Flat earth evidence

[olusanya800]

That isn't true. The Greeks knew it was round.

Thank you

My understanding (and I am more than happy to stand corrected unlike most scientists) is that the Greeks did not know the earth was round, it was no more than a theory that has not even been proved by scientific standards, much like evolution which was never proven by the author or anyone subsequently. Most Greeks accepted the earth was flat as the globe earth theory (fallacy) had not been fully developed at that time



It isn't the fault of science that some Christians refuse to accept facts. That isn't an agenda. That is just people wanting to be sane and not having to deny reality.

According to our colleague (named Florida on this forum), science changes in the light of new information. That is why I have trouble accepting these so called facts.

 

[Loudmouth]

According to our colleague (named Florida on this forum), science changes in the light of new information. That is why I have trouble accepting these so called facts.

So you would trust science more if science held onto disproven ideas?

 

[olusanya800]

So you would trust science more if science held onto disproven ideas?

Sir - I see your point. However my issue with science is that it constantly changes. How can I trust something that says one thing today then changes tommorow and says this is ok. I believe in absolutes. I also believe in moral absolutes. God does not need to change because he created all of this, He was right at the start and will be right forever, no matter what science or man do / change.

 

[Loudmouth]

Sir - I see your point. However my issue with science is that it constantly changes.

But you just affirmed that you would trust science less if it didn't change.

You need to make your mind up.

How can I trust something that says one thing today then changes tommorow and says this is ok.

Why would you ever think that any human is infallible?

I would trust the humans that did their best to follow the evidence over those who refused to change their conclusion in the face of contradictory evidence. Wouldn't you?

I believe in absolutes.

So you wouldn't change your mind, even when the evidence demonstrated that you were wrong?

God does not need to change because he created all of this, He was right at the start and will be right forever, no matter what science or man do / change.

So no evidence would ever change your mind?

And you think this is a characteristic worth celebrating?

 

[olusanya800]

But you just affirmed that you would trust science less if it didn't change.

You need to make your mind up.
Sorry - I dont understand, Im not being flippant Sir - I just dont understand how you say I have not made up my mind? I have been clear that science by its very nature changes. I cant trust sometihng that changes randomly like that.



Why would you ever think that any human is infallible?
I would not. We are infinitely fallible thats why I dont trust myself or your view, but rely on the Word of God

I would trust the humans that did their best to follow the evidence over those who refused to change their conclusion in the face of contradictory evidence. Wouldn't you?
Yes I would for genuinely contradictory evidence and not opinion, conjecture, agenda or a random idea that might change the next day



So you wouldn't change your mind, even when the evidence demonstrated that you were wrong?
Yes Sir, this is just my point and the point I made to Florida, that if you (or anyone) can demonstrate (truly demonstrate) that I am wrong without ridiculing my opinion or being bullied (just a general point not aimed at you) then I of course will change


So no evidence would ever change your mind?
Again true evidence would change my mind

I think the real difference we have here is what real evidence is. What is often called evidence is what I would call at best opinion and at worst a deliberate fabrication of the truth

And you think this is a characteristic worth celebrating?

Being correct is not something worth celebrating. The truth is the truth. If you or anyone can prove me wrong I would happily change my opinion and celebrate the fact that I had been corrected and had come into a knowledge of the truth. Just like when I came into the true knowledge as Jesus as my Lord and Saviour

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

However my issue with science is that it constantly changes

Because humans are not perfect. Could you give some examples of science constantly changing? You seem to imply it changes it's mind once a week. Evolution has held up for over 150 years. If evidence comes out tomorrow that contradicts the theory, we have to change our minds, not plug our ears and pretend the contradictory evidence doesn't exist.

How can I trust something that says one thing today then changes tommorow and says this is ok.

So you don't ever consider you could be wrong about anything?

God does not need to change because he created all of this, He was right at the start and will be right forever, no matter what science or man do / change.

What about slavery?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

If you or anyone can prove me wrong I would happily change my opinion and celebrate the fact that I had been corrected and had come into a knowledge of the truth.

The burden of proof belongs to the one making a positive claim.

 

[olusanya800]

Because humans are not perfect. Could you give some examples of science constantly changing? You seem to imply it changes it's mind once a week. Evolution has held up for over 150 years. If evidence comes out tomorrow that contradicts the theory, we have to change our minds, not plug our ears and pretend the contradictory evidence doesn't exist.

Evolution is not a theory that has been proved. If you can prove it to me I will listen. The author of evolution (Darwin) never fully substianted his theories. From a practical point of view I cannot see the link between ape and man. There are also no beings/creatures in between ape and man. With regard to science changing I am merely quotong a proponent of scientific theory (named Florida on this forum) who says the fact that sceince changes is its strength. Scientist did not know about evolution previous to 150 years ago judging by your account therefore it changed in that it took on a new theory as to how life began. Again evolution is a theory that seeks to discredit the Word of God and will likely change in future to suit itself and its own agenda.



So you don't ever consider you could be wrong about anything?
Of course I could be wrong, Gods Word can never be



What about slavery?

I have been asked about slavery on several occassions. Even though I am of West African origin I would like to think I can put forward my view in an objective way. For clarity I believe you are refering to the transatlantic slave trade of the 18th and 19th Centuries. Lets be clear God never commanded in His word to make any particular race slaves, unlike say do not murder, do not commit adultery etc. God however did use salvery to chastise and discipline His own people in the bible. I would take the same view of the transatlantic slave trade. We were not following God so in a way we left ourselves open to being exploited as we were not under the protection of God due to our own disobedience. This in no way codones the action of those who took part in what today would be an act of terrorism.

 

[ecco]

everybody during the time of the bible knew the earth was flat and under a firmament. Science has an agenda to undermine God and christianity.

Many well-known historical figures who influenced Western science considered themselves Christian such as Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Boyle.

Why would they have an agenda to undermine God and christianity?

One of the ways it does this is by saying earth is a globe and moving. There is no biblical evidence of a globe that is spinning at 1000 mph and moving in orbit at many times this speed.

Sheepherders 6000 years ago believed the earth was flat and stationary. That should surprise no one.
Back then there were a lot of beliefs.

Leviticus 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.​

Do you eat lobster, clams or octopus?

Leviticus 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.​

Do you (or if not yet married, will you) keep your wife apart for seven days every month?

 

[Strathos]

Is this for real?

Arguing about whether the Earth is flat?

SMH.

It's things like this that make me embarrassed to be a Christian sometimes.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

For clarity I believe you are refering to the transatlantic slave trade of the 18th and 19th Centuries.

No, i'm talking about specific instructions in the bible on how to take slaves.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." Leviticus 25:44-46

This in no way codones the action of those who took part in what today would be an act of terrorism.

I agree. Slavery is a disgusting, morally reprehensible practice. The bible however disagrees.

“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed" Malachi 3:6.

If God exists, he doesn't change. But as humans we can understand how our actions and behavior effects those around us. We create our own morality.

 

[olusanya800]

Many well-known historical figures who influenced Western science considered themselves Christian such as Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Boyle.

Why would they have an agenda to undermine God and christianity?
I dont know to be honest Ecco.

I have been going to church 42 years (all my life, Im not that old!!!! hopefully!!!!) and I can tell you not everyone in those churches was a Christian. Adolf Hitler considered himself a Christian, it does not mean he really was. His actions speak for themselves Sir


Sheepherders 6000 years ago believed the earth was flat and stationary. That should surprise no one.
Back then there were a lot of beliefs.

Leviticus 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.​

Do you eat lobster, clams or octopus?
no, isnt lobster expensive?
Acts 10:12-15
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

We are under the new testament and not the old testament law. If we were still under the old testament we would need to have live animal sacrifices in church

Leviticus 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

Again please see above this is old testament law given to the Israelites at the time and not to the Gentile nations. Fair points though. Yes I am married. However we do not consumate when she is menstruating!​

Do you (or if not yet married, will you) keep your wife apart for seven days every month?

 

[Loudmouth]

Being correct is not something worth celebrating.

Say what?

If you or anyone can prove me wrong I would happily change my opinion and celebrate the fact that I had been corrected and had come into a knowledge of the truth.

We have another poster in this thread who would consider this to be wrong. Changing your mind shows that you can't be trusted.

Just like when I came into the true knowledge as Jesus as my Lord and Saviour

Knowledge is backed by evidence. Have any?

 

[olusanya800]

No, i'm talking about specific instructions in the bible on how to take slaves.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." Leviticus 25:44-46

Again this refers to the old testament. I suspect those in slavery were there for a reason. Possibly as a punishment for crimes. I suspect it was little different to being imprisoned and slavemasters were not allowed to kill, injure or maim their slaves, so I suspect in many respects it was the lesser of the two evils compared to prison, but be that as it may, we now live in the new testament and Jesus was quite clear that He came to set the captives free, which He has done. Whilst slavery is reprehensible, I like many Africans are grateful that Europeans brought us the gospel of Jesus Christ. Amongst the colonialsm and slavery there were those Europeans who genuinely broght us the gospel and that is the reason I am here in the UK now living a sin free and crime free life and conversing with you in the way that I am. Ima little sleepy here as its gone midnight in the UK, but it must be early evening in Minnesota Im guessing. Bless you



I agree. Slavery is a disgusting, morally reprehensible practice. The bible however disagrees.

“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed" Malachi 3:6.

If God exists, he doesn't change. But as humans we can understand how our actions and behavior effects those around us. We create our own morality.

 

[Astrophile]

As man has never been to the moon it is hard to say.

Are you old enough to remember the Apollo Moon landings?

 

[juvenissun]

You can measure the angle of the sun in deep wells at the Sun's zenith. That's how the Greeks did it.

Appreciate your answer.
But that is it. No discussion.

 

[morse86]

This guy is sending a space ballon with 360 camera (WITHOUT FISHEYE LENS) and various scientific guages (temperature etc):
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrThriveAndSurvive/videos

It will be on the 29th this month I believe.

We can settle once and for all if the earth is flat or not.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

This guy is sending a space ballon with 360 camera (WITHOUT FISHEYE LENS) and various scientific guages (temperature etc):
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrThriveAndSurvive/videos

It will be on the 29th this month I believe.

We can settle once and for all if the earth is flat or not.

It has been settled many, many years ago.

The
Earth
Is
NOT
Flat.

The fact that we are having this conversation on 2015 is nothing short of diabolical.

 

[morse86]

It has been settled many, many years ago.

The
Earth
Is
NOT
Flat.

The fact that we are having this conversation on 2015 is nothing short of diabolical.

No it has not been settled. Mathematical equations are not reality. You can start by reading the research over at cluesforum.info.

 

[PapaZoom]

This cannot be a serious conversation. Can it? Maybe I read it wrong. Perhaps the OP means the earth is fat. Well that would depend on relation to what? If I was shaped like the earth, I'd be fat. So yes, the earth is fat. And it's definitely flat in Iowa. I was there this summer. Flat flat flat.