Flat Earth Theory.

Jipsah · Mar 31, 2024

BNR32FAN said:
I don’t see any mention of chaos in the creation account

"Without form and void" Easiest language i the world

BNR32FAN said:
John 1 reveals Jesus as Co-Creator

Co-Creator? "All things were made bn Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made"?

BNR32FAN said:
and managed to accomplish that quite well without any mention of any time period for when He did it or how long it took Him.

Precisely.

BNR32FAN said:
One could rightly say that it was not the author’s intention to discuss when it happened or how long it took because there’s zero information on those topics. Obviously with Genesis 1 that’s not the case.

So you got a few paragraphs that mentioned the time that Genesis. Yeah, that was of primary importance, yessirree. The whole Bible depends on that.

Right.

BNR32FAN said:
According to a lot of people in this thread the days of creation are nothing more than a false man made myth

Nope, just a poetic, metaphorical vew of something that the intended audience could hardly be expected to understand.

BNR32FAN said:
that did not originate from God but originated from man’s own misconceptions about the world. Isn’t that exactly what you were saying in the previous post?

That's what you'd like them to have said, and will probably claim they did say in future references.

Jipsah · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
Same with a level earth.

Deal with these observations' then. Long path HF radio propagation, and the disappearance of the city of Aarhus Denmark as the Copenhagen ferry sails away from town. (It's a pretty dramatic.) Please spare us "with binocs you could sill see the whole thing", no, you can't, the town diappears below the horizon from thebottom, 20X magnification or no. No magicaly appearing "mist". either. Why difffernt time zones? Why does the sun appear to rise and set? Why ships cango from the Atlantic to the Pacific either around Cape Horn, through the Panama Canal, or around the Cape of Good Hope?

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
Polaris is NOT directly above the North Pole. That is a proven fact. And it moves in constant arc around the north celestial pole, which is another proven fact.

Now I know you don't know what your talking about.

Polaris, known as the North Star, sits more or less directly above Earth's north pole
Due to the location of the North Star, all stars move across the night sky, except Polaris.

Is The North Star Always Our North Star? - Astronomicca

I got an awesome question on Twitter! It's about the North Star.

astronomicca.com

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

trophy33 said:
Where is Excalibur? Will the Elves return to Middle-Earth? Where is the home of wisdom? Is the Star Gate still in Egypt?

Lol'z - That's easy - Narnia except for wisdom, it's home is in the Bible

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Jipsah said:
Deal with these observations' then. Long path HF radio propagation, and the disappearance of the city of Aarhus Denmark as the Copenhagen ferry sails away from town. (It's a pretty dramatic.) Please spare us "with binocs you could sill see the whole thing", no, you can't, the town diappears below the horizon from thebottom, 20X magnification or no. No magicaly appearing "mist". either. Why difffernt time zones? Why does the sun appear to rise and set? Why ships cango from the Atlantic to the Pacific either around Cape Horn, through the Panama Canal, or around the Cape of Good Hope?

I'm sure you'll find the answers to most of questions here:

https://www.youtube.com/@DITRH/videos

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
Now I know you don't know what your talking about.

Polaris, known as the North Star, sits more or less directly above Earth's north pole
Due to the location of the North Star, all stars move across the night sky, except Polaris.

Is The North Star Always Our North Star? - Astronomicca

I got an awesome question on Twitter! It's about the North Star.

astronomicca.com

Nope. you obviously pick and choose what you want to believe:

"So the North Star doesn’t appear to move. But it does move. If you took its picture, you’d find that it makes its own little circle around the exact point of the north celestial pole every day. That’s because the North Star is offset a little – by about 0.65 degrees – from celestial north. So Polaris makes a circle that’s 1.3 degrees in diameter each day."

| EarthSky

earthsky.org

And here's a picture of the arc Polaris makes as it constantly moves around the north celestial pole (which is marked by the green dot):

Two hour star trails before and after color correction

A learn by doing approach to astrophotography and iPhoneography. This blog records my learning process and improvements.

www.ericteske.com

That was one of the very first things I learned about Polaris many years ago. The fact that you didn't know it proves you're not really testing your claims beyond what you want to believe.

You really need to speak with amateur astronomers. They'll put you straight (when they stop laughing at your claims that is!)

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

I reckon there's a few here who would benefit from watching this.

75 Bible Verses Prove a Flat Earth

We are naturally desirous of spending time with the thing, animate or inanimate, we love the most. Honestly ask yourself then, do you spend more time with the God of Heaven or the TV? How could we, as professing Christians, waste the free hours the Lord God has graciously given us to serve Him...

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Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
I reckon there's a few here who would benefit from watching this.

75 Bible Verses Prove a Flat Earth

75 Bible Verses Prove a Flat Earth

We are naturally desirous of spending time with the thing, animate or inanimate, we love the most. Honestly ask yourself then, do you spend more time with the God of Heaven or the TV? How could we, as professing Christians, waste the free hours the Lord God has graciously given us to serve Him...

153news.net

Not a one proves any such thing!

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
Nope. you obviously pick and choose what you want to believe:

"So the North Star doesn’t appear to move. But it does move. If you took its picture, you’d find that it makes its own little circle around the exact point of the north celestial pole every day. That’s because the North Star is offset a little – by about 0.65 degrees – from celestial north. So Polaris makes a circle that’s 1.3 degrees in diameter each day."

| EarthSky

earthsky.org

And here's a picture of the arc Polaris makes as it constantly moves around the north celestial pole (which is marked by the green dot):

View attachment 344964

Two hour star trails before and after color correction

A learn by doing approach to astrophotography and iPhoneography. This blog records my learning process and improvements.

www.ericteske.com

That was one of the very first things I learned about Polaris many years ago. The fact that you didn't know it proves you're not really testing your claims beyond what you want to believe.

You really need to speak with amateur astronomers. They'll put you straight (when they stop laughing at your claims that is!)

I never said it didn't move, I said it hardly moves.

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
Not a one proves any such thing!

If you watched it that was quick viewing........

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
I never said it didn't move, I said it hardly moves.

What you said was that it hardly ever moves, which implies that it only moves very occasionally. It's actually moving all the time.

You also said that it is directly above the North Pole, which it isn't.

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
If you watched it that was quick viewing........

Didn't have to, because no verse in the Bible proves a flat earth. And anyone who says it does is lying.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2024

trophy33 said:
John H. Walton (born 1952) is an Old Testament scholar and Professor Emeritus at Wheaton College. He was a professor at Moody Bible Institute for 20 years.[1] He specializes in the Ancient Near Eastern backgrounds of the Old Testament, especially Genesis and its creation account, as well as interpretation of Job.

John H. Walton - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What to say...

At least, you now know that "false" and "superstition" are terms from our cultural river, not applicable to the Old Testament's cultural river.

I don’t understand why you posted that video, the guy doesn’t make any sense at all in his discussion. I’ve shown his error and included time stamps to make them easily accessible. If you’d like to address any of them we can certainly do that.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2024

Jipsah said:
Unarguably part of God's design, aren't they? But you won't find them in the Bible, will you? You have to study God's creation to discover them. You wanna know how God desined it, you have to look at the design itself; the Bible is generally silent on the subject. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I don’t know how you did this but that’s not my post you quoted here.

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
You also said that it is directly above the North Pole, which it isn't.

Yes it is.

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
Didn't have to, because no verse in the Bible proves a flat earth. And anyone who says it does is lying.

Well all's I can say is that you don't know your Bible very well.

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
Yes it is.

No it isn’t. It’s offset. If the earth is flat and the sky rotates around a centre point directly over the North Pole with Polaris at that centre point, then Polaris would not move around the centre point of the sky, which it does in reality.

But since the earth is actually spherical and the earth rotates along its axis running directly from North Pole to South Pole, Polaris also cannot be directly over the North Pole either, because it rotates around the celestial North Pole. Either way Polaris is NOT directly over the North Pole.

You continue to state obviously false information as if you are stating facts.

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
Well all's I can say is that you don't know your Bible very well.

The problem is you are reading & listening to conspiracy theory crackpots rather than proper Bible expositors. Which means you have been duped. Try reading & listening to these creation apologetics groups for example, they have a number of articles on the subject:

Flat Earth? The Bible And Science Say No! · Videos · Creation.com

Creation or evolution? It makes a big difference! Over 10,000 trustworthy articles. Evidence for biblical creation.

creation.com

Is the Earth Flat?

The earth could be both round and flat, if it were disk-shaped. Have we all been fed a whopping lie about the true shape of the earth?

answersingenesis.org

The Firmament: What Did God Create on Day 2?

Considerable disagreement exists in the church about what God made on the second day of Creation Week in Genesis 1.

answersingenesis.org

The Legendary Flat-Earth Bible - Christian Research Institute

This article first appeared in the CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL, volume 36, number 03 (2013). The full text of this article in PDF format can be obtained by clicking here. For further information or to subscribe to the CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL go to...

www.equip.org

A Christian Response to the Flat Earth Resurgence - Creation Experience Museum

For decades now, biblical creationists have had to contend with mockery and derision from those with differing world views, and it’s not uncommon for a belief in creation to be compared to the belief in a flat Earth. Evolutionists use this comparison as a way of showing just how ludicrous they...

creationexperiencemuseum.com

Apple Sky · Mar 31, 2024

Phil G said:
No it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Phil G · Mar 31, 2024

Apple Eye said:
Yes it is.

No it isn't, otherwise it wouldn't move at all, which it does....constantly.

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