Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Phil G]

I mostly rely on Logic.

No you don't. You have already indicated that you rely on your instinct.

We can only go on our instincts.

 

[Apple Sky]

If sunrise and sunset were due to passing a 'vanishing point' then the sun would also appear to start small at sunrise and gradually get bigger as it approached noon,

The sun at sun rise is bigger and then gradually gets smaller as it approaches noon, i've noticed this with the moon also.

 

[Apple Sky]

No you don't. You have already indicated that you rely on your instinct.

That & logic, I rely on both.

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be concerned with analyzing ideas and arguments by using reason and rational thinking, not emotions or mysticism or belief.

 

[Phil G]

That & logic, I rely on both.

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be concerned with analyzing ideas and arguments by using reason and rational thinking, not emotions or mysticism or belief.

That’s not what you said. Relying “only” on instinct and “mostly” on logic are two contradictory statements. One does not logically relate to the other. They do not reasonably fit together!

And if you truly relied on logic, you would understand basic physics and maths. They wouldn’t be gobbledygook to you that you can’t get your head around.

 

[Phil G]

The sun at sun rise is bigger and then gradually gets smaller as it approaches noon, i've noticed this with the moon also.

That is only due to an optical illusion. And it doesn't address the issues that @prodromos presented. In fact it’s the opposite of flat earth claims. The sun should be largest at noon (because it would be at its closest to you then) and tiny at sunrise/sunset (because it would be at its furthest from you then) if the earth is flat! Once again you demonstrate your lack of logical thinking.

Here's a video of a sunset:

And here are two screen shots from the video:

The sun isn't getting smaller, it's dropping below the horizon.

 

[prodromos]

The sun at sun rise is bigger and then gradually gets smaller as it approaches noon, i've noticed this with the moon also.

Which is completely the opposite of what you claim causes sunrise and sunset.

 

[prodromos]

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be concerned with analyzing ideas and arguments by using reason and rational thinking, not emotions or mysticism or belief.

This isn't something you would write. It sounds suspiciously like something you got from ChatGPT

 

[Phil G]

This isn't something you would write. It sounds suspiciously like something you got from ChatGPT

I've noticed Apple has a habit of copying and pasting stuff and not acknowledging it as such.

 

[David Lamb]

I've noticed Apple has a habit of copying and pasting stuff and not acknowledging it as such.

Yes, I have gently and politely suggested that she should make use of speech/quotation marks when quoting other people. I remember one post where she wrote word such as:

Here is a video which I made and posted on Youtube.

She seemed surprised when I asked her if she had really made it, even saying I was stupid for thinking she had. But with no indication that she qa quoting somebody else's words, what else was I to think?

 

[Phil G]

Yes, I have gently and politely suggested that she should make use of speech/quotation marks when quoting other people. I remember one post where she wrote word such as:

Here is a video which I made and posted on Youtube.

She seemed surprised when I asked her if she had really made it, even saying I was stupid for thinking she had. But with no indication that she qa quoting somebody else's words, what else was I to think?

I suppose we are all supposed to be able to read her mind as well as everything else....

This is perhaps the source she used in her quote on logic:

What is Logic? – Let's Get Writing!

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be…

viva.pressbooks.pub

It's a pity she does not seem to apply it to her many self-contradictory statements.

 

[Apple Sky]

I suppose we are all supposed to be able to read her mind as well as everything else....

This is perhaps the source she used in her quote on logic:

What is Logic? – Let's Get Writing!

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be…

viva.pressbooks.pub

It's a pity she does not seem to apply it to her many self-contradictory statements.

Logic is when you know that water always finds it's own level.

Logic is when you know the sun, the moon & the stars revolve around the sky .

Logic is when you know they can not build on a none level earth.

Logic is when you know that the earth cannot be moved & is not moving.

 

[Phil G]

Logic is when you know that water always finds it's own level.

Logic is when you know the sun, the moon & the stars revolve around the sky .

Logic is when you know they can not build on a none level earth.

Logic is when you know that the earth cannot be moved & is not moving.

Answer your contradictory posts. You cannot use both “only” instinct and “mostly” logic.

The rising sun should not be bigger than it is at noon if the earth is flat. It should be tiny in comparison.

There is no logic in what you say.

 

[Apple Sky]

There is no logic in what you say.

There is much logic in what I say & as well you know.

 

[Phil G]

Logic is when you know that water always finds it's own level.

No, not when there is a force applied to it

https://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/water-spinner

Logic is when you know the sun, the moon & the stars revolve around the sky .

No, that’s not logic, that is an irrational claim not backed up by logic. Ask amateur astronomers, of which there are many.

Logic is when you know they can not build on a none level earth.

No, that’s another irrational claim not backed up by logic. Ask a building or land surveyor. Here's one example:

"curvature of the Earth, correction for [SURVEYING]-1 That offset from the tangent to the curve resulting from curvature of the Earth. The offset amounts to about 8 cm at 1 km distance. 2 That offset which is given in surveying tables as correction for curvature of the Earth. The values given in such tables usually combine the effects of both curvature the Earth and atmospheric refraction. Under normal conditions, the atmospheric refraction compensates partially for the curvature of the Earth, so the correction is about 6 cm for a point 1 km away."

Curvature Definitions for Land Surveyors – Learn CST

learncst.com

Logic is when you know that the earth cannot be moved & is not moving.

No, that’s yet another irrational claim not backed up by logic. Ask Christian astronauts for their eyewitness testimonies, as Scripture tells us to do.

 

[Phil G]

There is much logic in what I say & as well you know.

No there isn’t. You have not given the slightest logical reasoning for your statements. None!

 

[Phil G]

There is much logic in what I say & as well you know.

Now tell us why you contradict flat earth by saying the sun is bigger at sunrise than it is at noon…

And tell us how you can use “only” instinct while using “mostly” logic to decide what is true….

You are not being logical at all!!

 

[Strong in Him]

I mostly rely on Logic.

It's not logic to say that you see the sun in different positions in the sky, therefore it is the sun which moves.
Logic would say "based on what we know, have studied, observed and recorded, we can conclude that ......"

And yes, I know you're going to quote the verse from Joshua as "proof" but it really isn't.
From Joshua's perspective - as from most of ours - the sun "moved" across the sky and when it got to a certain point, it set. This is when we have darkness. What Joshua asked was that the sun should not set, which gave them more hours of daylight, and enough time to finish their battle.
As Joshua was not in outer space, he could not see whether it was the sun, or the earth, which were moving - he relied on his perspective, and senses, just as you do.

Your conclusion is that the Bible is literally true on this point - therefore it is the SUN which moves across the sky, therefore ALL scientific discoveries, studies and so on are fake and lying to try to stop people from believing the Bible.
That is not logic.
Joshua prayed that the sun wouldn't set, the sun didn't set, they had the hours of daylight they needed to finish their battle against their enemies - therefore the Lord can even perform a miracle to help and protect his people - that's logic.

 

[Strong in Him]

Logic, in its most basic sense, is the study of how ideas reasonably fit together. In other words, when you apply logic, you must be concerned with analyzing ideas and arguments by using reason and rational thinking, not emotions or mysticism or belief.

This sounds like a quote from someone else, and in any case, is not what you do.
Which ideas and arguments have you analysed, using reason, o conclude that the earth is flat? Apart from Dean Odle, Eric Dubay and a bunch of videos off YouTube, I haven't seen any.
What arguments for a flat earth have you put forward - I've only seen statements like, "it can't be", "I can't get my head round that" or "is Australia upside down, or what?" which a picture of a house/trees/people that re upside down.

Your on words aren't even logical.
Th earth is flat, but it's a circle.
The earth is a flat circle, like a DVD, but the deepest hole that's ever been dug was more than 40,000 foot deep. The earth also has 4 corners which are "further out". I have asked you, several times, to produce such a shape and you cant.

It's also not logical to use the Bible to give scientific detail when it isn't, and wasn't written as, a scientific textbook.

 

[Phil G]

Logic is when you know that water always finds it's own level.

Oh, and by the way, water drops are naturally spherical in shape, ie curved water:

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[Apple Sky]

Oh, and by the way, water drops are naturally spherical in shape, ie curved water:



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The lotus leaf: how nature makes water-repellent materials.

Ever wonder what makes a material water-repellent? Hydrophobic materials can be useful in a myriad of applications, basically anywhere where you don't want your things to get wet. To figure out how to engineer materials with better hydrophobic properties, scientists have turned to nature...

www.jeremyjordan.me

Droplets or dew water always finds it's own level.