Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

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Oh but it does.

Psalm 19:6
His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.



The word "raqia" is derived from the verb "raqa," which means to spread out, stretch out, or hammer out.
The clue is in the word 'Firm -ament'.

God doesn't lie or confuse.

The sun cannot rise or set on a flat earth as it would always be visible, no matter how far away you believe it gets.

 

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Others have proposed it may have been a solar eclipse

Solar eclipses last minutes, not hours. It was a supernatural event.

 

[David Lamb]

How trustworthy would you say you-tube is ?

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We are the voice of truth and we refuse to die for a lack of knowledge.

I don't know much about YouTube. However, I get the impression that it is similar to Wikipedia, in that anybody can post anything on YouTube. If that is the case, then the trustworthiness of YouTube will vary with the trustworthiness of the individual or organisation posting each video.

 

[Apple Sky]

The sun cannot rise or set on a flat earth as it would always be visible, no matter how far away you believe it gets.

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The Sun & The Vanishing Point​

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When the sun sets on one part of the earth it is rising on the other part of the earth & the moon gives off her own light & is not a reflection from the sun.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus therefore died on Friday, April 3, AD 33 at about 3 p.m., a few hours before the beginning of Passover day and the Sabbath.

According to the Gospels, the sky darkened for three hours during Jesus's crucifixion, from the sixth to the ninth hour. This event, often referred to as the crucifixion darkness, is interpreted by many Christians as a miraculous sign accompanying Jesus's death. Some scholars have suggested it could be a symbolic representation of God's judgment upon sin or a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies. Others have proposed it may have been a solar eclipse.

And where do you get your precise information about the exact date Jesus died? We are told the hour, as you say, but not the date.

 

[Apple Sky]

If that is the case, then the trustworthiness of YouTube will vary with the trustworthiness of the individual or organisation posting each video.

Which is the same for 153 News.

 

[David Lamb]

Which is the same for 153 News.

Right, so apart from the fact that the video agrees with what you already believe, you have no way of judging its trustworthiness. Saying that it is trustworthy because it agrees with what you believe is circular reasoning.

 

[Apple Sky]

And where do you get your precise information about the exact date Jesus died? We are told the hour, as you say, but not the date.

True;

There's no definitive, universally agreed-upon date for Jesus's death. Scholars generally agree it was likely a Friday in the spring, around the time of Passover, during Pontius Pilate's governorship (AD 26-36). While some propose specific dates like April 3, AD 33, according to some sources, the Gospels themselves don't give a precise date, and they offer conflicting details about the timing of the crucifixion.

 

[Apple Sky]

Right, so apart from the fact that the video agrees with what you already believe, you have no way of judging its trustworthiness. Saying that it is trustworthy because it agrees with what you believe is circular reasoning.

You could say the same about any video, as one video may be truth to one person and another not so.

So who really knows when a video is trustworthy & when it is not ?

We can only go on our instincts.

 

[David Lamb]

You could say the same about any video, as one video may be truth to one person and another not so.

So who really knows when a video is trustworthy & when it is not ?

We can only go on our instincts.

Not always. If you know, or have independent testimony of, the person who made/posted the video, you would have more than instinct to go on. For example, when you watch a video of Christian astronaut Charles Duke giving his testimony, there are other people who can attest to the truth of what he says. As far as I can see, the videos posted on 153 News are anonymous. It seems to me not to be very useful for you to post such an anonymous video as evidence in support of your beliefs about the shape of the earth, or whether the moon landings took place.

 

[Apple Sky]

For example, when you watch a video of Christian astronaut Charles Duke giving his testimony, there are other people who can attest to the truth of what he says.

What other people ?

 

[Strong in Him]

You could say the same about any video, as one video may be truth to one person and another not so.

So videos of historical events may be true to some people but not others?

So who really knows when a video is trustworthy & when it is not ?

Research, books, other supporting evidence, archaeological finds etc, etc.
The video is a very late invention. There were hundreds of historians before there ever were videos - St Luke was one of them.

We can only go on our instincts.

If there's no video of Henry VIII marrying Anne Boleyn, it may not have happened and we rely on what our instincts tell us?
So there is no right or wrong in the world, no religion is more accurate than any other, things like the holocaust may/may not have happened; it depends on what our perceptions, and instincts, tell us?

Supposing that my instinct tells me that you - who, by your own words, are addicted to Conspiracy theories, can't get your head around science and change your mind about telling God that you now believe something - have got your facts wrong/are untrustworthy/are doing all this to wind us up? Or my instinct tells me that Charles Duke is a Christian with an amazing testimony, who gives talks about his time on the moon - and then preaches Jesus - is telling the truth?
Does that make them true, or are they just true for me because my instincts have told me so?

 

[Strong in Him]

What other people ?

Other people who were there.
Other people who built the space rocket, put the astronauts through a selection process, managed their physical training, designed their space suits etc.
Other people who were family members and were without their husbands/fathers for several weeks.

 

[David Lamb]

What other people ?

Christians in the church of which he is a member, for a start. They wouldn't even have him in membership if he was an out-and-out liar. He doesn't hide behind a cloak of anonymity, so people can do internet searches, and find out many things about him and his trustworthiness. Nobody can do that with a 153 News video, because they are all anonymous.

 

[Apple Sky]

Other people who were there.
Other people who built the space rocket, put the astronauts through a selection process, managed their physical training, designed their space suits etc.
Other people who were family members and were without their husbands/fathers for several weeks.

How do we know they are all telling the truth ?

Nobody can do that with a 153 News video, because they are all anonymous.

Not all.

 

[David Lamb]

Not all.

Alright, I haven't investigated all of them. But the one you posted was anonymous.

 

[Strong in Him]

How do we know they are all telling the truth ?

How do we know you are?
The likelihood of them all lying about the same thing - families lying about missing their husbands/fathers/brothers, people lying about whether or not they built a rocket and so on - is extremely small. It either happened, or it didn't. If it didn't then you are asking us to believe that hundreds/thousands of people are lying or deliberately planned, and pulled off, an elaborate hoax. You even once posted some scanned pages of a book, written by someone who had worked on the Apollo space missions.

Far more likely is that your addiction to conspiracy theories, coupled with an indiscriminate way of interpreting Scripture and a heavy dependency on YouTube, have led to you mistrusting people so that you now don't believe anything that you can't understand, or which your senses tell you is wrong.
Even a born again Christian astronaut - and there is/has been more than one - is regarded with this same suspicion.
Sad.

 

[Phil G]

You could say the same about any video, as one video may be truth to one person and another not so.

So who really knows when a video is trustworthy & when it is not ?

We can only go on our instincts.

This is foolishness. We are not animals relying on instinct. We are humans with intellect and the ability to reason.

I don’t rely on instinct to decide what is true. I look at evidence. And evidence clearly establishes that the earth is a globe.

What flat earth lacks is evidence. Any videos supporting flat earth are full of people stating opinions but claiming them to be facts. Anything they call “evidence” turns out to be just more statements of opinion.

Sadly the evidence for a globe earth (and these threads are filled with examples of that evidence) is apparently just “gobbledygook” to you that you can't get your head around and consequently you conveniently just call it “fake”, and the people presenting it as “liars” or “fairy-tale tellers”, none of which is rational.

And when it comes to calling fellow Christians liars or fairy-tale tellers, that's going the route of the accuser, especially when the Christians are eyewitnesses to the fact that the earth is a globe.

 

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The Sun & The Vanishing Point​

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When the sun sets on one part of the earth it is rising on the other part of the earth & the moon gives off her own light & is not a reflection from the sun.

If you happen to be staying in a hotel on the Gold Coast in Queensland Australia, you can watch the sun rise from the top of the hotel tower, then take the lift to the ground floor where you can watch the sun rise all over again, even though the sun is the same distance away, albeit a tiny bit closer the 2nd time.
If you are on the West Coast you can watch the sun set, then take the lift up to the top of the tower where the sun will not yet have set, and watch the sun set again, even though the distance to the sun is the same, albeit a little further the 2nd time.
If the sun was appearing and disappearing due to passing a 'vanishing point', then it would make no difference on a flat earth whether you were at the top or bottom of a tall building. The sun should appear or disappear at exactly the same time. It doesn't because the earth is a globe and not flat.

If sunrise and sunset were due to passing a 'vanishing point' then the sun would also appear to start small at sunrise and gradually get bigger as it approached noon, after which it would gradually get smaller until it disappeared at sunset, whereas the sun stays exactly the same size all day. This all proves that the claim made by flat-earthers is false regarding sunrise and sunset.

 

[Apple Sky]

I don’t rely on instinct to decide what is true. I look at evidence. And evidence clearly establishes that the earth is a globe.

I mostly rely on Logic.