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Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

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Hi,

Yes people went to the moon.

I am checking on satellites around the moon, as I read so fast to try and find a simple explanation, that I might have messed up, earth satellites with moon satellites, being affected by the moons gravitational pull.

As far as for earth satellites, look up at the sky most evenings after dark, and you can see star like objects moving across the sky, in a northerly direction, that are not stars, and they are not planets, nor are they shooting stars.

So, yes, earth satellites are verifiable by most of us on a clear night.

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Hi,

When Evergreen Aviation and Space Museum snagged me one afternoon to work for them, I was placed in the Space Museum with a real Rocket Scientist.

He did not let me work there until I understood rocket propulsion. I have seen the rockets used in space. I have seen the capsules used that men were put in. I know how to make a V2, or a Redstone, or even a Titan II.

I have seen re-entry vehicles, and the control section for the lunar launcher. So, yes I would say people have landed on the moo .

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Unless i missed it, where is the "seasons", night/day addressed?

is the book of enoch referenced regarding a flat earth?

Genesis addresses night and day, did you not read?

Book of Enoch is satanic, it's not part of the bible. The whole bible must be taken into context, and when you do, book of Enoch is a joke. It was never part of the bible. The other 66 books are perfect and cronological.
 
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Hi,

Here are the five first moon satellites.


  • Lunar Orbiter 1
    • Launched August 10, 1966
    • Imaged Moon: August 18 to 29, 1966
    • Impact with Moon: October 29, 1966
    • Apollo landing site survey mission
  • Lunar Orbiter 2
    • Launched November 6, 1966
    • Imaged Moon: November 18 to 25, 1966
    • Impact with Moon: October 11, 1967
    • Apollo landing site survey mission
  • Lunar Orbiter 3
    • Launched February 5, 1967
    • Imaged Moon: February 15 to 23, 1967
    • Impact with Moon: October 9, 1967
    • Apollo landing site survey mission
  • Lunar Orbiter 4
    • Launched May 4, 1967
    • Imaged Moon: May 11 to 26, 1967
    • Impact with Moon: Approximately October 31, 1967
    • Lunar mapping mission
  • Lunar Orbiter 5
    • Launched August 1, 1967
    • Imaged Moon: August 6 to 18, 1967
    • Impact with Moon: January 31, 1968
    • Lunar mapping and hi-res survey mission
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Here is the Lunar Orbiter 1 onboard computer (ENIAC's timeline):
Two_women_operating_ENIAC.gif


All done with punch cards, you know when Fortran, Argol, and Cobolt were programming languages..where you had only 20 integer banks. Yeah, and the tooth fairy is real too.


Here is the Lunar Orbiter 2 (1960s) computer:
timeline_computers_1960.neac2203.jpg


That sure looked like a computer ready to handle the lunar orbiter mission.

Does anyone believe this propaganda garbage by NASA?

We were using PRIMITIVE programming languages! We were using punch cards with massive tape drives. Storage, computing power, was so limited.

There were so many mistakes in the primitive programming languages. Look up Therac-25 incident.

Do you really think NASA went to the moon with these computers and programming languages?
 
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Here is the Lunar Orbiter 1 onboard computer (ENIAC's timeline):
Two_women_operating_ENIAC.gif


All done with punch cards, you know when Fortran, Argol, and Cobolt were programming languages..where you had only 20 integer banks. Yeah, and the tooth fairy is real too.


Here is the Lunar Orbiter 2 (1960s) computer:
timeline_computers_1960.neac2203.jpg


That sure looked like a computer ready to handle the lunar orbiter mission.

Does anyone believe this propaganda garbage by NASA?

We were using PRIMITIVE programming languages! We were using punch cards with massive tape drives. Storage, computing power, was so limited.

There were so many mistakes in the primitive programming languages. Look up Therac-25 incident.

Do you really think NASA went to the moon with these computers and programming languages?
Here is the Lunar Orbiter 1 onboard computer (ENIAC's timeline):
Two_women_operating_ENIAC.gif


All done with punch cards, you know when Fortran, Argol, and Cobolt were programming languages..where you had only 20 integer banks. Yeah, and the tooth fairy is real too.


Here is the Lunar Orbiter 2 (1960s) computer:
timeline_computers_1960.neac2203.jpg


That sure looked like a computer ready to handle the lunar orbiter mission.

Does anyone believe this propaganda garbage by NASA?

We were using PRIMITIVE programming languages! We were using punch cards with massive tape drives. Storage, computing power, was so limited.

There were so many mistakes in the primitive programming languages. Look up Therac-25 incident.

Do you really think NASA went to the moon with these computers and programming languages?

Hi,

The computer they used to go to the moon.

http://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Apollo-11-The-computers-that-put-man-on-the-moon

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Here is the Lunar Orbiter 1 onboard computer (ENIAC's timeline):
Two_women_operating_ENIAC.gif


All done with punch cards, you know when Fortran, Argol, and Cobolt were programming languages..where you had only 20 integer banks. Yeah, and the tooth fairy is real too.


Here is the Lunar Orbiter 2 (1960s) computer:
timeline_computers_1960.neac2203.jpg


That sure looked like a computer ready to handle the lunar orbiter mission.

Does anyone believe this propaganda garbage by NASA?

We were using PRIMITIVE programming languages! We were using punch cards with massive tape drives. Storage, computing power, was so limited.

There were so many mistakes in the primitive programming languages. Look up Therac-25 incident.

Do you really think NASA went to the moon with these computers and programming languages?



You don't seem to realize. Computers in the 1960s were size of buildings and had TONS of errors in them. It took months to correct the errors. Programs were stored on punch cards and storage were slow slow tape drives. The first hard drive took an entire room, crashed often, and engineers had to come in special dust proof suits to fix the issue.

Programmers were horrible, there were no standards. There was tons and tons and tons of errors in the programs.

The history of the NASA computers is FAKE. History is re-written, retrofitted, to make it look like they had computers and programs to support the apolllo missions....the fact is they didn't.

NASA never went to the moon using 1960s computers. That is a fact.
 
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1) Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down constantly if it's a round earth? NASA says the curvature is 8 inches per mile. The average speed of a plane is 580mph......how come the altitude meter stays mostly constant?


2) How come there are dead spots for GPS...but if you move a mile left or right, you get GPS connection. You mean a satellite cannot account for 1 mile difference?!?!? Before GPS, there was LORAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN)

3) How come there are several space ballon videos showing a direct hotspot under the sun? How come the sun appears very very close and not millions of miles away?

1. Because the earth is round and gravity keeps the atmosphere from dissipating into space. What the altimeter is measuring is relative air pressure. Because the Earth is almost a sphere (really more egg shaped), the distance from the core to the crust stays the same. As the plane flies, gravity keeps it at the same distance. You need to reach escape velocity in order to fly straight out of the atmosphere.

2. Because the earth's crust contains iron, and other magnetic, deposits which can interfere with radio signals, thus blocking GPS from communicating with satellites and radio/cell towers. (Which is how most GPS systems work. The satellites know where the towers are and the towers triangulate your position based on that).

3. Because the Sun is spinning, like the Earth. Notice we have "cooler" spots at the poles? The Sun is massive. You lay 100 Earths across the diameter of the Sun. You can see a mountain in the distance, but when youre standing at the base, you may not be able to see the top.
 
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You don't seem to realize. Computers in the 1960s were size of buildings and had TONS of errors in them. It took months to correct the errors. Programs were stored on punch cards and storage were slow slow tape drives. The first hard drive took an entire room, crashed often, and engineers had to come in special dust proof suits to fix the issue.

Programmers were horrible, there were no standards. There was tons and tons and tons of errors in the programs.

The history of the NASA computers is FAKE. History is re-written, retrofitted, to make it look like they had computers and programs to support the apolllo missions....the fact is they didn't.

NASA never went to the moon using 1960s computers. That is a fact.

Hi,

In 1966 I entered DeVry Institute of Technology. I decided to study electrical engineering, primarily because they made more money than technicians, so my motivations were not so pure.

Our Analog computers were very small. They ran things like nozzles on a rocket, or the tilt on an antenna.

We had a large business computer. An I B M model. Neither computer is as large as you are suggesting.

That article showed the actual computer used. I have seen where it mounts on the electronics and control section of that model of lunar rocket.

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Hi,

I looked at this multiple times each time I worked at the museum.


Saturn instrument unit



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Components and layout of a typical Saturn IB/V instrument unitThe instrument unit was designed by NASA's George C. Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. IBM manufactured and assembled the instrument unit at its Space Systems Center in Huntsville.

Structure
Located between the Saturn S-IVB stage and the spacecraft.

Diameter: 21.7 feet
Height: 3 feet
Weight: 500 pounds; 4,400 pounds assembled
The structure consisted of three 120-degree sections of thin-walled aluminum alloy face sheets bonded over sections of aluminum honeycomb one inch thick.

Guidance and Flight Control
Major Components: digital computer and data adapter; analog flight control computer; inertial guidance platform; emergency detection system control rate gyros and control accelerometers. Together, they measured acceleration and vehicle attitude, determined velocity and position, and calculated and issued control commands to engine actuators.

The inertial guidance platform sensed the vehicle's acceleration and flight attitude. It sent measurements to the digital computer through the data adapter. The digital computer used the measurements to determine the vehicle's position and velocity. Any corrections required to keep the vehicle on course were calculated by the digital computer.

Correction signals, with outputs from control rate gyros and control accelerometers, went to a switch selector. The switch selector - one in the instrument unit and one in each propulsion stage - decoded the correction signals and passed them to the flight control computer. The flight control computer issued commands to steer the vehicle by gimbaling the engines.

Environmental Control
Heat from electronic components dissipated through 16 cold plates lining the interior wall of the instrument unit. An antifreeze-like coolant circulated from a reservoir through the cold plates.

Instrumentation
Measurements: several hundred measurements were made by sensors to monitor performance and environmental data during flight. Results were telemetered to the nearest ground station. Measurements were taken of:

  • Physical qualities, such as mechanical movements, atmospheric pressures, sound levels, temperatures and vibrations; all of which were transformed into electrical signals.
  • Electrical values, such as voltage, current and frequency, which determined stage separation, engine cutoff and other flight control functions.
Telemetry: measurements were routed to telemetry equipment for transmission to the ground. Multiplexing - transmitting messages one after the other, but so fast that they appear to be transmitted simultaneously - was used on most channels. Multiplexing permitted many transmissions on just a few channels.

Tracking: radar transponders onboard the launch vehicle increased the range and accuracy of ground-based tracking systems by replying to pulses of radar energy aimed at the Saturn.

Radio Command: received and interpreted data transmitted from the ground for the digital computer; followed a series of error control steps to verify that the message received agreed with the message transmitted.

Electrical System
Power Supplies:

  • Main supply: 20-30 seconds before liftoff, the launch control center transferred power to four 28-volt alkaline silver-zinc batteries.
  • Special supplies: five-volt master supply converted the main supply to a reference voltage for the measuring system's signal conditioning modules. The 56-volt power supply provided the voltage for the guidance and control system's inertial guidance platform.
Emergency Detection System: detected any abnormal conditions in pitch and engine thrust during launch.

Testing
Each major component was tested individually and as part of its system (guidance and control, electrical, etc.) before the instrument unit was shipped to the John F. Kennedy Space Center.

After testing, the digital computer, data adapter, flight control computer, inertial guidance platform and the power supplies were removed and packaged separately for shipment. The other components remained in the instrument unit during shipment.

LOVE,
 
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1) Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down constantly if it's a round earth? NASA says the curvature is 8 inches per mile. The average speed of a plane is 580mph......how come the altitude meter stays mostly constant?


2) How come there are dead spots for GPS...but if you move a mile left or right, you get GPS connection. You mean a satellite cannot account for 1 mile difference?!?!? Before GPS, there was LORAN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN)

3) How come there are several space ballon videos showing a direct hotspot under the sun? How come the sun appears very very close and not millions of miles away?
תֵּבֵל, in the Bible, is the Hebrew word translated "world", which means "globe".
The Word does not teach a flat earth, but it does teach a fixed in place globe; not moving, not rotating, not spinning, not tilting, not revolving.
 
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Genesis addresses night and day, did you not read?

Book of Enoch is satanic, it's not part of the bible. The whole bible must be taken into context, and when you do, book of Enoch is a joke. It was never part of the bible. The other 66 books are perfect and cronological.

yes, Genesis does address night and day. How is night and day possible if the earth is flat, and the changing of the seasons?

I asked about the book of enoch, because there are some flat earth theorists who reference it.
 
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תֵּבֵל, in the Bible, is the Hebrew word translated "world", which means "globe".
The Word does not teach a flat earth, but it does teach a fixed in place globe; not moving, not rotating, not spinning, not tilting, not revolving.

Can you state the verses please?--that teach a non moving earth as what I have seen states that it can no be moved, not that is doesn't move.

Morse86 seems to have to start new threads on this subject when there are too many questions he can't answer on another thread!

NASA did not come up with gravity--Newton did.
I've asked about the astronauts as they did not report a flat earth but a globe, and those astronauts included several Christians. Are they part of the liars also, or just delusional? You do realize that these Christians are dying believing in a round earth not flat after having seen it for themselves.
On another thread Mors even brought up the antichrist as part of this round earth conspiracy and I asked how a round earth helps the antichrist as opposed to a flat earth and never got an answer on thast one either.
 
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Here is the Lunar Orbiter 1 onboard computer (ENIAC's timeline):
Two_women_operating_ENIAC.gif


All done with punch cards, you know when Fortran, Argol, and Cobolt were programming languages..where you had only 20 integer banks. Yeah, and the tooth fairy is real too.


Here is the Lunar Orbiter 2 (1960s) computer:
timeline_computers_1960.neac2203.jpg


That sure looked like a computer ready to handle the lunar orbiter mission.

Does anyone believe this propaganda garbage by NASA?

We were using PRIMITIVE programming languages! We were using punch cards with massive tape drives. Storage, computing power, was so limited.

There were so many mistakes in the primitive programming languages. Look up Therac-25 incident.

Do you really think NASA went to the moon with these computers and programming languages?

And this, kids, is what an argument from incredulity looks like.
 
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wouldn;t this happen to ships on a flat earth?

flat_earth_2.jpg

Brinny, Brinny, Brinny, have you learnt nothing from this thread? Gravity doesn't exist so why would they fall down like that?

My theory is that there must be some sort of invisible force field that teleports the ships to the opposite edge of the world. They could sail outwards off the eastern edge and then appear sailing inwards on the western edge without even being aware of what had happened. It would work for aeroplanes too.

Flat Earth, Case closed.
 
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i can't fathom how there could be a "flat" earth.....

And there's well, "gravity"

how could the earth be "flat"?

You go tell-them Brinny Sis'

If an aircraft were a bullet fired from a gun STRAIGHT UP (vertically)
it would run out of speed, and not, reach the upper atmosphere before falling back to earth

Factors involved, are; aircraft speed, air-friction and gravity
An aircraft takes advantage of air-pressure/ air-friction, to place lift over it's wings
With 'lift' under/over it's wings an aircraft can effectively defeat gravity
BUT, it cannot reach 'escape velocity' and so travel into space

If, the earth were "FLAT".... where oh where, is it's edge ???
and why do the seas (oceans) NOT... drop, off the edges :p
If the earth were "FLAT" then we could see across the world using a telescope
but that ain't happening (is it ?)
because strangely, our horizons terminate at less than 30 miles distant on a flat plain
(why ? does everything drop 'out of view' beyond that limit ?)
[If everything were a flat plane, we would see everything from edge to edge]

:D

awwww bless

"Flat Earth" LOL
 
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3) Look at the space balloon videos....all of it show the sun close. I don't care what NASA says...the video evidence shows otherwise.


Almost all 'modern cameras' use a Lens to focus on it's subject don't they ?
and record images using a sensor and send data (not graphics)
It makes sense to use the whole of the sensor ? (for better definition)

Man has known for centuries, roughly how distant and how large the Sun is
Likewise, that the earth MUST be roughly 'round' and not a disk that is spinning 'like a coin'
AND must be 'a little squat' around it's waistline too


LOL.... I have another question: "What, is intelligence ?"

Plainly, there are those that have a need, to learn of, CENTRIFUGAL FORCE
 
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Who told you that if an object has mass, it also has gravity? How did they explain gravity? Again, NASA/EINSTEIN NONSENSE.

Newton, actually.

Newton's law of universal gravitation states that any two bodies in the universe attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.[note 1] This is a general physical law derived from empirical observations by what Isaac Newton called induction.[2] It is a part of classical mechanics and was formulated in Newton's work Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica ("the Principia"), first published on 5 July 1687. (When Newton's book was presented in 1686 to the Royal Society, Robert Hooke made a claim that Newton had obtained the inverse square law from him; see the History section below.)


In modern language, the law states: Every point mass attracts every single other point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.[3] The first test of Newton's theory of gravitation between masses in the laboratory was the Cavendish experiment conducted by the British scientist Henry Cavendish in 1798.[4] It took place 111 years after the publication of Newton's Principia and 71 years after his death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation


Verified by Canendish, much later.

The apparatus constructed by Cavendish was a torsion balance made of a six-foot (1.8 m) wooden rod suspended from a wire, with a 2-inch (51 mm) diameter 1.61-pound (0.73 kg) lead sphere attached to each end. Two 12-inch (300 mm) 348-pound (158 kg) lead balls were located near the smaller balls, about 9 inches (230 mm) away, and held in place with a separate suspension system.[8] The experiment measured the faint gravitational attraction between the small balls and the larger ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment
 
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You CANNOT have it both ways. A plane cannot be adjusting for curvature AND not adjusting for curvature at the same time.

Which is it?
Waddaya mean "Not adjusting?" If the altitude is kept constant, the earth's own curve does the adjustment.
 
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