Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[SkyWriting]

However, and again if they are being honest, all it takes is one of them that they have calibrated, to a level of accuracy they can use, then have that one person talk to or take the jet ride, or the ballon ride.

Lets be honest......how would that help?

 

[katerinah1947]

Lets be honest......how would that help?

Hi,

I suppose I was supposed to understand what you meant and in depth. I do not.

LOVE,

 

[morse86]

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

I just went a lookin. Landover Baptist Church forum on the subject of The Flat Earth.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40617

And:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/tags.php?tag=flat+earth



LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Wikipedia article on Landover Baptist Church. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

LOVE,

 

[mmksparbud]

There are so many pictures of the astronauts who went up there---and there are many of them. Why is it that not one of them has ever come back stating the earth is flat?? I keep asking you and you keep ignoring the question. All of them have seen the earth. Not a single one has said it's flat--eye witnesses, all of them. In that video, there is an astronaut--what does he say he saw?

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Wikipedia article on flat earth concept. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Landover Baptist Church is a parody, on fundamentalist beliefs. It is not real, but seems to be the chief instigator in today's flat earth ideas.

It is a fake church according to the Wikipedia article above.

Morse86, are you giving us satire and parody, rather that a serious talk????

Here are some archived astronaut stories: http://www.oocities.org/fcastrocha/glenn.htm


LOVE,

 

[morse86]

The flat earth society and the landover baptist are both shill organizations. If you want to learn about the flat earth, you can start with the flat earth clues on youtube.

The astronauts are just all actors. Look at the ISS live footage interviews....there are a lot of problems with them:

The point in the above video CANNOT be debunked.

 

[morse86]

Why are all these organizations using the flat earth map:

World Health Organization:

International Maritime Organization:

International Civil Aviation Authority:

World Meterology Organization:

 

[Xalith]

The point in the above video CANNOT be debunked.

Easily Debunked.

The rest their whole case on "NASA IS LYING" (it isn't JUST NASA that is saying this stuff, btw. Russia also has a space program) and "Other than NASA, it hasn't been proven!" and then they show a primitive photo from a V2 Rocket and several images from High Sky Balloon experiments, one of which I even linked in this very page.

They picked one still shot out of each, but yet if you actually watched these videos, you'll see that depending on the camera tilt, the horizon DOES curve and at other times it appears flat.

If the Earth were Truly flat, then why can't we launch a balloon from, say, Canada (or Australia!) and see what's beyond Antarctica? Surely, THAT high up, you should surely be able to see far enough, right?

 

[morse86]

Easily Debunked.

The rest their whole case on "NASA IS LYING" (it isn't JUST NASA that is saying this stuff, btw. Russia also has a space program) and "Other than NASA, it hasn't been proven!" and then they show a primitive photo from a V2 Rocket and several images from High Sky Balloon experiments, one of which I even linked in this very page.

They picked one still shot out of each, but yet if you actually watched these videos, you'll see that depending on the camera tilt, the horizon DOES curve and at other times it appears flat.

If the Earth were Truly flat, then why can't we launch a balloon from, say, Canada and see what's beyond Antarctica? Surely, THAT high up, you should surely be able to see far enough, right?

Did you not see the "CGI" rendering on top of Chris Hadfield's shirt when he bends down to pick up something? Did you not see the other astronaut moving forward just by raising his hand forward?

 

[Xalith]

Did you not see the "CGI" rendering on top of Chris Hadfield's shirt when he bends down to pick up something? Did you not see the other astronaut moving forward just by raising his hand forward?

I wasn't talking about That video, I was talking about the earlier one you posted.

Whether or not we actually went to the Moon, I'm on the sidelines myself. I don't really care either way or another. I'm merely commenting on the "Flat Earth" issues and why there is so much evidence against a Flat Earth, even if you think we never went to the Moon or put the ISS up in space.

Plenty of evidence can be found here on Earth that it is indeed spherical without needing to actually go up to space, so that's why I didn't watch the 2nd video.

And also you need to ponder why virtually every single celestial body of any size is spherical, and yet our Earth is believed to be flat?

That makes no sense whatsoever, and it actually defies what we know about Gravity. That's why planets, gas giants, and stars are round in the first place.

 

[Xalith]

Also, that first "Flat Earth Video" that @morse86 posted had a "Flat Earth Model" that explained why that greek guy's calculations worked the way they did... okay, that might explain light, but you know what it doesn't explain?

A little something called Equinox and Seasons.

Look at the Equator. All of the regions near the Equator are Hot all year round, right?

Areas North and South of the Equator are Temperate -- for roughly half of the year, they are warm and the other half of the year, they are cold, and they alternate in perfect clockwork, but yet they STILL experience night&day cycles. When it is Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere has Summer and vice-versa. I should know, I have an Australian friend that I talk to quite often and they were complaining about cold and snow in July and I checked it on the internet, and yes indeed, it was very cold down there in July according to weather service sites on the Internet.

So how do you account for the Equator, Equinoxes, and the Seasons with a Flat Earth? You could maybe put the Sun&Moon in a ring in the sky.... but wait a minute... where's the warmth coming from again? The Sun, of course. When you stand in the Sunlight, you can feel the warmth. Step in the Shade and you suddenly lose 5-10 degrees. You can put a pane of glass between you and the Sun and the same thing happens. The sunlight itself makes a huge difference in Temperature. If the Sun was on this weird "ring" above a Flat Earth, then how do you account for the Season Changes?

Meanwhile, Round Earth explains it perfectly -- the hemisphere that is tilted towards the Sun gets Summer, the side that is tilted away from the Sun gets Winter and the Earth tilts back and forth during its rotations (which also gives a perfect explanation of Day/Night cycles as well).

So...

On one side, you got a Flat Earth proposal that raises more questions than answers (I've yet to hear a Flat Earth person explain the Seasons and Equinoxes) and other plain absurdity like "Why haven't we seen the edges of the Earth yet?" and their answer is always "Government Conspiracies!" (despite the fact there are people who have ventured deep into Antarctica, what they call the "South Pole", multiple people who came back to tell their stories). They throw out all images from Space because "NASA IS LYING!" (despite the fact NASA isn't the only agency that has ever claim they sent people to space).

Meanwhile, Round Earth people throw out all kinds of evidence, such as Seasons, Trigonometry experiments, visual evidence that you can observe yourself in any port town, as to why their theory sounds the most likely.

So... yeah. I'm waiting for your explanation of the Northern/Southern Hemisphere and Seasons, how the Equator works, etc if the Earth is Flat. Remember: The Equator goes all the way around the globe and it is even and predictable. That's why we have globes modeled the way we do, and why the continents are always put on the globe in that particular formation.

Give me a Flat Earth Model that shows me how the Seasons, Equator, and Equinoxes work and I'll think about it. And no, "It's magic" doesn't work. Sorry.

EDIT: Also, Erosthenes (sp?)'s Trig Calculations... you mind telling me how... if you think he's wrong and/or he didn't prove anything... how did his measurements and calculations produce a globe that is almost exactly the right size to fit the continents, INCLUDING the Americas which the Greeks didn't know they existed?

Was that just an insanely lucky guess to come up with a sphere big enough to fit a whole hemisphere that wasn't even known to exist at the time? lol?

What's the chances of that happening?

 

[katerinah1947]

The flat earth society and the landover baptist are both shill organizations. If you want to learn about the flat earth, you can start with the flat earth clues on youtube.

The astronauts are just all actors. Look at the ISS live footage interviews....there are a lot of problems with them:

The point in the above video CANNOT be debunked.

Hi,

The subject is flat earth. What has that video got to do with a flat earth? Landover is a flat earth group that you called a shill. You also said the flat earth society is a shill.

Those two shill organizations, to you, agree with you.

The astronaut stories give credence to a moon landing, and they might even have a globe statement in there.

LOVE,

 

[Xalith]

Hi,

The subject is flat earth. What has that video got to do with a flat earth? Landover is a flat earth group that you called a shill. You also said the flat earth society is a shill.

Those two shill organizations, to you, agree with you.

The astronaut stories give credence to a moon landing, and they might even have a globe statement in there.

LOVE,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That's basically what that is. That's why I ignored it too.

 

[morse86]

EDIT: Also, Erosthenes (sp?)'s Trig Calculations... you mind telling me how... if you think he's wrong and/or he didn't prove anything... how did his measurements and calculations produce a globe that is almost exactly the right size to fit the continents, INCLUDING the Americas which the Greeks didn't know they existed?

Was that just an insanely lucky guess to come up with a sphere big enough to fit a whole hemisphere that wasn't even known to exist at the time? lol?

What's the chances of that happening?

https://www.khanacademy.org/partner...g-solar-system-earth/a/eratosthenes-of-cyrene

He computed this by using simple geometry and trigonometry and by recognizing Earth as a sphere in space.

He also assumed the sun was millions of miles away.

 

[morse86]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

That's basically what that is. That's why I ignored it too.

I didn't post anything related to the flat earth society OR landover baptist. Both are shill organizations designed to make Flat Earth look like a joke.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

From:
http://www.spacequotations.com/earth.html

I think the one overwhelming emotion that we had was when we saw the earth rising in the distance over the lunar landscape . . . . It makes us realize that we all do exist on one small globe. For from 230,000 miles away it really is a small planet.

— Frank Borman, Apollo 8, press reports, 10 January 1969.

LOVE,

 

[morse86]

If they can do this with a sitcom budget....imagine what NASA can do with billions of dollars. Actors can be suspended using stage wires and harnesses which allows them to move freely and the wires can be digitally removed.

Just look at this realtime CGI: