Fishing

[Jim123]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hello everyone,

I've noticed very much on tv, and also just out in the world in general that fishing seems to be very much excepted by pretty much all of society as a fun and wholesome activity that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with. Has anyone else on here noticed this?

People don't really give any thought to the fact that it's been proven that fish DO feel actual pain and do literally suffocate to death when pulled out of the water.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on this issue?
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[Jim123]

There's a link that I really wanted to include in this, but I don't have 50 posts yet. It's [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]an excellent and very scientific article called "Do Fish Feel Pain?"

Actually if anyone is interested and wants to check it out, just type "Do fish feel pain" with the quotes into google and then it should be the first result at the top of the page. It's on the website firstscienceDOTcom.
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[Jishuku]

Sadly this area of the forum is pretty empty. Not many vegetarians here it seems.

 

[Jim123]

Hello Jishuku,

I know there are more vegetarians on here. I think they just need to see others posting again and then they will come back.

 

[Avatar]

I fish. And I eat what I catch.

Fish, as with everything else in nature, do die naturally. Now that death is often being eaten alive by other fish. Much more painful, I'd think, than just having a hook in the lip. And if they're swallowed whole they suffocate. So I don't think I'm adding any pain to the universe by fishing. They don't, after all, pass away peacefully in their sleep naturally.

Just my take.

 

[Yardstick]

Why do you get to decide how another creature dies? Have you been blessed with some greater wisdom that allows you to know which death is easier?


When a fish eats another fish its out of necessity. Its a matter of survival. It's natural.

When you fish you are torturing a living being for nothing more than your own enjoyment. It has nothing to do with survival or whats natural. You are torturing an animal for your own entertainment. If you want to do that than fine, but at least admit it.

 

[Jim123]

Thank you all for your responses so far.

That's a good point by Yardstick, Avatar do you have to fish to survive? You can't afford even a jar a peanut butter at the dollar store? Also I agree that we don't know which death is easier for the fish. We know that when fish are pulled out of the water they can't breathe and suffocate to death(thrash around like they're in a great deal of agony). Whereas if it is swallowed whole by a bigger fish, that fish's stomach acids would kill the smaller fish pretty much immediately.

My stance on this, like Yardstick, is that it's not right to play God and decide the fates of these living breathing creatures ourselves unless we truly have to in order to survive.

 

[Avatar]

You're both entitled to your opinions. As I said, I eat what I catch. In so doing that fish is taking the place of something else that I would have eaten instead.

As for playing God, I'm not. I'm playing a human being, an omnivore, just as God made me.

 

[Jim123]

Ok, I don't want to argue with you. Just keep in mind that this is a vegetarian forum here. Ok, God bless.

 

[whatisyourstory]

I don't fish and I don't consider it a harmless family sport. I really don't see fishing as any different than hunting any other living thing.

 

[Yardstick]

You're both entitled to your opinions. As I said, I eat what I catch. In so doing that fish is taking the place of something else that I would have eaten instead.

As for playing God, I'm not. I'm playing a human being, an omnivore, just as God made me.

I havn't stated an opinion. I have stated what it is you do. You kill things because you enjoy killing them. There is no other reason for you to kill them, unless you enjoy it. Do you admit that you enjoy killing living things? If not why are you killing them?

As for God making you an omnivore that is clearly not true. Genesis makes it clear that creation was meant to be vegan. Eating meat is a sign of mans fall.

Besides if you truely were an omnivore you wouldn't need to cook your food. Eat a piece of raw chicken and tell me what happens.

Human teeth:

Omnivore Teeth(Dog):

Carniover Teeth(Cat):

 

[Yardstick]

You're both entitled to your opinions. As I said, I eat what I catch. In so doing that fish is taking the place of something else that I would have eaten instead.

As for playing God, I'm not. I'm playing a human being, an omnivore, just as God made me.

I havn't stated an opinion. I have stated what it is you do. You kill things because you enjoy killing them. There is no other reason for you to kill them, unless you enjoy it. Do you admit that you enjoy killing living things? If not why are you killing them?

As for God making you an omnivore that is clearly not true. Genesis makes it clear that creation was meant to be vegan. Eating meat is a sign of mans fall.

Besides if you truely were an omnivore you wouldn't need to cook your food. Eat a piece of raw chicken and tell me what happens.

Human teeth:

Omnivore Teeth(Dog):

Carniover Teeth(Cat):

 

[Avatar]

I enjoy catching fish. I enjoy eating them. You don't so don't do it.

As for having to cook food, my wife is Inuit. Their diet was almost entirely meat and all of it was raw, for many thousands of years. Raw meat is still eaten in the arctic. My wife has eaten and very much enjoys raw, fish, whale and Caribou. So whatever point you are trying to make about needing to cook meat seems to have fallen flat.

 

[Yardstick]

Are you aware that the Inuit have shorter life spans than most? And this can in part be linked with their heavily animal based diet?

I wouldn't use the Inuit as an example of a succesful animal based diet.

In any case you've admitted you derive pleasure from the suffering of others. That's all I was asking for.

 

[Avatar]

Are you aware that the Inuit have shorter life spans than most? And this can in part be linked with their heavily animal based diet?

I wouldn't use the Inuit as an example of a succesful animal based diet.

On the contrary, I most certainly will use the Inuit as an example of a successful animal based diet. They survived for millenia in hands-down the harshest environment on Earth eating animals exclusively with the exception of a few sparse berries in summer. They are the toughest survivors this Earth has ever seen. They proved that humans can exist not only as omnivores but as exclusive carnivores. No scurvy for them, no rickets either. They got ALL the nutrients they needed from animal flesh.

Their health and lifespan took a nosedive with the introduction of our food and lifestyle. Get your facts straight.

 

[Völuspá]

Fish, as with everything else in nature, do die naturally. Now that death is often being eaten alive by other fish. Much more painful, I'd think, than just having a hook in the lip. And if they're swallowed whole they suffocate. So I don't think I'm adding any pain to the universe by fishing. They don't, after all, pass away peacefully in their sleep naturally.

You are adding more pain to the universe. Since you've ripped a fish out of the water with a hook, now a different fish has to be another fish's lunch. You could just leave the first fish alone in the first place.

My stance on this, like Yardstick, is that it's not right to play God and decide the fates of these living breathing creatures ourselves unless we truly have to in order to survive.

It's okay, Avatar probably wouldn't mind if we tortured and killed him, since he's going to die eventually anyway.

 

[Avatar]

You are adding more pain to the universe. Since you've ripped a fish out of the water with a hook, now a different fish has to be another fish's lunch. You could just leave the first fish alone in the first place.

That first fish that I 'ripped out of the water' was going to eat hundreds, thousands of other fish. I saved all of their lives, or at least extended those lives by killing that first fish. I subtracted many hundreds of times more pain from the universe than I added.

I can play this game too. And, oh wait, I won.

 

[Watergirl]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Hello everyone, [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]I've noticed very much on tv, and also just out in the world in general that fishing seems to be very much excepted by pretty much all of society as a fun and wholesome activity that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with. Has anyone else on here noticed this? [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]People don't really give any thought to the fact that it's been proven that fish DO feel actual pain and do literally suffocate to death when pulled out of the water. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Anyway, what are your thoughts on this issue? [/FONT]

I love to fish. I go fishing and crabbing at least once a week in the summer and my dad and my fiancee fish all year round.

 

[Watergirl]

When you fish you are torturing a living being

Only the ones that have information I need.

 

[oldbetang]

Only the ones that have information I need.