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Flat Earth Theory.

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I was discussing the mythology of the Genesis account of creation
Whether you believe that there was beginning is kind of relevant to what is actually observed if you care about observations to formulate models that are reliable to give such things as virtual keyboards
Ok fair enough but I would like to point out that observations to formulate models for the age of the earth began about 150 years ago giving us an age of 20 million years old. Were they right? No they were wrong and the reason they were wrong is because they were lacking adequate information. The same exact problem we have now. Yeah we have more information but there’s still more missing information than what we actually have.
 
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And how do you know how old the pyramids are? Thermoluminescent dating that is based on the assumption that the material they are testing had no radioactive absorption when it was created? Or maybe radiometric dating where they assume that no radioactive isotope decay was present in the material when it was created? The dating methods are based on the assumption of what properties the material contained when it was created. All of the dating methods are based on this assumption. This is a fact, it’s undeniable and when people read the actual studies they learn that scientists don’t deny this fact, it’s included in their studies. That’s why they’re called estimates and predictions because they’re based on the principle that if x and y are true then this material is Z years old.
I'll not going to teach you particle physics
It works
If Moses was so gifted he wouldn't have carved a tablet 2500 years ago (that's kind of harsh but he did do something notable)
The language that existed before him existed
Sorry if the new books weren't written during the time before the pyramid construction
Do you deny the history that is presented as an indefinite duration (yom)?
At least we know people were wandering around without a "Homeland"while others were enjoying agriculture
 
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Hydrogen bonds..,.
Prior to that quantum interactions
Yet no indication of "beginning"
Just prior states for brevity I use that word
Then after hydrogen helium then to eventually carbon and oxygen
Then macromolecules then life the sentience if you can call it that
God reached into Adam's mother and pulled all out; mythology and syllogism
1200 million years of life before that first man, cyanobacterium
Give or take a book
If we find anything, a stick, a rock, a bone, anything at all, there’s no indication that any of these had a beginning. Do we assume they’ve always just existed? We don’t know where they came from or how they got there, we only know that we found them. Yet we don’t assume that they didn’t have a beginning, do we?
 
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I'll not going to teach you particle physics
It works
If Moses was so gifted he wouldn't have carved a tablet 2500 years ago
The language that existed before him existed
Sorry if the new books weren't written during the time before the pyramid construction
Do you deny the history that is presented as an indefinite duration (yom)?
At least we know people were wandering around without a "Homeland"while others were enjoying agriculture
Ok just answer this one question please since you know about particle physics. Do scientists assume that there is no radioactive decay in isotopes at some point and is that not what they base the age of the material on?
 
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If we find anything, a stick, a rock, a bone, anything at all, there’s no indication that any of these had a beginning. Do we assume they’ve always just existed? We don’t know where they came from or how they got there, we only know that we found them. Yet we don’t assume that they didn’t have a beginning, do we?
Who cares what "we" assume.. observations stand in their own
There is no indication of an ex nihlio Creation or "a beginning".
It's just as far back as we can model given current observations

Flat universe is observed
There is no indication of a curved universe therefore to extrapolate given all observations there should be more and more stuff as far as we can look which is limited by our current technology and given our energy to information ratio we should be looking well beyond what we see now and for light to travel that far takes time like a twig on wet clay to dry
 
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Ok just answer this one question please since you know about particle physics. Do scientists assume that there is no radioactive decay in isotopes at some point and is that not what they base the age of the material on?
I don't care to research scientists to satisfy your inquiry
Einstein stuck his tongue out, I saw a picture
Plank was tall from what I know
Janice Joplin could sing and Jimmie Hendrix could play guitar
 
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I don't care to research scientists
But that’s what your whole argument was based on. You’re saying that the pyramids date back farther than 6,000 years and it’s a fact but scientists don’t say that. Scientists actually date the oldest Egyptian pyramid at around 2500 BCE. According to the Bible creation began around 4,000 BCE.
 
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But that’s what your whole argument was based on. You’re saying that the pyramids date back farther than 6,000 years and it’s a fact but scientists don’t say that. Scientists actually date the oldest Egyptian pyramid at around 2500 BCE. According to the Bible creation began around 4,000 BCE.
Yes and where did the language come from and agriculture...
But then again a yom is a yom
 
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And you used the word scientist
I discussed concepts
And language that we have record for goes back about as far as you assign to your yoms... Not quite 6k years though but a yom is a yom
Maybe SpaceX is using yoms to time their rockets
 
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Who cares what "we" assume.. observations stand in their own
There is no indication of an ex nihlio Creation or "a beginning".
It's just as far back as we can model given current observations

Flat universe is observed
There is no indication of a curved universe therefore to extrapolate given all observations there should be more and more stuff as far as we can look which is limited by our current technology and given our energy to information ratio we should be looking well beyond what we see now and for light to travel that far takes time like a twig on wet clay to dry
Ok let’s talk about observations. Let’s say we walk into a room and there’s a glass of water sitting under a faucet and that faucet is dripping 0.05 ml per second. We measure how much water is in the glass and there’s 240 ml in it. So 240 ml multiplied by 0.05 gives us 4,800 seconds. 4,800 seconds gives us 80 minutes or exactly 1 hour and 20 minutes. So according to our observation we can conclude that the glass has been sitting under the leaking faucet for 1 hour and 20 minutes. Then as we look around the room we find a camera pointed at the faucet and we check the video footage and find that someone came in 5 minutes ago, got the glass out of the cabinet, got a drink of water then placed it under the faucet. Well our calculations were correct and our math was correct, but our assumption on how much water was in the glass to begin with was incorrect and that completely thru our observational data right out the window. So we can know the rate at which radioactive isotopes decay and we can measure them correctly and calculate how long ago it was that a particular material didn’t have any isotopic decay but what we can’t know is how much isotopic decay the material had when it was created 6,000 years ago. To say it had zero isotopic decay at some point is an assumption just like assuming the glass of water was empty when it was placed under the leaking faucet. We don’t know what these materials were exposed to during the creation process or how it would’ve affected them, so we can’t actually say that we know how much isotopic decay they should’ve had 6,000 years ago. You can make the same exact argument with radioactive accumulation or C14 decay which is all over the place since C14 levels fluctuate like crazy.
 
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Who cares what "we" assume.. observations stand in their own
There is no indication of an ex nihlio Creation or "a beginning".
It's just as far back as we can model given current observations

Flat universe is observed
There is no indication of a curved universe therefore to extrapolate given all observations there should be more and more stuff as far as we can look which is limited by our current technology and given our energy to information ratio we should be looking well beyond what we see now and for light to travel that far takes time like a twig on wet clay to dry
If you’d like to discuss light travel we can do that. Scientists say that the universe is 13.8 billion years old but somehow we can see light from stars that are 48 billion light years away. A light year is how far light can travel in one year. That’s quite a discrepancy. God said He created the lights in the heavens to be a sign of the seasons. Wouldn’t make much sense if He created them to where man wasn’t able to see them.
 
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Ok let’s talk about observations. Let’s say we walk into a room and there’s a glass of water sitting under a faucet and that faucet is dripping 0.05 ml per second. We measure how much water is in the glass and there’s 240 ml in it. So 240 ml multiplied by 0.05 gives us 4,800 seconds. 4,800 seconds gives us 80 minutes or exactly 1 hour and 20 minutes. So according to our observation we can conclude that the glass has been sitting under the leaking faucet for 1 hour and 20 minutes. Then as we look around the room we find a camera pointed at the faucet and we check the video footage and find that someone came in 5 minutes ago, got the glass out of the cabinet, got a drink of water then placed it under the faucet. Well our calculations were correct and our math was correct, but our assumption on how much water was in the glass to begin with was incorrect and that completely thru our observational data right out the window. So we can know the rate at which radioactive isotopes decay and we can measure them correctly and calculate how long ago it was that a particular material didn’t have any isotopic decay but what we can’t know is how much isotopic decay the material had when it was created 6,000 years ago. To say it had zero isotopic decay at some point is an assumption just like assuming the glass of water was empty when it was placed under the leaking faucet. We don’t know what these materials were exposed to during the creation process or how it would’ve affected them, so we can’t actually say that we know how much isotopic decay they should’ve had 6,000 years ago. You can make the same exact argument with radioactive accumulation or C14 decay which is all over the place since C14 levels fluctuate like crazy.
Let's look at an observation like the Webb telescope has produced
 
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If you’d like to discuss light travel we can do that. Scientists say that the universe is 13.8 billion years old but somehow we can see light from stars that are 48 billion light years away. A light year is how far light can travel in one year. That’s quite a discrepancy. God said He created the lights in the heavens to be a sign of the seasons. Wouldn’t make much sense if He created them to where man wasn’t able to see them.
What's your source?
 
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Yes and where did the language come from and agriculture...
But then again a yom is a yom
Why does it matter where it came from? Doesn’t it matter more when it came from? And if you’d like to discuss Yom we can definitely do that, I’m pretty educated on that particular topic.
 
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Why does it matter where it came from? Doesn’t it matter more when it came from? And if you’d like to discuss Yom we can definitely do that, I’m pretty educated on that particular topic.
Because language is older than the pyramids and agriculture
 
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