Finding Where I Stand

[Aman777]

Do you realize by insisting on a day-age, you are just going along with millions of years people, who state that the millions of dead fossils (with diseases, carnivorous behavior) existed prior to man. They deny the worldwide flood, which makes better sense of the fossils anyway. So if you uphold millions of years of death before sin you have to contradict that sin affected everything in creation (Romans 8:20-22), even animal life. And if Jesus, in removing the curse, brings animals to a vegetarian diet again (and unafraid of man), doesn't it make sense that animal death did not precede man or sin? And that's the clear reading of Scripture. Animals and people are vegetarians. Adam and Eve sin, and God kills an animal (or animals). After the worldwide flood, God permits men to eat animals.

I seek to find the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. Genesis 1:2 shows that darkness/death was upon everything God created apart from Himself. That's because only God is "good" according to Jesus:
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

*** Exodus 20:11 makes clear, in the past tense, that God made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, in six days, and on the seventh day He rested, combining Genesis 1:1 with the rest of Genesis 1 and through 2:3. But you say we are still in the sixth day, in which God saw that everything He had made was "very good". It is not very good today. Everyone is a sinner and wickedness is abounding more and more. There is suffering and sickness and death. All creation is groaning. God gave us our seven day week. Sabbath was made for man, as Jesus stated.

Here is the entire History of God's 6 Days of Creation. It is found in Genesis chapter One and it details the events of the first 6 Days/Ages of God's creation. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL "creating mankind in Christ". This work continues until the 3rd Heaven is filled with it's entire "host" of born again believers in Jesus Christ.

*** The clear biblical account does not suggest, imply, or allow for anything different than six ordinary days of creation. Man twists things in order to not disagree with the scientists who think they are smart and like to berate people who disagree with their "naturalistic" (no God) concept of beginnings. We need to believe God's Word and let the mockers mock.

Since the present 6th Day continues, the length in man's time, of God's Days, is some 4.5 Billion years per Day or periods of Labor. At the end of the present 6th Day, Jesus will return and change ALL living creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7 states. Then, and only then God will proclaim that it is "very good" since His Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven will be finished or brought to perfection in just 6 of God's Days. Genesis One is the entire History of God's Creation in just one chapter. Our God is an awesome God.

 

[Luke17:37]

I seek to find the agreement of Scripture, Science and History.

It is compromising on Scripture to accommodate billions of years history the "scientists" invented and require because they cannot acknowledge the Creator. Yesterday I spoke with a Muslim who wanted all religions to become one. I told her it can't happen, because they don't agree.

Genesis 1:2 shows that darkness/death was upon everything God created apart from Himself.

Scripture says no such thing about death. It just describes the Spirit of God hovering over the waters in the dark. And then, at His command, there was light. You are adding what is not there to try to justify death before Adam. It doesn't follow and it isn't biblical.

Here is the entire History of God's 6 Days of Creation. It is found in Genesis chapter One and it details the events of the first 6 Days/Ages of God's creation. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL "creating mankind in Christ". This work continues until the 3rd Heaven is filled with it's entire "host" of born again believers in Jesus Christ.

There's a difference between physical and spiritual. It sounds like you're confusing the two. The physical creation was finished in Genesis 1 on the sixth day, and God rested on the seventh day. God begins a new spiritual creation any time a person repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Since the present 6th Day continues, the length in man's time, of God's Days, is some 4.5 Billion years per Day or periods of Labor. At the end of the present 6th Day, Jesus will return and change ALL living creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7 states. Then, and only then God will proclaim that it is "very good" since His Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven will be finished or brought to perfection in just 6 of God's Days. Genesis One is the entire History of God's Creation in just one chapter. Our God is an awesome God.

Genesis 1:30 is history, not prophecy. Yet God will systematically dismantle the effects of the curse (including on the animals) when Jesus returns and reigns.

 

[Aman777]

It is compromising on Scripture to accommodate billions of years history the "scientists" invented and require because they cannot acknowledge the Creator. Yesterday I spoke with a Muslim who wanted all religions to become one. I told her it can't happen, because they don't agree.

Scripture says no such thing about death. It just describes the Spirit of God hovering over the waters in the dark. And then, at His command, there was light. You are adding what is not there to try to justify death before Adam. It doesn't follow and it isn't biblical.

Sure it is and it AGREES with Jesus, Who IS the Light of the first Day.

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL things He might have the preeminence. (first place)

Don't you know that YHWH (Lord God) of the O.T. is Jesus? Remember Gen 1:25 speaking of His (YHWH) kinds. That's YHWH/Jesus. Amen?


***There's a difference between physical and spiritual. It sounds like you're confusing the two. The physical creation was finished in Genesis 1 on the sixth day, and God rested on the seventh day. God begins a new spiritual creation any time a person repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not so, since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, Today. The events of Genesis 1:27 are continuing to take place NOW. Today is the Day of Salvation.

2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)


*** Genesis 1:30 is history, not prophecy. Yet God will systematically dismantle the effects of the curse (including on the animals) when Jesus returns and reigns.

Please post any Scripture, or any discovery of Science or History, which shows that at one time Lions and Bears were vegetarians, in the PAST, as Isaiah 11:7 clearly teaches. Genesis 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which are Future to 2016. That is God's Literal Truth, which is the Truth in every way. God Bless you

 

[Luke17:37]

Please post any Scripture, or any discovery of Science or History, which shows that at one time Lions and Bears were vegetarians, in the PAST, as Isaiah 11:7 clearly teaches. Genesis 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which are Future to 2016. That is God's Literal Truth, which is the Truth in every way. God Bless you

So you think "be fruitful and multiply" is future but not now? God gave "be fruitful and multiply to the sea creatures and the birds (Genesis 1:22), then to the land animals and man (Genesis 1:28). He reaffirmed "be fruitful and multiply" when they came off the ark (Genesis 9:1, Genesis 9:7).

Also, God changed man's diet when they got off the ark. If Genesis 1:29 wasn't in the past and continuing up until that point, then how does their expanded diet make any sense?

Genesis 9:3-4
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Even though you can't go back to Eden and watch the animals eat, you can believe the word of God when it concerns their original diet before sin marred the world. When He reigns on the earth, Jesus will systematically take away the curse and return the animals to their Edenic diets and dispositions.

I urge you to believe the Bible. Willfully rejecting the clear, straightforward history about the creation and the worldwide flood will provide a foundation for many to stop believing the clear teaching about the literal return of Christ before He comes (2 Peter 3:3-9).

 

[Aman777]

So you think "be fruitful and multiply" is future but not now? God gave "be fruitful and multiply to the sea creatures and the birds (Genesis 1:22), then to the land animals and man (Genesis 1:28). He reaffirmed "be fruitful and multiply" when they came off the ark (Genesis 9:1, Genesis 9:7).

Amen, and the population of Living Humans is approaching some 10 Billion descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans. Noah's grandsons started it all by marrying and producing today's Humans with the prehistoric people who had been here for millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4

*** Also, God changed man's diet when they got off the ark. If Genesis 1:29 wasn't in the past and continuing up until that point, then how does their expanded diet make any sense?

Noah was afraid to leave the Ark and God told him that the fear of Humans would be upon all other creatures on this Planet Gen 9:2 and after promising Noah that NEVER again would He destroy the world
Gen 9:11 in a flood, Noah left the Ark and came into our present world.

*** Genesis 9:3-4
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Even though you can't go back to Eden and watch the animals eat, you can believe the word of God when it concerns their original diet before sin marred the world. When He reigns on the earth, Jesus will systematically take away the curse and return the animals to their Edenic diets and dispositions.

Amen, and Isaiah 11 tells us WHEN this event at the end of the present 6th Day happens. It's AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign for a thousand years and AFTER Jesus changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 shows. It happens Today, the DayAge of Salvation, Mankind's Day and the Day of Judgment, it all happens on the present 6th Day. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

*** I urge you to believe the Bible. Willfully rejecting the clear, straightforward history about the creation and the worldwide flood will provide a foundation for many to stop believing the clear teaching about the literal return of Christ before He comes (2 Peter 3:3-9).

Why? The Holy Spirit, speaking through Peter, tells us of the events of the "last days" when Scoffers/Darwinists will be "willingly ignorant" that Adam's entire Universe/Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. The Bible teaches that Adam's world is gone. Do you believe that?

 

[Luke17:37]

Amen, and the population of Living Humans is approaching some 10 Billion descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans. Noah's grandsons started it all by marrying and producing today's Humans with the prehistoric people who had been here for millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4

You say you believe in a global flood (down further) and then you say Noah's grandsons intermingled with people who had been here millions of years before the ark? Haven't you read that all living thing with the breath of life was wiped out in the flood (Genesis 7:23), except those in the Ark--Noah and his wife; Ham and his wife; Japheth and his wife; and Shem and his wife; and the animals? So all the pre-flood people died. Noah and his sons started over on the multiplying department. Just like with Adam and Eve, the children of Noah's sons would have had to marry their sisters (or cousins). You are exchanging the clear truth of God for a fairly tale (a lie) based on your faulty preposition of millions of years.

Also, God changed man's diet when they got off the ark. If Genesis 1:29 wasn't in the past and continuing up until that point, then how does their expanded diet make any sense?

Noah was afraid to leave the Ark and God told him that the fear of Humans would be upon all other creatures on this Planet Gen 9:2 and after promising Noah that NEVER again would He destroy the world
Gen 9:11 in a flood, Noah left the Ark and came into our present world.

Again, you exchange the clear truth--that men had been vegetarians (Genesis 1:29) since they were created but now after the flood were permitted to eat meat (Genesis 9:3-4)--for a illogical unsupported tale.

Genesis 9:3-4
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Even though you can't go back to Eden and watch the animals eat, you can believe the word of God when it concerns their original diet before sin marred the world. When He reigns on the earth, Jesus will systematically take away the curse and return the animals to their Edenic diets and dispositions.

Amen, and Isaiah 11 tells us WHEN this event at the end of the present 6th Day happens. It's AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign for a thousand years and AFTER Jesus changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians as Gen 1:30 shows. It happens Today, the DayAge of Salvation, Mankind's Day and the Day of Judgment, it all happens on the present 6th Day. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

Millions of years is not found in nor compatible with the Bible; Exodus 20:11 squashes that in combining the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) with the sea and everything in them and the six days (Genesis 1:2-31), and the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3). However, people believe what they want to believe regardless of what the text actually says. The first week was finished about six thousand years ago... all seven ordinary days. In this way, God gave us the model for our seven day week, and also for the Sabbath rest on the seventh day for Israel.

I urge you to believe the Bible. Willfully rejecting the clear, straightforward history about the creation and the worldwide flood will provide a foundation for many to stop believing the clear teaching about the literal return of Christ before He comes (2 Peter 3:3-9).

Why? The Holy Spirit, speaking through Peter, tells us of the events of the "last days" when Scoffers/Darwinists will be "willingly ignorant" that Adam's entire Universe/Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. The Bible teaches that Adam's world is gone. Do you believe that?

The willfully ignorant who reject what the Bible has to say about creation and the flood while be primed to reject the literal return of Christ. I don't know if you realize, but many people who believe in long ages and death before sin do not believe in a worldwide flood because they believe the fossils came from millions of years before man as opposed a worldwide catastrophic flood (in accordance with what secularists believe). You have half of this equation because you reject the literal history of Genesis 1 (six ordinary days, plus the seventh day). A verse often cited to support long ages for creation (2 Peter 3:8) is taken out of context and is actually about the Lord's patience in bringing judgment in order to save as many souls as possible.

 

[Aman777]

You say you believe in a global flood (down further) and then you say Noah's grandsons intermingled with people who had been here millions of years before the ark? Haven't you read that all living thing with the breath of life was wiped out in the flood (Genesis 7:23), except those in the Ark--Noah and his wife; Ham and his wife; Japheth and his wife; and Shem and his wife; and the animals? So all the pre-flood people died. Noah and his sons started over on the multiplying department. Just like with Adam and Eve, the children of Noah's sons would have had to marry their sisters (or cousins). You are exchanging the clear truth of God for a fairly tale (a lie) based on your faulty preposition of millions of years.

Again, you exchange the clear truth--that men had been vegetarians (Genesis 1:29) since they were created but now after the flood were permitted to eat meat (Genesis 9:3-4)--for a illogical unsupported tale.

Millions of years is not found in nor compatible with the Bible; Exodus 20:11 squashes that in combining the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) with the sea and everything in them and the six days (Genesis 1:2-31), and the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3). However, people believe what they want to believe regardless of what the text actually says. The first week was finished about six thousand years ago... all seven ordinary days. In this way, God gave us the model for our seven day week, and also for the Sabbath rest on the seventh day for Israel.

The willfully ignorant who reject what the Bible has to say about creation and the flood while be primed to reject the literal return of Christ. I don't know if you realize, but many people who believe in long ages and death before sin do not believe in a worldwide flood because they believe the fossils came from millions of years before man as opposed a worldwide catastrophic flood (in accordance with what secularists believe). You have half of this equation because you reject the literal history of Genesis 1 (six ordinary days, plus the seventh day). A verse often cited to support long ages for creation (2 Peter 3:8) is taken out of context and is actually about the Lord's patience in bringing judgment in order to save as many souls as possible.

Amen. The Scoffers/scientists of the last days will be willingly ignorant that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

That is consensus position of today's Scientists. Everything evolved from the first life which appeared some 3.77 billion years ago and they continue to evolve today. All things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation, they force teach our children.


2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Grk-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Grk-destroyed totally)

The Kosmos that then was? The firmament, which was made on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 was totally destroyed in the flood? The Scientists of the last days will NOT believe that Adam's entire universe was destroyed in the flood? Does the above mean what it is saying?

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The Scoffers/scientists of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" that Adam's world was completely destroyed in the flood and that the present Universe will be burned. Are you a Scoffer of the last days? Or do you believe what God, the Holy Spirit, told us above?

 

[Riberra]

It is compromising on Scripture to accommodate billions of years history the "scientists" invented and require because they cannot acknowledge the Creator.

The Bible tell us clearly that the Angels (celestial beings)were created by God before man.
Obviously the spiritual realm existed before the material realm.
The Angels were there when God set the foundation of the Earth and shouted for joy.(stated in Job)...They shouted for joy because they (not all) have chosen Earth to be their home in time past (but something went wrong - Rebellion-)...long before the creation of the first human (body and soul)....and one day we mortal humans (those Saved)will return to our initial state...on the New Earth.

Question; how long the spiritual realm existed before God created the material universe ?

In astrophysics it is said that time as we perceive it, began with the creation of the material universe. ..fascinating is in it ?

The bible is at least in agreement with that science concept.
-One day for God is like 1,000 years for man.-

Yesterday I spoke with a Muslim who wanted all religions to become one. I told her it can't happen, because they don't agree.

One day all existing religions will be replaced by the adoration of the man of sin/Antichrist/ Beast and his image....death by beheading for all those who will refuse to worship the AC and will refuse to take his mark.

Revelation 13