and being at its smallest at noon.

It completely contradicts flat earth, perspective and vanishing point.

Now explain it please.