Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[prodromos]

Your name-calling really exemplifies maturity.

It's pretty clear what the creator of that video exemplifies. Interesting that you haven't responded to anything else in my post. I guess there isn't anything you can say.

 

[Jipsah]

Your name-calling really exemplifies maturity.

Believing the earth is flat is the matooer position, right? <ROFL>

 

[Paul4JC]

It's pretty clear what the creator of that video exemplifies. Interesting that you haven't responded to anything else in my post. I guess there isn't anything you can say.

I'm responding to the indirect flaming you and others use.

Believing the earth is flat is the matooer position, right? <ROFL>

You enjoy throwing insults. Very Christ-like, right?

 

[prodromos]

I'm responding to the indirect flaming you and others use.

Would you like me to link to examples from your flat earth brethren? I've never seen you criticise them for such posts.

You enjoy throwing insults. Very Christ-like, right?

I don't enjoy it, and I admit I have yet to cultivate Christ's level of patience for stupidity.

Now if I had posted a video that was immediately shown to be completely and utterly false in its claims, I would feel obligated as a Christian to apologise for posting something which made obviously false claims. Do you not feel that way?

 

[Jipsah]

I'm responding to the indirect flaming you and others use.

You enjoy throwing insults. Very Christ-like, right?

Ah, I do so love sanctimonious posturing.

 

[contratodo]

That doesn’t address my point at all, which is the demonstrable fact that airliners now travel between Africa, South America and Australia and NZ directly.

Which non stop flights are you talking about?

From Johanesburg South Africa to Santiago Chile there are no non stop flights.

It makes no sense at all that there would not be a non stop flight between those two places if the map they show us is accurate.

The routes given make sense on a flat earth map.

 

[prodromos]

Which non stop flights are you talking about?

• Qantas QF64 - Airbus 380 - Johannesburg to Sydney 11 hours 55 minutes 11044km
• Qantas QF63 - Airbus 380 - Sydney to Johannesburg 14 hours 20 minutes 11044km
• Qantas QF27 - Boeing 787 - Sydney to Santiago 12 hours 40 minutes 11363km
• Qantas QF28 - Boeing 787 - Santiago to Sydney 14 hours 30 minutes 11363km
• Latam LA8058 - Boeing 787 - Sao Paulo to Johannesburg 8 hours 45 minutes 7452km
• Latam LA8059 - Boeing 787 - Johannesburg to Sao Paulo 10 hours 10 minutes 7452km
• Latam LA8205 - Airbus 321 - Sao Paulo to Santiago 3 hours 52 minutes 2617km
• Latam LA8204 - Airbus 321 - Santiago to Sao Paulo 4 hours 15 minutes 2617km

Airbus 321 max speed 904km/h
Airbus 380 max speed 945 km/h
Boeing 787 max speed 902 km/h

Great Circle Map

Great Circle Map displays the shortest route between airports and calculates the distance. It draws geodesic flight paths on top of Google maps, so you can create your own route map.

www.greatcirclemap.com

From Johanesburg South Africa to Santiago Chile there are no non stop flights.

But there is from Sao Paulo to Johannesburg

It makes no sense at all that there would not be a non stop flight between those two places if the map they show us is accurate.

Please explain your reasoning behind this statement, seeing as people can still fly non stop between the continents.

The routes given make sense on a flat earth map.

What flat earth map would that be? It must be one I've never seen before.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This should be interesting guys , this fella is taking a group to Antarctica to prove one way or the other that the earth is either round or flat , and you can go with him if you want. Have to pay your own way though.

His conversation with Carl is here and you only need to watch the first 15 or 20 mins.

I personally am not into this stuff but I will be looking forward to seeing their results in a few months time.
The flat earth conversations and debates are everywhere these days , so this final experiment should prove very interesting.

The final experiment web site :

The Final Experiment - Antarctica

It’ll never work because these people don’t believe the earth is flat to begin with. It’s a waste of time.

 

[imsaneru]

It’ll never work because these people don’t believe the earth is flat to begin with. It’s a waste of time.

The results won't be in untill next year anyway , but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I'm not a flat earther but I thought that this experiment might interest both camps. And i'm a bit like you , maybe both camps will duck and weave on the results , just have to wait and see.....

 

[The Liturgist]

From Johanesburg South Africa to Santiago Chile there are no non stop flights.

Qantas is planning on launching the Santiago-Jo’burg route in a few months time, but in the interim as @prodromos pointed out, you can fly to Sao Paulo, and then to Santiago, and then to Sydney, and then to Jo’burg, making a complete circle of the Southern Hemipshere in a timeframe that would work only on a globular Earth.

But there is from Sao Paulo to Johannesburg

Exactly, it’s an absurd nitpick.

It makes no sense at all that there would not be a non stop flight between those two places if the map they show us is accurate.

You mean the 2D projections like the Mercator? These are inaccurate. To understand airline routes and the “Great Circle Route: (which is actually a straight line, but on a 2D map it looks circular), you need to view them on a globe.

The routes given make sense on a flat earth map.

No they don’t, because the overwater travel times would be much longer than those that we have, and the aircraft in question lack the range to even fly for such a duration. We’re talking travel times on the order of Burt Rutan’s Voyager or the Pan Am China Clipper. Absolutely impossible for a modern jet.

The longest airline routes are the London-Sydney and London-Melbourne routes which involve refueling stops in places such as Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok, which is a minimum of 21 hours, or on Emirates via Dubai, and the London-Los Angeles-Auckland route, which is a minimum of 23 hours, and the longest non-stop flight i am aware of is the Singapore Airlines SIN-JFK service, which was linitially launched with the Airbus A340-500 and later reintroduced with the A350.

 

[The Liturgist]

I'm responding to the indirect flaming you and others use.

You enjoy throwing insults. Very Christ-like, right?

I don’t recall insulting anyone in this thread.

I do feel a Christian duty to try to correct people who believe in the Flat Earth error.

As I see it, it is a Christian duty to shine the light of truth in the darkness if the the Flat Earth movement went away, that would be a glorious moment of Christian triumph because it is symptomatic of problems with the North American education system, which began when the atheists started interfering with the rights of Christians in the schools and influencing the education adversely, an the teachers unions’ demanded larger salaries requiring budgets to be cut elsewhere, including critical areas such as science,

And while not as dangerous a conspiracy theory as the Sovereign Citizen / Moorish National conspiracy theories, it is, make no mistake, a dangerous belief system, since people who believe in it will be, among other things:

• Unable to comprehend the functioning of navigation systems like GPS.
• Unable to safely navigate aircraft and seagoing vessels over longer distances.
• Unable to safely practice civil engineering of long freeways or roadways or certain other transport links.
• Unable to access job markets relating to the aerospace industry, which is an increasingly important area of the economy, since obviously a FlatEarther is not going to get a job at SpaceX in any non-trivial position even if they try, which most of them won’t because they don’t believe that space travel is real, but rather regard the classic 1970s thriller Capricorn One and various cryptic bits in the Shining as “proof” that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landings (which he did not have the ability to do - 2001 contains numerous special effects errors and also its depiction of what the Earth looks like from outer space turned out to be slightly off.

 

[prodromos]

To understand airline routes and the “Great Circle Route: (which is actually a straight line, but on a 2D map it looks circular), you need to view them on a globe.

I provided a link to the Great Circle website with the above flights chosen. If you drag the globe around so the start and end points are opposite, then the line between them is straight. I've provided it to @Paul4JC @lifepsyop and @contratodo but have yet you receive any kind of rebuttal. I suspect none of them even clicked on the link.

 

[The Liturgist]

I provided a link to the Great Circle website with the above flights chosen. If you drag the globe around so the start and end points are opposite, then the line between them is straight. I've provided it to @Paul4JC @lifepsyop and @contratodo but have yet you receive any kind of rebuttal. I suspect none of them even clicked on the link.

Indeed, these Southern Hemisphere flights are an intractable problem for Flat Earthers because they prove the globular nature God desired planets such as ours to possess.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The results won't be in untill next year anyway , but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I'm not a flat earther but I thought that this experiment might interest both camps. And i'm a bit like you , maybe both camps will duck and weave on the results , just have to wait and see.....

No matter what they’ll say it was fake and the people on the plane were either not flat earth believers or were paid or threatened and force to lie. They’re conspiracy theorists they don’t care about the truth because it’s not controversial enough for them. They like to pretend that they are enlightened and that they know something that no one else knows because it makes them feel special, as if they’re superior to everyone else. They’re literally intentionally delusional because it makes them feel more significant. They’re not just lying to everyone else, they’re lying to themselves and they’re content in doing so because their conscience is seared, they have no conviction about it.

 

[The Liturgist]

No matter what they’ll say it was fake and the people on the plane were either not flat earth believers or were paid or threatened and force to lie. They’re conspiracy theorists they don’t care about the truth because it’s not controversial enough for them. They like to pretend that they are enlightened and that they know something that no one else knows because it makes them feel special, as if they’re superior to everyone else. They’re literally intentionally delusional because it makes them feel more significant. They’re not just lying to everyone else, they’re lying to themselves and they’re content in doing so because their conscience is seared, they have no conviction about it.

Sadly this is likely the case.

 

[rturner76]

TBH, in the short amount of time I have spent going back and forth I think that even live footage and a testimony from what seems to be a neutral source who seems to be interested in finding the truth, without an ulterior motive one way or the other. He seems to want to verify the information that has been presented. I believe, based on that, he will take an objective observer/surveyor.

Having said that, I feel very strongly that if the results, no matter how obtained and presented will still be disregarded as fiction presented by the enemy to throw us off of the straight and narrow path to salvation. As if believing the Earth is flat is the key to salvation. The key to salvation when it's almost a form of idol worship, believing something that God never said. He never said anything about the shape of the Earth. Somehow the shape of the Earth has become a representation of our faith in the flat earth believer. Like, believing contrary to nature like the resurrection will strengthen our faith and/or prove to God that we believe something that we can't prove for our edification.

I think that people who think/believe this will not even accept the first-hand account and video/pictorial/audio that even a well-accepted questioner of the spherical Earth model. Someone who accepts some of the flat Earth science and the spherical earth.

Often they say their belief is based on facts but they are truly based on belief or faith which literally means "believing something that can't be proven solid credible evidence will be disregarded in order to be true to what they perceive to be faith but they are on;y left with a delusion that does not please God because God forbids bearing false witness.

 

[Paul4JC]

I don’t recall insulting anyone in this thread.

I do feel a Christian duty to try to correct people who believe in the Flat Earth error.

As I see it, it is a Christian duty to shine the light of truth in the darkness if the the Flat Earth movement went away, that would be a glorious moment of Christian triumph because it is symptomatic of problems with the North American education system, which began when the atheists started interfering with the rights of Christians in the schools and influencing the education adversely, an the teachers unions’ demanded larger salaries requiring budgets to be cut elsewhere, including critical areas such as science,

And while not as dangerous a conspiracy theory as the Sovereign Citizen / Moorish National conspiracy theories, it is, make no mistake, a dangerous belief system, since people who believe in it will be, among other things:

• Unable to comprehend the functioning of navigation systems like GPS.
• Unable to safely navigate aircraft and seagoing vessels over longer distances.
• Unable to safely practice civil engineering of long freeways or roadways or certain other transport links.
• Unable to access job markets relating to the aerospace industry, which is an increasingly important area of the economy, since obviously a FlatEarther is not going to get a job at SpaceX in any non-trivial position even if they try, which most of them won’t because they don’t believe that space travel is real, but rather regard the classic 1970s thriller Capricorn One and various cryptic bits in the Shining as “proof” that Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landings (which he did not have the ability to do - 2001 contains numerous special effects errors and also its depiction of what the Earth looks like from outer space turned out to be slightly off.

I never said you did. Apologies if you felt that way.

True it is not a dangerous conspiracy theory as others. More dangerous though is not the believe in what the Bible teaches whether I like it or not. Many false doctrines prevail that people embrace but such people are not attacked like flat earthers. I don't like labels I don't even like to be called a Christian in the modern sense. I do believe in Biblical 3-tier cosmology. I also believe in the astral interpretation of the Bible.

I could easily go around putting down all the false views that people hold on this forum, but I don't, cause what does it matter? God will eventually sort us all out. Some have come to faith through FE teaching, so what does it matter?

[Phl 1:18 NIV] But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

 

[contratodo]

Indeed, these Southern Hemisphere flights are an intractable problem for Flat Earthers because they prove the globular nature God desired planets such as ours to possess.

Not at all, you keep skirting the obvious.
One can draw a nice straight line from Johanesburg South Africa to Santiago Chile.
That same straight line should be what planes use to get between those places, if in fact the earth is a globe .
That route alone proves there is something up.

We never have to look down to see the horizon .
The land we are on is flat,
God created water, and put a dome over the middle of the water, and then made dry land appear from the water that is under the firmament.
Proverbs 8:24 Genesis 1:1-10

 

[contratodo]

What flat earth map would that be? It must be one I've never seen before.

Johannesburg to Santiago, certainly a plane should be able to fly straight there based on the above map.
But the route they take is actually:

They have to stop for some reason, you will not find a non stop flight from Johannesburg to Santiago.
Why can't they go straight between the two places? Because the journey is actually a bit farther than the above false maps can show.
The real journey is seen better below:

On a truer map we can see it is a long journey. Going as straight, down, from Johannesburg to Santiago as possible,
they stop to refuel in Sao Paul. All routes taken by any plane will make the most sense on a sincere flat earth map.

 

[The Liturgist]

Aside from the fact that Santiago-Joburg flights are scheduled to begin soon by LATAM, and in the past Aerolineas Argentinas flew nonstop from Buenos Aires to Joburg and Capetown, the duration and existence of the Sydney-Joburg and Santiago-Sydney flights completely wrecks your model.

Also, the travel time between Sao Paulo, which by the way is much more populous than Santiago, being the fourth most populous city in the world and the largest in South America, larger than New York City, which is the actual reason flights to Santiago go through there at present, is not consistent with the travel time predicted by your model.

And the shortest path between Sao Paulo and Joburg is not the one indicated in your first drawing - everything looks distorted on a 2D projection of the Earth vs. the actual distances. That is why one needs a globe to understand airline routes.

Thus your argument has been debunked.

As an aside, I would hypothesize that of the reason why I think some people fall for the Flat Earth nonsense is that the polar equilateral projection more accurately explains distances in the Northern Hemisphere, and such persons ignore the Southern Hemisphere. There seem to be far fewer Flat Earthers in Australia and New Zealand per capita than the US and Canada.