First born

[bhsmte]

"why not educate yourself about modern biology"

This kind of suggestion, "educate yourself, study biology, take a course in biology, etc. is suggested often. Why, if all the experts that post in this group cannot answer my questions, how are any of those suggestions going provide an answer? Surely, indoctrination would not be part of the equation...would it?

I can see why it is suggested often, especially when you are conversing on a science forum, where numerous people are educated in science.

By the way, this section of the forum has seen these tactics many times before; create strawman of well evidenced science, don't answer simple questions, while asking questions that demonstrates zero knowledge of the science and then declaring you are scoring points.

This movie always ends the same.

 

[tevans9129]

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Thanks for your reply, but I don't think you read the OP, it said he wanted Physical Proof, I take that to be Documentation, because there isn't any way someone can provide physical proof of a birth if they died before the flood.

Therefore the evidence I provided, fulfilled the criteria required.
Firstborn Mammal Offspring - - Cain
Parents - - Adam and Eve
Species - - Human

You may not like the answer, you may not accept the answer, BUT, Truth is truth and cannot be refuted.

Exactly, physical as in unaltered images of fossils. However, I cannot even find where they "speculate" on species B evolving from species A but according to all life evolved from one cell, then there has to be continuity. What the evolutionists want to do is start at A and the jump directly to Y.

 

[JIMINZ]

Exactly, physical as in unaltered images of fossils. However, I cannot even find where they "speculate" on species B evolving from species A but according to all life evolved from one cell, then there has to be continuity. What the evolutionists want to do is start at A and the jump directly to Y.

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That might work for them, if it is a Parrot with many different colors.

 

[tevans9129]

"Why, if all the experts that post in this group cannot answer my questions, how are any of those suggestions going to provide an answer?"

The educated experts cannot even answer a simple nonscientific question and I think the reason is obvious.

 

[pitabread]

"why not educate yourself about modern biology"

This kind of suggestion, "educate yourself, study biology, take a course in biology, etc. is suggested often. Why, if all the experts that post in this group cannot answer my questions, how are any of those suggestions going provide an answer? Surely, indoctrination would not be part of the equation...would it?

When is attempting to discuss or even ask questions about a scientific topic, there comes with that a certain responsibility on the individual to have a baseline understanding of said scientific topic. If one doesn't have a good conceptual grasp on the subject and if one is asking questions accordingly, then one is not likely receive good answers.

For example, asking the exact species that consisted of the first mammal is problematic since mammal itself is an artificial human category based on biological criteria of certain species that evolved over millions of years. At best, the answer is going to be a long list of various species demonstrating the evolution of various mammalian characteristics over that time frame. Which is basically what we see in the fossil record.

 

[lesliedellow]

I cannot even find where they "speculate" on species B evolving from species A.

A common ancestor of humans, chimps, gorillas and orangutans was Pliobates Catalonia. Satisfied now? Probably not. I have seen somebody post an entire phylogenetic tree on here, and you ignored it.

 

[JIMINZ]

"Why, if all the experts that post in this group cannot answer my questions, how are any of those suggestions going to provide an answer?"

The educated experts cannot even answer a simple nonscientific question and I think the reason is obvious.

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Maybe their hoping, if enough experts give you answers, one of them will EVOLVE into the correct one?

 

[tevans9129]

The common ancestor of humans, chimps, gorillas and orangutans was Pliobates Catalonia. Satisfied now?

No, did I ask anything about humans, chimps, Pliobates Catalonia?

What did my OP ask or did you just ignore it as usual?

 

[lesliedellow]

No, did I ask anything about humans, chimps, Pliobates Catalonia?

What did my OP ask or did you just ignore it as usual?

Their are some experts on here, sfs being one of them, but most are laymen who have achieved the not very difficult task of being better informed than you are.

Can you tell me the first decimal number greater than zero?

No? That's because nobody could. But that is not because nobody knows anything about mathematics. It is because, like your questions, the question was ill formed to start with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Maybe their hoping, if enough experts give you answers, one of them will EVOLVE into the correct one?

Why make such an ignorant post? Do you think that it did any good at all?

You can learn, no one on the evolution side has called creationists "idiots". It appears that your fear is keeping you from learning.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Why? Because you say so?

Because you identify yourself as an atheist you cannot understand the principles of God's plan for salvation because they are spiritually discerned, so my previous comments stand. I would be wasting my time debating these issues with you. Those who come to God must believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. I first heard the voice of God to my heart in 1969, and He has been speaking to me on a regular basis ever since. You see, He has spoken to me in a way that I can recognise that it is Him. But because you have never heard His voice, you have no basis for judgment about that. God doesn't speak to athiests, because they don't believe that He exists. Their thinking is limited to this world and their five senses, and God is not a part of their world. A person usually decides to be an athiest because something or someone connected with the Christian church has offended or hurt them in some way, so they have rejected the church and God altogether. I know a man who did become a Christian and then he decided to become an athiest because of the "hypocrites in the church". It seemed to me that someone but a burr under his saddle so he rejected the church and God because of that. Or perhaps after being divorced from his first wife he married another woman who was a total unbeliever, so it suited him to identify himself as an athiest so he could have a happy marriage with her.

 

[tevans9129]

Their are some experts on here, sfs being one of them, but most are laymen who have achieved the not very difficult task of being better informed than you are.

Can you tell me the first decimal number greater than zero?

No? That's because nobody could. But that is not because nobody knows anything about mathematics. It is because, like your questions, it was ill formed to start with.

I missed your answers to the two questions, are they are "ill formed"? How should they have been phrased so as to be "formed" properly? I admit to having very poor linguistic skills so educate me here and give me an example from an expert, can you do that? Oh no, another "ill formed" question no doubt.

No, did I ask anything about humans, chimps, Pliobates Catalonia?

What did my OP ask or did you just ignore it as usual?

 

[bhsmte]

Because you identify yourself as an atheist you cannot understand the principles of God's plan for salvation because they are spiritually discerned, so my previous comments stand. I would be wasting my time debating these issues with you. Those who come to God must believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. I first heard the voice of God to my heart in 1969, and He has been speaking to me on a regular basis ever since. You see, He has spoken to me in a way that I can recognise that it is Him. But because you have never heard His voice, you have no basis for judgment about that. God doesn't speak to athiests, because they don't believe that He exists. Their thinking is limited to this world and their five senses, and God is not a part of their world. A person usually decides to be an athiest because something or someone connected with the Christian church has offended or hurt them in some way, so they have rejected the church and God altogether. I know a man who did become a Christian and then he decided to become an athiest because of the "hypocrites in the church". It seemed to me that someone but a burr under his saddle so he rejected the church and God because of that. Or perhaps after being divorced from his first wife he married another woman who was a total unbeliever, so it suited him to identify himself as an athiest so he could have a happy marriage with her.

Amazing, how you can judge and know so much about people who disagree with your personal faith beliefs.

 

[bhsmte]

Their are some experts on here, sfs being one of them, but most are laymen who have achieved the not very difficult task of being better informed than you are.

Can you tell me the first decimal number greater than zero?

No? That's because nobody could. But that is not because nobody knows anything about mathematics. It is because, like your questions, the question was ill formed to start with.

But, but....................

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because you identify yourself as an atheist you cannot understand the principles of God's plan for salvation because they are spiritually discerned, so my previous comments stand. I would be wasting my time debating these issues with you. Those who come to God must believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. I first heard the voice of God to my heart in 1969, and He has been speaking to me on a regular basis ever since. You see, He has spoken to me in a way that I can recognise that it is Him. But because you have never heard His voice, you have no basis for judgment about that. God doesn't speak to athiests, because they don't believe that He exists. Their thinking is limited to this world and their five senses, and God is not a part of their world. A person usually decides to be an athiest because something or someone connected with the Christian church has offended or hurt them in some way, so they have rejected the church and God altogether. I know a man who did become a Christian and then he decided to become an athiest because of the "hypocrites in the church". It seemed to me that someone but a burr under his saddle so he rejected the church and God because of that. Or perhaps after being divorced from his first wife he married another woman who was a total unbeliever, so it suited him to identify himself as an athiest so he could have a happy marriage with her.

On average atheists understand the Bible better than Christians. Most atheists in the U.S. used to be Christians and it was their understanding of the Bible that brought them to the conclusion that the Bible does not portray an accurate picture of God.

By the way, your claim about your religious views are almost identical to those of Muslims and Hindi. So why should anyone believe you and not them? Your version of God is just as made up to them as theirs are to you.

 

[JIMINZ]

Why make such an ignorant post? Do you think that it did any good at all?

You can learn, no one on the evolution side has called creationists "idiots". It appears that your fear is keeping you from learning.

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It's just with all of your Charts, Graphs and cunningly devised explanations, you still have no Proof, and everything everyone of you says remains a THEORY.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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It's just with all of your Charts, Graphs and cunningly devised explanations, you still have no Proof, and everything everyone of you says remains a THEORY.

Tell me, in your opinion is gravity "proven"?

 

[lesliedellow]

I missed your answers to the two questions, are they are "ill formed"? How should they have been phrased so as to be "formed" properly? I admit to having very poor linguistic skills so educate me here and give me an example from an expert, can you do that? Oh no, another "ill formed" question no doubt.

No, did I ask anything about humans, chimps, Pliobates Catalonia?

What did my OP ask or did you just ignore it as usual?

"Can anyone provide physical evidence of the first mammal that was born?"

Are you really so obtuse? There was no first mammal, anymore than there is a first number greater than zero, or a first speaker of modern English. The evolution of species is as gradual as the evolution of languages, and yet the English spoken in the tenth century was a highly inflected language, and it has only the name in common with modern English.

 

[lesliedellow]

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It's just with all of your Charts, Graphs and cunningly devised explanations, you still have no Proof, and everything everyone of you says remains a THEORY.

You can carry on telling yourself that lie if it makes you happy. Evolution is proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[JIMINZ]

Tell me, in your opinion is gravity "proven"?

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Tell me, do you walk around with led boots on so you don't fly off, into outer space?