First born

[bhsmte]

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Yeah, I am sure now you were Catholic.

Errors, no errors, just your misunderstanding of Spiritual things, as it says in the Bible, you are out of the loop of understanding being a natural man.

It's really to bad too, it can lead you to Salvation, but your to smart for that......Some day.

Dont worry, you can still believe in what you do, even if others disagree with you.

 

[lesliedellow]

What is PROVES is that Noah was a Human male since Apes don't have enough sense to grow grapes and make wine and they don't know HOW to get naked or make a Tent. This is testable evidence of the arrival of Humans, 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat. Amen?

Apes know how to do all those things, if they happen to belong to a species known as homo sapiens.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why should the DNA be different? What you are suggesting is that God, the Creator, is incapable of making Human DNA and prehistoric people's DNA match. How many studies have been made to find the difference 11k years ago? Any?

All studies of ancient human DNA are, in part, to compare it to modern human DNA and to the other ancient DNA already studied. They wouldn't have to expect to see a notable difference at your claimed 11 thousand year turning point to notice the difference. Furthermore, since intelligence is a physical aspect, it's measurable. So, unless you are going to claim that human intelligence itself is supernatural, and thus not fully measurable, you cannot claim that it wouldn't be detectable through comparisons of "prehistoric peoples" and their hybrids with "true humans". However, you are abandoning science and history entirely if you do claim that our intelligence in and of itself is supernatural.

Wonderful! You are so insightful. The Bible doesn't say the DNA will be the same BUT it allows the superior Intelligence of Adam, which is like God's, Gen 3:22 to enter the brains of children of prehistoric people, who have offspring with Humans. It's is HOW God has produced the 7.4 Billion Humans alive today. We can't prove it with the DNA but we can prove it since Humans have the highest intelligence level of ANY other creature on planet Earth.

-_- whether we existed or not, some organism on this planet would be the holder of "most intelligent on the planet". Our species being the tentative holder of it doesn't make our intelligence specifically theologically relevant. Especially considering that what we are actually best at is basic problem solving and, in most other areas, are beaten by other species. As examples, chimpanzees have better memories, and many birds have better spatial reasoning. Also, what about the humans that have debilitating disorders that make them less intelligent than a dog?

Genesis 3: 22 is before Noah was even born or the claimed hybridization you mention as following the flood, so it has absolutely no relevance to you concerning that matter.

A coral reef doesn't move but it also came from L.U.C.A. which came from WATER in total agreement with Gen 1:21 AND L.U.C.A. did move.

All evidence would suggest that the UCA wouldn't have moved. Otherwise, all living things would be liable to move.

Amen. What I have found in more than 30 years of study seeking the agreement of Scripture, science and history is that Genesis chapter one is filled with some evidence, which Science has only recently discovered. The multiverse, where life first began, and how we changed from prehistoric to human are some examples. There are too many examples for it NOT to be true. When you combine this with historic Truth of where Human civilization began, it becomes very interesting.

-_- where human civilization began was not in the fertile crescent. One could even argue that the beginning of culture predates our species entirely, just like the invention of fire and molding basic tools does.

Another agreement with today's scientific discoveries since the FIRST Stars lit up less than 1 billion years after the big bang. This means it was late on the 3rd Day when this happened Gen 2:4 since it was less than a billion years and the FIRST Stars lit up on the 4th Day Gen 1:16 and each of God's Days is more than 4 Billion years in man's time.

Actually, some stars, for whatever reason, date as being older than the universe itself does. Not sure what gaps in our knowledge are causing that. Personally, I would conclude that the universe is a bit older than previously thought, and that stars could have been produced directly as a result of the Big Bang.

The Lord KNEW that the SAME thing which happened on Adam's Earth, would be repeated on planet Earth. The thoughts of the Humans on Adam's Earth were only evil continually Gen 6:5 and it's the same on Earth today. That is WHY the Lord cut our lifespans to some 10% of what they were on Adam's Earth. This allows more people to be made who can choose Heaven or Not. It's God's way of filling His perfect Heaven.

-_- lifespan need not be shorter to produce more people. If a deity wanted more people to be born, then reducing gestation period would do the trick. Also, you are just going to abandon your claim that the events at Babel benefited humanity? Because you aren't addressing the fact that causing people to not understand each other is not helpful.

This event produced 7.4 living Humans (Adam's descendants) over the face of the whole Earth while not allowing Humans to get together and do evil things.

-_- terrorist organizations still ended up existing. Many of the evils people commit they did by themselves in the first place, such as murder and rape. Plus, language barriers as a limit to cooperation between people has been greatly reduced over the years, seeing as people can be multilingual. There's even an app for phones that isn't a bad translator. Not only is understanding people unnecessary to commit evils, but lack of understanding allows perpetrators to more easily dehumanize their victims.

It's another indication of the last days since the Internet has brought us all back together and this will bring the end quicker.

-_- people have always been saying "the end is near". However, the bible explicitly states that no one will expect the end when it comes, so you should only be concerned if no one is saying "the end is near".

I'm talking about Humans who were FIRST made. You are confusing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (descendants of Adam). Today, the Aborigines are Humans showing that sometime in the past, one of Noah's descendants was placed among them. One is all it takes.

Since you have abandoned any sources of information that could have confirmed or disproved your claim, it has no weight. Also, "sons of God" aren't "prehistoric peoples". I looked more into it. The conclusion with the most evidence behind it is that it refers to angels.

Depends on which source you check. It matters NOT to me since I know it happened some 10-12k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey.

-_- you already claimed 11 thousand years ago. Or are you admitting the bible doesn't say a date?

That is WHY I wish today's scientists would identify prehistoric people from Humans. They don't because no one has told them the difference and they all worship at the Altar of Evolism. They become arrogantly nasty when their precious ToE is questioned.

So the difference IS measurable, according to you. I'm all ears, how are people that predate 11 thousand years ago physically distinct from people born after that point?

IF Genesis 1:21 and science is correct, ALL life came from water, which means that 3,000 years ago, when the Bible first appeared, ONLY God knew that. Such knowledge is proof of the Literal God whether coral reefs move or not.

Genesis 1:11 claims that plants came from land, even though science depicts all life originating from the oceans, including plants. Genesis 1: 24 has groups of animals coming from the land rather than from the water.

Then show us the study which contradicts History and Scripture. I doubt that you will find it since I'm sure you've already looked for it.

-_- why would it need to contradict both? You demand that your position has science, history, and scripture all in agreement. So, only one of them has to conflict with one of the other two to destroy your basic premise. Also, the entire modern understanding of genetics conflicts with the biblical claim that one could influence the coloration of livestock by making them stare at branches while they mate.

In less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, Humankind has gone from Caves to the Moon and back. Can you explain WHY prehistoric people NEVER grew a crop?

The same reason why people from the 1700s didn't drive cars. Agriculture is an innovation, not a natural inclination. It's also no simple matter for hunter gatherers to start growing crops. Growing crops demands staying in one place, to claim ownership of land and fields. To know which edible plants are reasonable to grow. It poses new challenges, such as dealing with pests. Plus, technology improvement isn't linear with time, so an innovation taking a long time isn't relevant. Also, you know that following the divergence of our lineage and that of chimps, our species didn't immediately exist, nor one comparable. After all, we diverged from chimps about 13 million years ago, and our species hasn't even existed for 500 thousand years.

built a home or a city?

-_- the oldest house that has survived to modern day is from 8500 BCE. But, you wouldn't think that was the first house ever made, right? Or that it was the only one built at that time. Hunter gatherers don't build homes that would last the test of time like a stone house. Homes predate agriculture.

or demonstrated ANY modern Human traits until some 11k years ago? when the Ark arrived?

You say that as if hunter gatherers don't currently exist.

Genesis 6:1-4...Science, inside every Human alive today...Fertile Crescent

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Nothing about the fertile crescent. Also, a mention of giants you are ignoring. You can't just quote scripture and say it supports you without explaining anymore. Because I will read the passages every time. It also has no mention of science, or even knowledge.

Amen. I once spent 25 cents to watch a chicken play the piano, too. They do whatever they are taught but they cannot Judge.

Chimps do judge murderers and abusers among them. They also mourn the dead. Guess what people don't do if they aren't taught to do it? Grow crops. Read and write. And our morality is also greatly influenced by the teachings and behaviors of people around us.

Only God and the descendants of Adam have this ability to judge between good and evil.

Arbitrary concepts that boil down to "what is bad for the group is evil, what is good for the group is good". Even ants can make judgements on that. When one ant infected with a fungal spore begins acting strange, they immediately get that ant as far from their colony as possible, least they all die.

Most claim we became fully human 195,000 years ago. They have mistakenly classified the sons of God (prehistoric people) as Humans (descendants of Adam)

You have to demonstrate that it's their mistake, and not yours.

I don't argue with dates BUT how do you know the difference between prehistoric people and Humans? It's the question today's science doesn't know the answer to.

I've already asked you to answer that question, since you are the one claiming that there is a drastic difference between people that lived prior to 11 thousand years ago and people that followed that turning point. From my perspective, the hybridization event you believe happened is a fantasy, and it is up to you to provide evidence that it has merit.

It's because Abraham was from Ur, in the SAME area where the Ark arrived and one of Noah's grandsons constructions. Abraham was one of Noah's direct descendants and NOT contaminated by the blood of savages/gentiles. Gentiles were NOT accepted by God, until AFTER Jesus died for all of us, Gentiles included. God Bless you

Gentile just means "non-Jew". Which all of the "prehistoric people" would have been prior to Noah's arrival. But, plenty could have converted. However, personal lineage isn't relevant to beliefs. Pretty sure all the people scattered from Babel would all be jabbering about the act of an angry god they all witnessed.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth...soon.

Empty promises.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Amen. You are good about the knowledge of this Earth but not about Adam's formation, which was in another Heaven. Adam was made BEFORE the big bang of our cosmos 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time. He was alive and watched when Jesus lit the FIRST Stars on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Adam watched as God created "every living creature that moveth" from water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 which was some 10 Billion years AFTER he was first made. Adam watched as Jesus formed the beasts of the field and birds and named them at the beginning of the present 6th Day/Age in the Creation. Gen 2:19 Adam also had the FIRST operation which took out a rib and made Eve Gen 2:22.

IF scientists insist that Humans are mammals, then they should also accept that Adam, the FIRST mammal, was made some 14 Billion years ago. Amen?

Cool story, bro

 

[Aman777]

Repeating the same bare assertion is just repetition. You need to provide evidence for your claim.

I always have and NO evolutionist can refute it. All they can manage to do is accuse me of being uneducated or stupid. NONE of them can find ANY evidence which is not easily refuted by me. A good example is the following Map of the Fertile Crescent which shows the FIRST Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans, began on our Earth, exactly where the Ark arrived.
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

*** Also, what is stopping me from saying that humans didn't arrive on this planet until the early 1900's when airplanes were first made? How is that any different than defining humans by agriculture?

It's because Adam was a Farmer and Cain was a city builder and Cain's descendants had musical instruments, lived in tents and had brass and iron with NO evolution. Gen 4:17-22 Adam was made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22 The only way to obtain the highest intelligence on Earth is to be a descendant of Adam. Humanity, like EVERY other trait, MUST be inherited from another Human. Mindless Nature does not and cannot produce this superior intelligence since it has NONE. The False ToE is soundly refuted. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Apes know how to do all those things, if they happen to belong to a species known as homo sapiens.

Humans were FIRST MADE billions of years BEFORE the first single celled creature came forth from Water on the 5th Day, on our Planet, which was 3.8 Billion years ago in man's time. Godless evolution has degraded Humanity to the lowest position in creation, when actually, we are FIRST. Teaching our babies a provable Lie will not go unpunished since a special more intense punishment awaits these bumpkins who think they know more than God. Mat 18:6 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

All studies of ancient human DNA are, in part, to compare it to modern human DNA and to the other ancient DNA already studied. They wouldn't have to expect to see a notable difference at your claimed 11 thousand year turning point to notice the difference. Furthermore, since intelligence is a physical aspect, it's measurable. So, unless you are going to claim that human intelligence itself is supernatural, and thus not fully measurable, you cannot claim that it wouldn't be detectable through comparisons of "prehistoric peoples" and their hybrids with "true humans". However, you are abandoning science and history entirely if you do claim that our intelligence in and of itself is supernatural.

Human intelligence is not physical but is like God's intelligence, which is also not physical. Can you tell us where to find this intelligence? Of course not and neither can today's science define the difference between Human and animal intelligence, BUT they know the limitations on animals is caused by their inability to reason.

***-_- whether we existed or not, some organism on this planet would be the holder of "most intelligent on the planet". Our species being the tentative holder of it doesn't make our intelligence specifically theologically relevant. Especially considering that what we are actually best at is basic problem solving and, in most other areas, are beaten by other species. As examples, chimpanzees have better memories, and many birds have better spatial reasoning. Also, what about the humans that have debilitating disorders that make them less intelligent than a dog?

Mentally challenged Humans have a disorder either invisibly or physically but they are still Humans, who are destined to have dominion or rule Gen 1:28 over dogs, and EVERY other living creature, including Angels. 1Co 6:3 Godless Evolutionists teach that Humans are lower than Angels because we are nothing but evolved Apes. Their idea of the proper "pecking order" is in serious need of correction.

*** Genesis 3: 22 is before Noah was even born or the claimed hybridization you mention as following the flood, so it has absolutely no relevance to you concerning that matter.

The relevance comes about when you study and notice that Noah was a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human. Noah INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

*** All evidence would suggest that the UCA wouldn't have moved. Otherwise, all living things would be liable to move.

Just going by what others have told me about UCA being the beginning of ALL life on this Earth. Do you disagree?

***-_- where human civilization began was not in the fertile crescent. One could even argue that the beginning of culture predates our species entirely, just like the invention of fire and molding basic tools does.

I go by what is written in Gen 4:17-22 which shows the advanced technology of Cain's descendants and the fact that Adam was a farmer and Cain built a city. Those are traits of modern Humans, WITHOUT the Millions of years of magical evolution claimed to produce these traits. You don't need evolution is you have enough intelligence.

*** Actually, some stars, for whatever reason, date as being older than the universe itself does. Not sure what gaps in our knowledge are causing that. Personally, I would conclude that the universe is a bit older than previously thought, and that stars could have been produced directly as a result of the Big Bang.

Stars lit up less than a Billion years after the big bang.
The First Stars in the Universe

Since the big bang was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day, Gen 1:16 we know that it was late on the 3rd Day before the big bang happened, since each of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time. Can you explain HOW ancient men knew this? and correctly wrote what it took today's scientists thousands of years to discover?

***-_- lifespan need not be shorter to produce more people. If a deity wanted more people to be born, then reducing gestation period would do the trick. Also, you are just going to abandon your claim that the events at Babel benefited humanity? Because you aren't addressing the fact that causing people to not understand each other is not helpful.

Since mankind is wicked and the longer we live, the more wicked we become as our sins mount up, Jesus/Lord God changed the length of time man lived on our Planet, as opposed to life on Adam's Earth. Cutting lifespans by almost 90% assures that more people will have a chance for Heaven.

*** -_- terrorist organizations still ended up existing. Many of the evils people commit they did by themselves in the first place, such as murder and rape. Plus, language barriers as a limit to cooperation between people has been greatly reduced over the years, seeing as people can be multilingual. There's even an app for phones that isn't a bad translator. Not only is understanding people unnecessary to commit evils, but lack of understanding allows perpetrators to more easily dehumanize their victims.

In the end, mankind would totally destroy Humanity AND the present Earth, unless Jesus returns to save us. Mat 24:22 Such is the end of mankind's evil.

***-_- people have always been saying "the end is near". However, the bible explicitly states that no one will expect the end when it comes, so you should only be concerned if no one is saying "the end is near".

I agree that no man knows the day (24 hours) nor the time BUT we do know that it will be later today, since today is the last day of the creation. Today is ALSO Judgment Day and the Day of Salvation. Some 152k Humans leave this Earth EVERY 24 hours. For them, it is literally the last day. Amen?

*** Since you have abandoned any sources of information that could have confirmed or disproved your claim, it has no weight. Also, "sons of God" aren't "prehistoric peoples". I looked more into it. The conclusion with the most evidence behind it is that it refers to angels.

Except, Jesus told us that Angels don't marry nor are given in marriage. Mat 22:30 Angels are NOT made of flesh since they live in Heaven and flesh cannot enter Heaven. 1Co 15:50 The Angels who left Heaven to follow Satan are bound in chains waiting for Judgment. Jde 1:6

*** -_- you already claimed 11 thousand years ago. Or are you admitting the bible doesn't say a date?

I don't claim the Bible tells us everything. What I post is that the AGREEMENT of Scripture science and history is the best measure to follow. According to the History of the first Human farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) it happened 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us in Gen 8:4.

*** So the difference IS measurable, according to you. I'm all ears, how are people that predate 11 thousand years ago physically distinct from people born after that point?

They lived like the animals they descended from for some 6 Million years after they diverged from Chimps. They lived like animals, never planted a crop, nor built a house, until the Ark arrived 11k years ago. Since then, the History of Human civilization has sent Humans to the moon and back IN less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps.

*** Genesis 1:11 claims that plants came from land, even though science depicts all life originating from the oceans, including plants. Genesis 1: 24 has groups of animals coming from the land rather than from the water.

Those are common ancestors or "HIS" kinds, which are the kinds which Jesus made with His own Hands. Many of THEIR kinds, or the kinds created by the Trinity, are based on the common ancestors Jesus made.

*** -_- why would it need to contradict both? You demand that your position has science, history, and scripture all in agreement. So, only one of them has to conflict with one of the other two to destroy your basic premise. Also, the entire modern understanding of genetics conflicts with the biblical claim that one could influence the coloration of livestock by making them stare at branches while they mate.

Agreed. Maybe the Holy Spirit put in some of the superstitions of ancient men just to show their foolishness. Have you noticed that most of the disagreement between posters involves the superstitious views of ancient men who lived thousands of years before science?

*** The same reason why people from the 1700s didn't drive cars. Agriculture is an innovation, not a natural inclination. It's also no simple matter for hunter gatherers to start growing crops. Growing crops demands staying in one place, to claim ownership of land and fields. To know which edible plants are reasonable to grow. It poses new challenges, such as dealing with pests. Plus, technology improvement isn't linear with time, so an innovation taking a long time isn't relevant. Also, you know that following the divergence of our lineage and that of chimps, our species didn't immediately exist, nor one comparable. After all, we diverged from chimps about 13 million years ago, and our species hasn't even existed for 500 thousand years.

Not so since we are of the Human species and Adam was made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the last universal common ancestor appeared on our Earth. The problem is with the current classification system which is willingly ignorant of the difference between Human and animal intelligence. Remember also, that Humans on Adam's Earth had high technology with less than 2k years of evolution.

*** -_- the oldest house that has survived to modern day is from 8500 BCE. But, you wouldn't think that was the first house ever made, right? Or that it was the only one built at that time. Hunter gatherers don't build homes that would last the test of time like a stone house. Homes predate agriculture.

I call them Caves since Cavemen didn't build houses. Only Humans do.

***You say that as if hunter gatherers don't currently exist.

Sure they do and they also have the superior intelligence Adam was made with, even though Adam never took a step on our planet.

***And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God (prehistoric men) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: (just like prehistoric man but NOT Angels) yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men, (Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

***Nothing about the fertile crescent. Also, a mention of giants you are ignoring. You can't just quote scripture and say it supports you without explaining anymore. Because I will read the passages every time. It also has no mention of science, or even knowledge.

The verse above speaks of the marriage of Adam's daughters and prehistoric people who came forth from water on the 5th Day. Notice the "and also after that" which speaks of Noah's grandsons marrying and producing children with the prehistoric people on the present Earth. It's because the produced intellectual giants between prehistoric people and Humans happened AFTER the same thing happened on Adam's Earth. Today's Humans are the giants.

*** Chimps do judge murderers and abusers among them. They also mourn the dead. Guess what people don't do if they aren't taught to do it? Grow crops. Read and write. And our morality is also greatly influenced by the teachings and behaviors of people around us.

Chimps are NOT Humans and can NEVER be since they are innocent, unlike Humans.

*** Arbitrary concepts that boil down to "what is bad for the group is evil, what is good for the group is good". Even ants can make judgements on that. When one ant infected with a fungal spore begins acting strange, they immediately get that ant as far from their colony as possible, least they all die.

Instinct is indicated whereas Humans live by reasoning.

*** You have to demonstrate that it's their mistake, and not yours.

History disagrees with the false ToE since the ToE has NO idea where Humans had our origin. That is WHY they made up the incomplete ToE and forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:3-7 explains.

*** I've already asked you to answer that question, since you are the one claiming that there is a drastic difference between people that lived prior to 11 thousand years ago and people that followed that turning point. From my perspective, the hybridization event you believe happened is a fantasy, and it is up to you to provide evidence that it has merit.

I have God's Word for it and that Word AGREES with History and the scientific Fact that Humans have the DNA of prehistoric people AND the superior intelligence of Adam which is like God's. Gen 3:22

*** Gentile just means "non-Jew". Which all of the "prehistoric people" would have been prior to Noah's arrival. But, plenty could have converted. However, personal lineage isn't relevant to beliefs. Pretty sure all the people scattered from Babel would all be jabbering about the act of an angry god they all witnessed.

Sure they would. It's similar to a white woman being taken by Indians in the old west...BUT the Lord knew it would produce more Humans which are available to fill His perfect 3rd Heaven, where we will live AFTER our Cosmos is burned. Until Heaven is filled, we will continue to live on the present 6th Day in the creation of the perfect Heaven. God Bless you

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

H... they know the limitations on animals is caused by their inability to reason.

You're either making this nonsense up, or you're 50 years behind the curve. It's been known for some time that many animals can reason. Some even show simple metacognition.

Once you learn how to use the quote feature properly, your comments on reasoning might sound less ironic.

 

[lesliedellow]

Humans were FIRST MADE billions of years BEFORE the first single celled creature came forth from Water on the 5th Day, on our Planet, which was 3.8 Billion years ago in man's time. Godless evolution has degraded Humanity to the lowest position in creation, when actually, we are FIRST. Teaching our babies a provable Lie will not go unpunished since a special more intense punishment awaits these bumpkins who think they know more than God. Mat 18:6 Amen?

Both scientifically and theologically, that is nonsense.

 

[lesliedellow]

You're either making this nonsense up, or you're 50 years behind the curve. It's been known for some time that many animals can reason. Some even show simple metacognition.

Once you learn how to use the quote feature properly, your comments on reasoning might sound less ironic.

Isn't the ability of reason contingent upon logic, which, in turn, is contingent upon a sophisticated language, with things like nouns, verbs and propositions?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Isn't the ability of reason contingent upon logic, which, in turn, is contingent upon a sophisticated language, with things like nouns, verbs and propositions?

You don't need an explicit language to generalise with concepts and construct and manipulate abstractions, although it helps. Birds, primates, cetaceans, and even octopuses have shown the ability to reason out how to solve novel problems with sequential dependencies without using trial and error - typically involving reasoning through visualisation - i.e. working out the sequence of operations necessary to open a food container, or to reach food by combining tools. Some birds have shown the ability to plan ahead on the basis of limited experience, and one zoo gorilla(?) chimp(?) planned ahead for the next day by collecting a pile of stones in the evening, ready to throw when the visitors came in.

A major advantage of language is that it extends reasoning memory by providing a symbolic representation of the concepts & abstractions, which permits longer sequences of operations and explicit 'chunking' of sequences by name into abstract meta-operations.

 

[Aman777]

A major advantage of language is that it extends reasoning memory by providing a symbolic representation of the concepts & abstractions, which permits longer sequences of operations and explicit 'chunking' of sequences by name into abstract meta-operations.

Amen, and another proof of God since it's the clearest and most dominant Trait of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) who were made with the superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 which is ABOVE that of ANY other living creature. Only the descendants of God through Adam have inherited God's ability to SPEAK. God spoke the worlds into being Heb 11:3 and Eve spoke with NO evolution. Gen 3:2 And the woman said...Only Humans speak and post online. Amen?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Amen, and another proof of God since it's the clearest and most dominant Trait of modern Humans (descendants of Adam) who were made with the superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 which is ABOVE that of ANY other living creature. Only the descendants of God through Adam have inherited God's ability to SPEAK. God spoke the worlds into being Heb 11:3 and Eve spoke with NO evolution. Gen 3:2 And the woman said...Only Humans speak and post online. Amen?

Not really, no. Although most animals don't have the physiology for fine vocalisation, many can be trained to communicate in other ways. However, one example of language use was Alex, the African Grey parrot, who learned to talk and count and identify objects by their abstract properties (colour, shape, number, size, etc). He even asked existential questions, such as 'What colour Alex?'. Importantly, by using such abstractions meaningfully, he showed understanding of them.

 

[Aman777]

Not really, no. Although most animals don't have the physiology for fine vocalisation, many can be trained to communicate in other ways. However, one example of language use was Alex, the African Grey parrot, who learned to talk and count and identify objects by their abstract properties (colour, shape, number, size, etc). He even asked existential questions, such as 'What colour Alex?'. Importantly, by using such abstractions meaningfully, he showed understanding of them.

Poor Alex was not a Human, since he, like prehistoric people, did NOT descend from Adam, the common ancestor of all Humans. The flaw is found in the false ToE which obviously believes in magic since it teaches that Humans descended from the common ancestor of Apes. That's also WHY we call it a "Religion" since it has NO evidence to support it's "belief" in the magic of Evolism which CANNOT be repeated.

 

[lesliedellow]

That's also WHY we call it a "Religion" since it has NO evidence to support it's "belief" in the magic of Evolism which CANNOT be repeated.

Oh yeah sure. Christian scientists, a Baptist in this case, like Francis Collins believe evolution is true because there is absolutely no evidence for it whatsoever.

Sure thing. How could anybody fail to see the logic in that?

 

[Aman777]

Oh yeah sure. Christian scientists, a Baptist in this case, like Francis Collins believe evolution is true because there is absolutely no evidence for it whatsoever.

Sure thing. How could anybody fail to see the logic in that?

Let's be honest. Evolution is nothing more than descent with modifications within kinds, in a population over time. Godless men tried to eliminate God so they changed the words from descent with modifications into the evil word, evolution. Then, they added to their deception by falsely assuming that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Compounding their twisted view, they began teaching this satanic Lie to our children, not knowing that such an evil would not go unpunished. Mat 18:6

Changing words and the meanings of those words does NOT change the Truth.

 

[lesliedellow]

Let's be honest. Evolution is nothing more than descent with modifications within kinds, in a population over time. Godless men tried to eliminate God so they changed the words from descent with modifications into the evil word, evolution. Then, they added to their deception by falsely assuming that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Compounding their twisted view, they began teaching this satanic Lie to our children, not knowing that such an evil would not go unpunished. Mat 18:6

Changing words and the meanings of those words does NOT change the Truth.

Shame you don't know what you are talking about, and apparently have no idea how speciation works.

Speciation - Wikipedia

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Poor Alex was not a Human, since he, like prehistoric people, did NOT descend from Adam, the common ancestor of all Humans.

That Alex was an animal that wasn't human is what invalidates your claim that only the descendants of Adam have inherited the ability to speak.

The flaw is found in the false ToE which obviously believes in magic since it teaches that Humans descended from the common ancestor of Apes. That's also WHY we call it a "Religion" since it has NO evidence to support it's "belief" in the magic of Evolism which CANNOT be repeated.

You have it backwards. The ToE is not magic or religion because it provides a scientific explanation for human evolutionary origins based on multiple independent lines of factual evidence; and scientific theories are not 'believed in' except as the best current explanation - they're all provisional and open to falsification.

Magic is the (mythical) application of supernatural forces or powers that have no explanation. Religion is the belief in and worship of personified supernatural powers or forces (i.e. magical forces). Thus God is the personification of magic.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Let's be honest. Evolution is nothing more than descent with modifications within kinds, in a population over time. Godless men tried to eliminate God so they changed the words from descent with modifications into the evil word, evolution. Then, they added to their deception by falsely assuming that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Compounding their twisted view, they began teaching this satanic Lie to our children, not knowing that such an evil would not go unpunished. Mat 18:6

Honesty, is it? I suppose you can be honestly mistaken. Darwin himself set out on his voyages as an orthodox Anglican, expecting to find various regions or centres of creation where species originated. What he discovered confounded that expectation. When his joint paper with Wallace on evolution was presented to the Linnean Society, and his book was published, the majority of scientists in the field were also orthodox Christians, bible believers. They were taken aback at first, but over time most were honest enough to acknowledge that the theory, supported by over 20 years of evidence collected by Darwin, was almost certainly correct. This was all before they had molecular genetics or a significant fossil record as independent corroborations.

Even many in the Church of England accepted it, and thought this was a significant advance in knowledge - revealing the elegance and simplicity of the operation of God's creation.

They accepted the theory as the best explanation for the available evidence, despite their previous beliefs. Now that's a real example of honesty.