Fish finger fossils show the beginnings of hands

[crossnote]

We've explained it to you carefully several times, but we can't understand it for you. You need to make a little honest effort.

I guess that's why this theory/fact of evolution has increased it's estimates several times by billions of years since I was a kid...and back then (in the '50's) was called the THEORY of evolution!. I'm supposed to place my faith in that kind of science?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your opinion.
If there is a God and He has revealed Himself in the Scriptures then evolution is false or He is lying.

No, this is a logical fallacy. Your interpretation of scripture could still be wrong.

 

[crossnote]

The survival of the fittest to reproduce.

Perhaps Covid-19 should be at the apex of the evolutionary ladder. It reproduces quite robustly.

 

[crossnote]

No, this is a logical fallacy. Your interpretation of scripture could still be wrong.

Could be, but so could the interpretations of the geological data.

 

[MIDutch]

Depends. What are we supposed to be 'evolving' towards? 'Evolve' usually carries the concept of betterment.

No, it doesn't. This is just more evidence that you don't understand, or WANT to understand, what evolution actually is.

There is no "evolving towards". There is no "betterment" (whatever that actually means) requirement for evolution. All that is required is survival and change if environmental factors dictate that change is necessary and the organism has the capacity to change quickly enough to survive the environmental changes, or if the organism can evolve to fill ecological niches left vacant by those same environmental changes. Coelocanths, because of the stable environment in which they live, have not evolved much in the last 400 million years. Coelurosaurian theropod reptiles evolved into birds in only a fraction of that time and then flourished when the Chicxulub meteor wiped out much of the life on the planet and created lots of ecological niches that the birds could fill.

The human (moral?) concept of "betterment" isn't a factor in biological evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess that's why this theory/fact of evolution has increased it's estimates several times by billions of years since I was a kid...and back then (in the '50's) was called the THEORY of evolution!. I'm supposed to place my faith in that kind of science?

No faith is needed, and the dating of the Earth has improved over time. Why wouldn't it?

 

[crossnote]

Your question is poorly worded, but gravity is an excellent example.

Sorry. But the effects of gravity can be repeatedly observed...not evolution.

 

[essentialsaltes]

the apex of the evolutionary ladder

Maybe it was your teachers back in the 1950s and 1960s who should be blamed, since you have 'learned' a very faulty view of what evolution is.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sorry. But the effects of gravity can be repeatedly observed...not evolution.

The facts underlying the principle of faunal succession was repeatedly observed -- that's how it came to be noticed and declared a principle. Life changed over time.

 

[Speedwell]

I guess that's why this theory/fact of evolution has increased it's estimates several times by billions of years since I was a kid...and back then (in the '50's) was called the THEORY of evolution!. I'm supposed to place my faith in that kind of science?

The theory of evolution is still called the theory of evolution. The name hasn't changed. But the theory of evolution, like all scientific theories, was created to explain natural phenomena. In the case of the theory of evolution, that phenomenon is called evolution. What would you expect a theory to be called which was developed to explain evolution? The theory of chocolate cake?

The theory of evolution does not itself make claim that evolution occurred; that is taken as a given. That evolution occurred is a fact. The purpose of the theory is to explain how it happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Could be, but so could the interpretations of the geological data.

That is a possibility. That is why scientists continually test and confirm their claims. Creationist claims have been refuted. Those that have been accepted have been confirmed continually. Again, no faith needed when testing confirms one's claims.

 

[MIDutch]

Ok, what was once a theory is now called a fact and what was once called a fact is now a theory.
So when this forum calls it the theory of evolution, they take it for a fact. Sometime since I was in college (in the '60's) the definition of theory has changed to mean what once was called 'fact'. Oh well.
BTW how many repeated observations has evolution undergone?

Wow. You don't even try, do you?

What part of ... evolution has always been a fact for the entire 3+ billion years that organisms have been evolving ... do you not understand?

 

[crossnote]

Many millions.

So that could not be evolution taking millions of years. Otherwise we could see evolution across species on a daily basis.

 

[Speedwell]

Perhaps Covid-19 should be at the apex of the evolutionary ladder. It reproduces quite robustly.

There is no evolutionary "ladder" nor any "apex."

 

[crossnote]

Ok. It's been fun (6 against one). Sorry if I haven't got to all your responses, I just have to go now.

 

[Ophiolite]

Maybe it was your teachers back in the 1950s and 1960s who should be blamed, since you have 'learned' a very faulty view of what evolution is.

In fairness to the teachers, there are instances of knowledge falling on stony ground.

So that could not be evolution taking millions of years. Otherwise we could see evolution across species on a daily basis.

You seem determined to misunderstand or misinterpret everything. Until you show a genuine willingness to attempt to absorb what you are being told I have no interest in further communication with you. Deliberate contrariness may seem to you to be affirmation of your beliefs. From here it looks very much like a lack of integrity.

Ok. It's been fun (6 against one).

There may have been six members, but there has only been one viewpoint.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry. But the effects of gravity can be repeatedly observed...not evolution.

Tell that to the persons researching the Covid-19 virus.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So that could not be evolution taking millions of years. Otherwise we could see evolution across species on a daily basis.

"Across species" is an inexact term. We can regularly observe speciation. That is by definition "macroevolution". It is not the strawman version of evolution. One thing to remember in evolution is that there is no "change of kind". Man never stopped being an ape because he still is an ape. Creationists often demand to see things that would refute the theory of evolution to "prove it".

 

[pitabread]

Sorry. But the effects of gravity can be repeatedly observed...not evolution.

Biological evolution is the change in populations of organisms over time. It is continuously observed.

 

[loveofourlord]

I guess that's why this theory/fact of evolution has increased it's estimates several times by billions of years since I was a kid...and back then (in the '50's) was called the THEORY of evolution!. I'm supposed to place my faith in that kind of science?

I'm starting to think to call poe after this, it's been explained to you a dozen times, if yor not going to learn basic level science then how can we take anything you say about evolution seriously.

Scientific theory THE ONLY ONE EVER USED, it's the explanation of how something works, it has nothing to do with the common usage, if your going to speak about things, use the words how scientists have always used it, it just makes you look like a joke.