First born

[bhsmte]

Poor Alex was not a Human, since he, like prehistoric people, did NOT descend from Adam, the common ancestor of all Humans. The flaw is found in the false ToE which obviously believes in magic since it teaches that Humans descended from the common ancestor of Apes. That's also WHY we call it a "Religion" since it has NO evidence to support it's "belief" in the magic of Evolism which CANNOT be repeated.

LOL and major league projection.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Human intelligence is not physical but is like God's intelligence, which is also not physical. Can you tell us where to find this intelligence? Of course not and neither can today's science define the difference between Human and animal intelligence, BUT they know the limitations on animals is caused by their inability to reason.

-_- it's literally a consequence of brain activity, Aman. If it weren't, strokes wouldn't result in impaired intelligence. Notice how damage to any other organ doesn't impact intelligence, but damage to the brain does. We can even measure learning, because as we learn, the brain changes shape. How well you remember a given thing is due to the type of connections neurons have with each other. The more effort and practice you put into remembering something, the more efficient the type of connection formed.

Mentally challenged Humans have a disorder either invisibly or physically but they are still Humans, who are destined to have dominion or rule Gen 1:28 over dogs, and EVERY other living creature, including Angels. 1Co 6:3 Godless Evolutionists teach that Humans are lower than Angels because we are nothing but evolved Apes. Their idea of the proper "pecking order" is in serious need of correction.

-_- I don't view humans as lower than angels because I don't even believe angels exist. What are you even talking about?

The relevance comes about when you study and notice that Noah was a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human. Noah INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

-_- I don't need a bible quote to know that Noah was a descendant of Adam.

Just going by what others have told me about UCA being the beginning of ALL life on this Earth. Do you disagree?

To an extent, yes. I think it is quite possible that life started on this planet multiple times, and that the very first thing that would have qualified as alive may not have been the same organism that gave rise to the shared lineage of animals, plants, etc. Could have easily died out and an organism that came from an independent lineage to the first living organism is the UCA.

I go by what is written in Gen 4:17-22 which shows the advanced technology of Cain's descendants and the fact that Adam was a farmer and Cain built a city. Those are traits of modern Humans, WITHOUT the Millions of years of magical evolution claimed to produce these traits. You don't need evolution is you have enough intelligence.

Evolution doesn't produce innovations. People do. Agriculture is independent of evolution. Humans do not grow crops without being taught to, just like humans do not build cars without being taught to. Hunter gatherers do not have a lot of spare time to come up with innovations, which is why the invention of farming took so long.

Since the big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day, Gen 1:16 we know that it was late on the 3rd Day before the big bang happened, since each of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time. Can you explain HOW ancient men knew this?

-_- they didn't. Nowhere in the bible is it explicitly stated that the days mentioned in the Genesis creation story aren't literal days, you just know it wouldn't match reality if they were, so you act as if they aren't. But you very well know that the bible, by itself, doesn't imply that billions of years occurred. In fact, I bet that the word "billion" isn't even in the bible.

and correctly wrote what it took today's scientists thousands of years to discover?

They simply didn't. You know that not a single person will correctly conclude that the universe is billions of years old just by reading the bible. Basically put, if you need outside documents to make a conclusion, the bible itself doesn't imply or state it.

Since mankind is wicked and the longer we live, the more wicked we become as our sins mount up, Jesus/Lord God changed the length of time man lived on our Planet, as opposed to life on Adam's Earth. Cutting lifespans by almost 90% assures that more people will have a chance for Heaven.

Not when going to heaven centers on belief, not behavior. More time equally gives chance to deconverting and converting, so longer or shorter lives has no impact on salvation.

In the end, mankind would totally destroy Humanity AND the present Earth, unless Jesus returns to save us. Mat 24:22 Such is the end of mankind's evil.

Maybe, or maybe an asteroid will hit us with enough force to bring us to the brink. Lots of ways for life on this planet to be destroyed.

Except, Jesus told us that Angels don't marry nor are given in marriage. Mat 22:30 Angels are NOT made of flesh since they live in Heaven and flesh cannot enter Heaven. 1Co 15:50 The Angels who left Heaven to follow Satan are bound in chains waiting for Judgment. Jde 1:6

XD that's what we non-Christians call "biblical contradictions".

I don't claim the Bible tells us everything. What I post is that the AGREEMENT of Scripture science and history is the best measure to follow. According to the History of the first Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) it happened 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us in Gen 8:4.

Except they don't. Oldest known city is Uruk, at about 6 thousand years old. Much later than you claim.

They lived like the animals they descended from for some 6 Million years after they diverged from Chimps. They lived like animals, never planted a crop, nor built a house, until the Ark arrived 11k years ago.

-_- you are neglecting artwork, which predates 11 thousand years ago. Who are you to define what LEARNED BEHAVIORS are "human" and which are "animal"? Also, history distinctly disagrees with you, and crops may have been grown well before that point. Also, portable houses, sir. People used those before confining themselves to buildings of stone.

Since then, the History of Human civilization has sent Humans to the moon and back IN less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps.

Innovations build upon prior innovations. That is, the more we invent, the faster new inventions will be generated. It's not rocket science. Also, just to be cheeky, I feel like mentioning that dogs went to space before humans did.

Agreed. Maybe the Holy Spirit put in some of the superstitions of ancient men just to show their foolishness. Have you noticed that most of the disagreement between posters involves the superstitious views of ancient men who lived thousands of years before science?

Only because Christianity is a topic of discussion so much on this site. Hardly a shock.

I call them Caves since Cavemen didn't build houses. Only Humans do.

-_- that structure I mentioned is not a cave. You know very well that the chances that the first house built would also be the one that stood the test of time is exceedingly unlikely.



Sure they do and they also have the superior intelligence Adam was made with, even though Adam never took a step on our planet.

Chimps are NOT Humans and can NEVER be since they are innocent, unlike Humans.

Oh, so innocent, when they steal another chimp's infant out of grief and jealousy after their own has died. The group as a whole doesn't just ignore that either. But hey, would you say an 8 year old child has no grasp of morality? Because that's about as smart as non-human apes can get.

Instinct is indicated whereas Humans live by reasoning.

How chimps react to theft is not instinct, as different groups handle it differently.

History disagrees with the false ToE since the ToE has NO idea where Humans had our origin. That is WHY they made up the incomplete ToE and forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:3-7 explains.

In actual science, there isn't any evidence for the biblical flood. Also, human origins are explained, just not in the same way you'd explain it, so you consider the explanation invalid. That makes your assertion that there is no explanation give exceedingly misleading.

I have God's Word for it and that Word AGREES with History and the scientific Fact that Humans have the DNA of prehistoric people AND the superior intelligence of Adam which is like God's. Gen 3:22

-_- I need a measurable physical difference. If you have none to give, say nothing.

Sure they would. It's similar to a white woman being taken by Indians in the old west...BUT the Lord knew it would produce more Humans which are available to fill His perfect 3rd Heaven, where we will live AFTER our Cosmos is burned. Until Heaven is filled, we will continue to live on the present 6th Day in the creation of the perfect Heaven. God Bless you

I see no way in which secluding the "correct religion" to a smaller area would increase the number of believers overall in the future. In fact, if every region had the same religion to begin with, it'd make it seem more obviously the "correct" religion and greatly reduce deconversion.

 

[Aman777]

That Alex was an animal that wasn't human is what invalidates your claim that only the descendants of Adam have inherited the ability to speak.

Amen, my post stands unless you can have Alex or ANY other animal post to this board. Only those who have descended from Adam have the superior intelligence it takes to be able to create, speak and post. Birds mimic what their owners have told them.

*** You have it backwards. The ToE is not magic or religion because it provides a scientific explanation for human evolutionary origins based on multiple independent lines of factual evidence; and scientific theories are not 'believed in' except as the best current explanation - they're all provisional and open to falsification.

Amen, and that is all I ask. Correct the part of the Theory which claims that Humans descended from Apes, or show us another Ape which has magically changed into a Human, with the superior intelligence of God. Gen 3:22 You cannot, since the ONLY way you can is to agree with what God told us happened when prehistoric people changed into Humans within ONE generation. Gen 10:8

*** Magic is the (mythical) application of supernatural forces or powers that have no explanation. Religion is the belief in and worship of personified supernatural powers or forces (i.e. magical forces). Thus God is the personification of magic.

Religion is the ENEMY of God's Truth. I am a Christian who has been born again Spiritually in Christ, thus I have NO religion. Religion is the 30k plus denominations which do NOT agree with Scripture, Science and History. Christianity does IF you have the proper interpretation of Genesis. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Honesty, is it? I suppose you can be honestly mistaken. Darwin himself set out on his voyages as an orthodox Anglican, expecting to find various regions or centres of creation where species originated. What he discovered confounded that expectation. When his joint paper with Wallace on evolution was presented to the Linnean Society, and his book was published, the majority of scientists in the field were also orthodox Christians, bible believers. They were taken aback at first, but over time most were honest enough to acknowledge that the theory, supported by over 20 years of evidence collected by Darwin, was almost certainly correct. This was all before they had molecular genetics or a significant fossil record as independent corroborations.

Even many in the Church of England accepted it, and thought this was a significant advance in knowledge - revealing the elegance and simplicity of the operation of God's creation.

They accepted the theory as the best explanation for the available evidence, despite their previous beliefs. Now that's a real example of honesty.

My disagreement is NOT with descent with modifications which Darwin taught. My disagreement is with the FALSE assumption that this means that Humans descended from Apes, which is currently being taught as Fact in elementary Schools. The sons of God (prehistoric people) did descend from the common ancestor of Apes and that knowledge should be changed in the ToE since they did NOT evolve into Humans.

Humans (descendants of Adam) came from Adam's world which was totally destroyed in the flood. The entire story is told in ll Peter 3:3-7 and calls the Scoffers of the last days, and their "willingly ignorant" idea that nothing has changed since the beginning, FALSE.

1. The Scoffers rejected God's Truth in Genesis and forgot about the flood which TOTALLY destroyed Adam's entire world/Kosmos. It's gone, thus the beginning history of Humanity is gone. This changes the entire ToE and shows that Humans were made long BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes.
2. These SAME Scoffers of the last days REJECT God's Truth that our Cosmos is going to BURN. Are you a Scoffer of the last days? or do you believe God?

 

[Aman777]

-_- it's literally a consequence of brain activity, Aman. If it weren't, strokes wouldn't result in impaired intelligence. Notice how damage to any other organ doesn't impact intelligence, but damage to the brain does. We can even measure learning, because as we learn, the brain changes shape. How well you remember a given thing is due to the type of connections neurons have with each other. The more effort and practice you put into remembering something, the more efficient the type of connection formed.

Amen. i can always count on you to teach me something. Brain activity is invisible electric activity, thus not seen. Heb 11:1

*** -_- I don't view humans as lower than angels because I don't even believe angels exist. What are you even talking about?

The pecking order in the creation is The Trinity, Jesus, Humankind, Angels and innocent animals. Godless evolution is wrong since it is ignorant of the pecking order. It falsely teaches our babies that they are nothing but animals.

*** -_- I don't need a bible quote to know that Noah was a descendant of Adam.

Noah's grandsons brought the Human intelligence of Adam to our Planet. IF this had NOT happened, we would still be Cavemen, today.

*** To an extent, yes. I think it is quite possible that life started on this planet multiple times, and that the very first thing that would have qualified as alive may not have been the same organism that gave rise to the shared lineage of animals, plants, etc. Could have easily died out and an organism that came from an independent lineage to the first living organism is the UCA.

Amen, but where did UCA come from. According to God, He commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created and brought forth from Water. Gen 1:21 Since then, we have also learned that ALL life, including those which move and those which don't (grass, coral, trees etc) also came from Water. NO ancient man knew this scientific Fact discovered last year. It's proof of God.

**Evolution doesn't produce innovations. People do. Agriculture is independent of evolution. Humans do not grow crops without being taught to, just like humans do not build cars without being taught to. Hunter gatherers do not have a lot of spare time to come up with innovations, which is why the invention of farming took so long.

Why don't evolutionists notice the dramatic change which has happened in less than 1% of the time since we diverged from Chimps? For 99% of the time, we lived as animals. In the past 1% of time, we have gone to the Moon and back BECAUSE of the change in intelligence, and scoffers don't seem to have noticed.

*** -_- they didn't. Nowhere in the bible is it explicitly stated that the days mentioned in the Genesis creation story aren't literal days, you just know it wouldn't match reality if they were, so you act as if they aren't. But you very well know that the bible, by itself, doesn't imply that billions of years occurred. In fact, I bet that the word "billion" isn't even in the bible.

Amen, but when you realize that TODAY is, the 6th Day, since the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 has NEVER happened in the PAST, billions of years is required. We also know that the beginning of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4. Six minus three equals 3 Days/Ages in God's time and each Day is 3 DIVIDED into the 13.8 Billion years, in man's time. It's more than 4.5 Billion years, in man's time, for each of God's Days. God is not subject to the movement of the stars within our Cosmos since He is in the 3rd Heaven.

*** They simply didn't. You know that not a single person will correctly conclude that the universe is billions of years old just by reading the bible. Basically put, if you need outside documents to make a conclusion, the bible itself doesn't imply or state it.

The penners didn't know ANY of the details of the Bible. ONLY the Christians of the last days before Jesus returns have the increased knowledge to understand Genesis or any other portion of the Bible. Daniel 12:4 God hid His Truth in the FUTURE discoveries of the Science of the last days. This assured that only by Faith, which is a Gift from God, can anyone be saved.

*** Not when going to heaven centers on belief, not behavior. More time equally gives chance to deconverting and converting, so longer or shorter lives has no impact on salvation.

Sure it does. More people can inhabit the planet IF they have lifespans shorter than 900 years. If today's Humans lived that long, our planet couldn't feed the living people.

***Maybe, or maybe an asteroid will hit us with enough force to bring us to the brink. Lots of ways for life on this planet to be destroyed.

It's a promise and as sure of coming about as tomorrow.

***XD that's what we non-Christians call "biblical contradictions".

Those who see contradictions are announcing to the world that they don't believe God. If they did, they would study more and find out their mistakes in interpretation.

*** Except they don't. Oldest known city is Uruk, at about 6 thousand years old. Much later than you claim.

It's typical of cities in the area which took the name of previous cities. The name Erech/Uruk means "seat" like a county seat. It is the 2nd city made by Nimrod, the son of Noah's grandson Cush. The 1st city made by Nimrod was Babel, which was built in Northern Mesopotamia. Bablylon, in Southern Mesopotamia was named AFTER Babel and confuses many scholars.

***-_- you are neglecting artwork, which predates 11 thousand years ago. Who are you to define what LEARNED BEHAVIORS are "human" and which are "animal"? Also, history distinctly disagrees with you, and crops may have been grown well before that point. Also, portable houses, sir. People used those before confining themselves to buildings of stone.

I use Human behaviors as those defined on Adam's Earth. Adam was a farmer, and Cain was also a farmer Gen 4:2 who built a city. Gen 4:17 Cain descendants lived in tents and had cattle, Gen 4:20 while some played harps and organs, and other had smelting, iron and brass.Gen 4:22 Remember that all of this happened on Adam's Earth BEFORE the Ark came to the present Earth. Since I support what I post with Scripture, it's easy to find support for my views. Artwork is not one of those listed.

***Innovations build upon prior innovations. That is, the more we invent, the faster new inventions will be generated. It's not rocket science. Also, just to be cheeky, I feel like mentioning that dogs went to space before humans did.

Amen, but some never returned. Those poor old Russian dogs paid the ultimate price for science.

*** Only because Christianity is a topic of discussion so much on this site. Hardly a shock.

-_- that structure I mentioned is not a cave. You know very well that the chances that the first house built would also be the one that stood the test of time is exceedingly unlikely.

Amen, and some "so called" scientists find a hole in the ground and seek grants to find out IF Caveman might have built the first house there 50k years ago. Just send the money and the "scientist" will take a few years to figure it out.

Aman:>>Sure they do and they also have the superior intelligence Adam was made with, even though Adam never took a step on our planet.

*** Oh, so innocent, when they steal another chimp's infant out of grief and jealousy after their own has died. The group as a whole doesn't just ignore that either. But hey, would you say an 8 year old child has no grasp of morality? Because that's about as smart as non-human apes can get.

That's all because of sex. IF the same Ape could produce children with Humans, the offspring would inherit Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's, Gen 3:22 BUT sex between kinds (common ancestors) prevents it.

*** How chimps react to theft is not instinct, as different groups handle it differently.

Not in the Human community since we have Laws, in our Legal System, just as God taught us.

*** In actual science, there isn't any evidence for the biblical flood. Also, human origins are explained, just not in the same way you'd explain it, so you consider the explanation invalid. That makes your assertion that there is no explanation give exceedingly misleading.

Correction: There is physical testable evidence at the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey. It's the bottom of Adam's solid firmament which protected Adam's Earth, for Billions of years, from the water into which Adam's firmament was placed. Genesis 1:6-8

*** -_- I need a measurable physical difference. If you have none to give, say nothing.

It would be easy if scientists would learn that His kind and Their kind is the reason for the thousands of times increase in the population of living Humans. Instead, they are stuck in the past by their faith in the false ToE.

***I see no way in which secluding the "correct religion" to a smaller area would increase the number of believers overall in the future. In fact, if every region had the same religion to begin with, it'd make it seem more obviously the "correct" religion and greatly reduce deconversion.

Deconversion is a lie from the pits since Christians are those IMHO who have been born again Spiritually. Romans 8:9 It's the same as you claiming not to be a Human. You will always be a Human, no matter how much you think your are not. Born again Christians are born into the 3rd Heaven and Jesus will not fail to bring us home. God Bless you

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Amen, my post stands unless you can have Alex or ANY other animal post to this board. Only those who have descended from Adam have the superior intelligence it takes to be able to create, speak and post. Birds mimic what their owners have told them.

Sadly, Alex is dead. But there's plenty of evidence of animals using symbolic language to communicate. Asking them to be able to post on this board is like expecting you to write a book on Shinto in Japanese using calligraphy.

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Correct the part of the Theory which claims that Humans descended from Apes, or show us another Ape which has magically changed into a Human, with the superior intelligence of God. Gen 3:22 You cannot, since the ONLY way you can is to agree with what God told us happened when prehistoric people changed into Humans within ONE generation. Gen 10:8

The theory derives from the simplest interpretation of the observed data, which is factual. It is what it is. It will only change if new data comes to light that indicates a change is necessary. It doesn't claim that apes magically turn into humans - humans are one of many species of ape, most of them extinct.

Religion is the ENEMY of God's Truth. I am a Christian who has been born again Spiritually in Christ, thus I have NO religion. Religion is the 30k plus denominations which do NOT agree with Scripture, Science and History. Christianity does IF you have the proper interpretation of Genesis. Amen?

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

My disagreement is NOT with descent with modifications which Darwin taught. My disagreement is with the FALSE assumption that this means that Humans descended from Apes, which is currently being taught as Fact in elementary Schools. The sons of God (prehistoric people) did descend from the common ancestor of Apes and that knowledge should be changed in the ToE since they did NOT evolve into Humans.

The evidence indicates, beyond reasonable doubt, that human did evolve from the common ancestor of apes.

If you think that's wrong and you want to change it, I suggest you get out there and dig up some archaeological evidence to support your hypothesis, then you'll need to show how the molecular genetics research is mistaken. Good luck with that.

 

[lesliedellow]

Religion is the ENEMY of God's Truth. I am a Christian who has been born again Spiritually in Christ, thus I have NO religion. Religion is the 30k plus denominations which do NOT agree with Scripture, Science and History. Christianity does IF you have the proper interpretation of Genesis. Amen?

I think we should all bow down before Aman777, who alone is the Great and Wise One.

 

[pitabread]

I am a Christian who has been born again Spiritually in Christ, thus I have NO religion.

Christianity is a religion. You claim you are a Christian. Ergo, you believe in a religion.

 

[SkyWriting]

Can anyone provide physical evidence of the first mammal that was born? What was the mother (species) and what was the father (species) Not interested in speculation, conjecture, beliefs, I am looking for something that can stand up to a challenge?

Up front, I do not believe anyone can provide such evidence but I have been wrong before and this may be one of those times, time will tell.

All historical events are a matter of belief and faith. All of them.
Even from an hour ago.
My dad has dementia, so I know this to be a fact.
He recently accused my mother of sleeping with his best friend
even though my dad went to his funeral years ago.

 

[Aman777]

Sadly, Alex is dead. But there's plenty of evidence of animals using symbolic language to communicate. Asking them to be able to post on this board is like expecting you to write a book on Shinto in Japanese using calligraphy.

My point is simple. ONLY Humans have the superior intelligence necessary to post. If you don't believe me, then have a non-Human animal post. You cannot since they don't have the necessary Human intelligence which only God and Adam have. Gen 3:22 That is what separates Human and animal (prehistoric people) and WHY Science has mis-classified Humans. We are NOT and Never have been descendants of Apes. Our DNA was contaminated by the sons of God (prehistoric people) when the Ark arrived since Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry.

 

[Aman777]

The evidence indicates, beyond reasonable doubt, that human did evolve from the common ancestor of apes.

If you think that's wrong and you want to change it, I suggest you get out there and dig up some archaeological evidence to support your hypothesis, then you'll need to show how the molecular genetics research is mistaken. Good luck with that.

It's simple. Today's Science is ignorant of where Humans had our origin. IF they knew, they would know that we came from another world, which was totally destroyed in the flood. We arrived 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us Gen 8:4 AND History agrees.

 

[Aman777]

I think we should all bow down before Aman777, who alone is the Great and Wise One.

False, since that's Jesus. Read and study Genesis for a lifetime, like I have, and you too will be able to understand it. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Christianity is a religion. You claim you are a Christian. Ergo, you believe in a religion.

Religion is man's attempt to know God.
Christianity is God in you.
Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Religion is man's attempt to know God.
Christianity is God in you.
Amen?

No.

 

[lesliedellow]

False, since that's Jesus. Read and study Genesis for a lifetime, like I have, and you too will be able to understand it. God Bless you

Oh, I do read it - but without going off into fantasy land, where I alone on Earth know what I am talking about, and all the many many scholars, who have studied Genesis for the last 2,000 years, have all got it completely wrong. But now, at last, conceited old me comes along to set everything to rights.

 

[pitabread]

Religion is man's attempt to know God.
Christianity is God in you.
Amen?

Need a dictionary? Definition of RELIGION

 

[Loudmouth]

I always have and NO evolutionist can refute it. All they can manage to do is accuse me of being uneducated or stupid. NONE of them can find ANY evidence which is not easily refuted by me. A good example is the following Map of the Fertile Crescent which shows the FIRST Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans, began on our Earth, exactly where the Ark arrived.
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Where is the evidence that there is any ark at that location?

We don't have to refute bare assertions.

 

[Aman777]

No.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. KJV

 

[Aman777]

Oh, I do read it - but without going off into fantasy land, where I alone on Earth know what I am talking about, and all the many many scholars, who have studied Genesis for the last 2,000 years, have all got it completely wrong. But now, at last, conceited old me comes along to set everything to rights.

It accomplished God's will that ONLY by Faith, which is a Gift of God, lest any man boast, Eph 2:8 UNTIL the "last days" before Jesus returns, when God will pour out His Spirit of Truth upon ALL flesh, which includes ALL unbelievers Joe 2:28 scoffers, and scientists. That's God's Truth Scripturally IF you can understand Genesis. God Bless you