Finding Where I Stand

[Revealing Times]

-What most don't know if you follow science to the final conclusion you will ended up doubting the existence of the universe. Science ends up refuting itself. Science is still the product of the human mind. We already know our understand of the universe falls apart on the two extremes , on the quantum and galaxy level.
-Both the Big Bang and evolution (ToE) totally rely on the principle of continuity to be true which is an old religious belief. If that belief is false both theories becomes unglued.
-Some people cheats to keep science from refuting itself. They basically try to have God tied up with duck tape over His mouth and only remove the tape long enough for God to perform a much needed miracle then return the tape over His mouth. Scientist will then take it from there until they run into another paradox.

Where I stand is I believe God can do everything and more in His creation that man can do in his creations. Just as man is a time lord in his creation so God is the ultimate Time Lord in His creation. God is the ultimate reality and the universe is the product of the mind (Word) of God.

Science is only a journey from the "unknown to the known" (by God) so Science never refutes itself, but people with bogus agendas are refuted. They lie and contrive falsehoods. There is no proof for evolution because it doesn't exist, there is proof of a 13.7 Billion year old Universe because that is how old the Universe is.

These people that profess to know about science that come on these threads and such, are only repeating what someone tells them, they haven't got clue one in 99.9 percent of the cases what they are speaking about. Anyone that claims evolution is a proven fact, mark him down, he is just blowing wind. If it was a proven fact it wouldn't be listed as a "theory" 150 years after Darwin came up with it. They confuse adaption within species with evolution.

 

[Speedwell]

You need to prove it true first. And by the way, most Creationists understand the universe is 13.7 Billion years old. But you are living in la la land if you claim to have proof we evolved from a lower life form. Its all talk.

Scientific theories are never "proven true." They are merely accepted as the best explanation currently available, based on the evidence collected to date. They are subject to being falsified by new evidence by any time.
So the theory of evolution has not been "proven true" but it is the best explanation of the evidence we have.

 

[Speedwell]

Science is only a journey from the "unknown to the known" (by God) so Science never refutes itself, but people with bogus agendas are refuted. They lie and contrive falsehoods. There is no proof for evolution because it doesn't exist, there is proof of a 13.7 Billion year old Universe because that is how old the Universe is.

These people that profess to know about science that come on these threads and such, are only repeating what someone tells them, they haven't got clue one in 99.9 percent of the cases what they are speaking about. Anyone that claims evolution is a proven fact, mark him down, he is just blowing wind. If it was a proven fact it wouldn't be listed as a "theory" 150 years after Darwin came up with it. They confuse adaption within species with evolution.

So how do you account for observed instances of speciation--both in the lab and in the field?

 

[lesliedellow]

You need to prove it true first. And by the way, most Creationists understand the universe is 13.7 Billion years old. But you are living in la la land if you claim to have proof we evolved from a lower life form. Its all talk.

So says you. And why do you say it?

Answer: "I know what I want to believe. So please don't confuse me with the facts."

If we were directly created by God, why did he see fit to create us with a faulty gene, which prevents us from manufacturing our own vitamin C - unlike almost every other animal? If we were directly created by God, why is there a sequence half way along human chromosome 2, which normally only appears at the ends of chromosomes? Answer: Because at some point in our evolutionary history two chromosomes became fused, which appear as two separate chromosomes in the DNA of other members of the great ape family.

 

[lesliedellow]

The Light of the First Day was the stars. God said let the Heavens and earth come forth in verse 1. God said the earth was without form and void, meaning it was not in existence yet, but the command to bring it to pass had been given, and Darkness was on the Face of the Deep, then God moved on the face of the waters, that's verse 2. { So there was Darkness before the Light, which God commands to come forth in verse 3, and God moved on the face of the waters before he said let there be light, is this significant ? Yes, according to a recent science paper I read, there is "no such thing as light" it is only a reflection, so the water, imho, is what reflects the light. }

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

{ So, does the map by NASA reveal a deep truth ? This is the WMAP/NASA map that they used microwaves to map out the entire universe from the beginning of time/universe, until now. }

Inflation, followed by 380,000 years of after-glow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS OF DARKNESS (Just like God said, there was Darkness on the face of the Deep) followed by Stars coming into existence at the 400 Million year Mark. Quantum Fluctuation is another name for a Set of Forces or Laws of Nature (God) he commanded Inflation (Big Bang) and the universe was on its way. He never had to command it again, thus he created the Heavens and the Earth in Verse 1 on Day 1, even though the Earth came forth 9.2 Billion years latter at the 4.5 Billion BC mark.

God said He rested, so we are living in the Seventh Day, Man was created on the Sixth day. This proves the days are Periods of Time, the Seventh day is still going on 6000 years later.

If I were you, I would rely upon Hugh Ross for your astrophysics. He may talk bunkum about evolution, which is outside his field, but he is at least an astrophysicist, who abides by scientific orthodoxy within his field.

 

[Revealing Times]

Scientific theories are never "proven true." They are merely accepted as the best explanation currently available, based on the evidence collected to date. They are subject to being falsified by new evidence by any time.
So the theory of evolution has not been "proven true" but it is the best explanation of the evidence we have.

Wrong, theories get proven all the time by facts. There is no evidence that we evolved from lower life forms, it is just asinine and laughable to suggest there is.

So how do you account for observed instances of speciation--both in the lab and in the field?

I understand there were instance in the 50's where they stated there was these observed instances, but its just not a fact in reality, not when placed under an observational microscope so to speak.

Why the Miller–Urey research argues against abiogenesis
http://creation.com/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis

In this day and age, it is imperative that we all learn to think for ourselves. Don’t let me tell you what to think, and don’t let anyone else tell you what to think either. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. The following are 11 reasons why evolution is just a fairy tale for adults…

#1 If the theory of evolution was true, we should have discovered millions upon millions of transitional fossils that show the development of one species into another species. Instead, we have zero.

#2 When Charles Darwin came up with his theory, he admitted that no transitional forms had been found at that time, but he believed that huge numbers certainly existed and would eventually be discovered…

“Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?”

#3 Even some of the most famous evolutionists in the world acknowledge the complete absence of transitional fossils in the fossil record. For example, Dr. Colin Patterson, former senior paleontologist of the British Museum of Natural History and author of “Evolution” once wrote the following…

“I fully agree with your comments about the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them …. I will lay it on the line – there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.”

#4 Stephen Jay Gould, Professor of Geology and Paleontology at Harvard University, once wrote the followingabout the lack of transitional forms…

“The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.”

#5 Evolutionist Stephen M. Stanley of Johns Hopkins University has also commented on the stunning lack of transitional forms in the fossil record…

“In fact, the fossil record does not convincingly document a single transition from one species to another.”

#6 If “evolution” was happening right now, there would be millions of creatures out there with partially developed features and organs. But instead there are none.

#7 If the theory of evolution was true, we should not see a sudden explosion of fully formed complex life in the fossil record. Instead, that is precisely what we find.

#8 Paleontologist Mark Czarnecki, an evolutionist, once commented on the fact that complex life appears very suddenly in the fossil record…

“A major problem in proving the theory has been the fossil record; the imprints of vanished species preserved in the Earth’s geological formations. This record has never revealed traces of Darwin’s hypothetical intermediate variants – instead species appear and disappear abruptly, and this anomaly has fueled the creationist argument that each species was created by God.”

#9 The sudden appearance of complex life in the fossil record is so undeniable that even Richard Dawkins has been forced to admit it…

“It is as though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and both reject this alternative.”

#10 Nobody has ever observed macroevolution take place in the laboratory or in nature. In other words, nobody has ever observed one kind of creature turn into another kind of creature. The entire theory of evolution is based on blind faith.

#11 Evolutionist Jeffrey Schwartz, a professor of anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, openly admits that “the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed.”

 

[Revealing Times]

So says you. And why do you say it?

Answer: "I know what I want to believe. So please don't confuse me with the facts."

If we were directly created by God, why did he see fit to create us with a faulty gene, which prevents us from manufacturing our own vitamin C - unlike almost every other animal? If we were directly created by God, why is there a sequence half way along human chromosome 2, which normally only appears at the ends of chromosomes? Answer: Because at some point in our evolutionary history two chromosomes became fused, which appear as two separate chromosomes in the DNA of other members of the great ape family.

We were perfect when we were created. We brought forth death by listening to Satan. So any argument you have is irrelevant. We understand we came under the "curse of death".

 

[lesliedellow]

We were perfect when we were created. We brought forth death by listening to Satan. So any argument you have is irrelevant. We understand we came under the "curse of death".

Ah yes, the catchall. The Fall dunnit.

 

[Aman777]

The Light of the First Day was the stars.

Not so, since the Stars were made the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

*** God said let the Heavens and earth come forth in verse 1. God said the earth was without form and void, meaning it was not in existence yet, but the command to bring it to pass had been given, and Darkness was on the Face of the Deep, then God moved on the face of the waters, that's verse 2. { So there was Darkness before the Light, which God commands to come forth in verse 3, and God moved on the face of the waters before he said let there be light, is this significant ? Yes, according to a recent science paper I read, there is "no such thing as light" it is only a reflection, so the water, imho, is what reflects the light. }

Heaven can also mean Air in Hebrew and Earth means ground, but it was without form, or dust because there was NO physical God to shape it. God made the ingredients for His Creation in Gen 1:1-2. Air, dust and water came into the physical world but something was wrong since Darkness or Death was upon everything God had formed apart from Himself.

*** Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Notice that the Light was "good". Only God is good. Mat 19:17 The Light of the first Day is called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. Jesus came into the physical world on the 1st Day.

**So, does the map by NASA reveal a deep truth ? This is the WMAP/NASA map that they used microwaves to map out the entire universe from the beginning of time/universe, until now. }

Inflation, followed by 380,000 years of after-glow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS OF DARKNESS (Just like God said, there was Darkness on the face of the Deep) followed by Stars coming into existence at the 400 Million year Mark. Quantum Fluctuation is another name for a Set of Forces or Laws of Nature (God) he commanded Inflation (Big Bang) and the universe was on its way. He never had to command it again, thus he created the Heavens and the Earth in Verse 1 on Day 1, even though the Earth came forth 9.2 Billion years latter at the 4.5 Billion BC mark.

God made Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 He made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 This agrees with WMAP which shows that the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day and gives us an idea of how long in man's time, each of God's Days/Ages are.

*** God said He rested, so we are living in the Seventh Day, Man was created on the Sixth day. This proves the days are Periods of Time, the Seventh day is still going on 6000 years later.

Not so, since the present 6th Day must first end and the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 MUST be fulfilled. This will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and gives mankind dominion or rule over ALL other living creatures including viruses, mosquitoes and Angels. 1Co 6:3 ALSO, every creature MUST be changed into a Vegetarian Gen 1:30. Read Isaiah 11:1-7 and you will see that Bears and Lions will eat straw like the Ox AFTER Jesus returns.

AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on this Earth for a thousand days, the present 6th Day will end and ALL the host of Heaven will be safely in Heaven and THEN God will rest or Cease to Create because His Creation will be finished or brought to perfection:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

Then God will rest on the 7th Day which has NO end. Amen?

 

[Luke17:37]

Not so, since the Stars were made the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

*** God said let the Heavens and earth come forth in verse 1. God said the earth was without form and void, meaning it was not in existence yet, but the command to bring it to pass had been given, and Darkness was on the Face of the Deep, then God moved on the face of the waters, that's verse 2. { So there was Darkness before the Light, which God commands to come forth in verse 3, and God moved on the face of the waters before he said let there be light, is this significant ? Yes, according to a recent science paper I read, there is "no such thing as light" it is only a reflection, so the water, imho, is what reflects the light. }

Heaven can also mean Air in Hebrew and Earth means ground, but it was without form, or dust because there was NO physical God to shape it. God made the ingredients for His Creation in Gen 1:1-2. Air, dust and water came into the physical world but something was wrong since Darkness or Death was upon everything God had formed apart from Himself.

*** Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Notice that the Light was "good". Only God is good. Mat 19:17 The Light of the first Day is called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. Jesus came into the physical world on the 1st Day.

**So, does the map by NASA reveal a deep truth ? This is the WMAP/NASA map that they used microwaves to map out the entire universe from the beginning of time/universe, until now. }

Inflation, followed by 380,000 years of after-glow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS OF DARKNESS (Just like God said, there was Darkness on the face of the Deep) followed by Stars coming into existence at the 400 Million year Mark. Quantum Fluctuation is another name for a Set of Forces or Laws of Nature (God) he commanded Inflation (Big Bang) and the universe was on its way. He never had to command it again, thus he created the Heavens and the Earth in Verse 1 on Day 1, even though the Earth came forth 9.2 Billion years latter at the 4.5 Billion BC mark.

God made Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 He made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 This agrees with WMAP which shows that the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day and gives us an idea of how long in man's time, each of God's Days/Ages are.

*** God said He rested, so we are living in the Seventh Day, Man was created on the Sixth day. This proves the days are Periods of Time, the Seventh day is still going on 6000 years later.

Not so, since the present 6th Day must first end and the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 MUST be fulfilled. This will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and gives mankind dominion or rule over ALL other living creatures including viruses, mosquitoes and Angels. 1Co 6:3 ALSO, every creature MUST be changed into a Vegetarian Gen 1:30. Read Isaiah 11:1-7 and you will see that Bears and Lions will eat straw like the Ox AFTER Jesus returns.

AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on this Earth for a thousand days, the present 6th Day will end and ALL the host of Heaven will be safely in Heaven and THEN God will rest or Cease to Create because His Creation will be finished or brought to perfection:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

Then God will rest on the 7th Day which has NO end. Amen?

No.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:11 combines Genesis 1:1 with the rest of the chapter and shows that it was all done in six days, not millions or billions of years.

The days are the same as they are today--dark, light--night, day. And there are seven days in the week.

Death, even of animals, will go away when Jesus reigns on the earth, because it's one of the effects of the curse, not a means God used to create. It's the reason why the shedding of blood is necessary for the forgiveness of sins (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).

God created a very good creation. There was no evil in it until the day Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The serpent, that is, the devil, was also created holy, but he rebelled (Ezekiel 28:11-14) and God did not offer him and the other angels who rebelled redemption. God was not obligated to offer redemption to Adam's race, but it was His promise and plan all along (Genesis 3:15, Revelation 13:8).

 

[Revealing Times]

Not so, since the Stars were made the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

So Grasses came Forth on the Third Day (without the Sun ? ) and the Earth was here on the Second Day (without the Sun to hold it in its orbit ?). None of that can be true, here is the common mistake that is made about day four.

This is where many people go awry. The Hebrews had a language of about 4000 words compared to the English vocabulary today of 500,000 words, and they had no vowels. Also, they wrote in a very different manner, you would have to study primitive writing to understand this point. They had many different styles and writing ways. You see, we might not do the same things now. For instance, when the writer said in verse 14, that God says "Let there be Light...etc. etc. He was retelling Gods original order in verse 3, this doesn't in any way mean God created the Lights/Stars again.

TO PROVE MY POINT.....Aren't stars still being created ? And have been forever. But God says He rested on the Seventh Day didn't he ? Which means he Ceased his Creating, it doesn't mean He was tired. So God Rested, but is Still Creating !! Or is he ? No the COMMAND was GIVEN to bring forth the Universe in verse 1 and God commanded all Lights or Stars to come forth in verse 3. God never had to command this again, IT WAS JUST A FACT, God commanded it, then it came to pass.

All verse 14-18 is doing is giving everyone a play by play account at how Earth gets its Lights, how the Moon is the Lesser Light and how he Stars are to be used for Signs/Guides of Travel. And the KEY WORD in all of these verses is SEASONS, God SET THE SEASONS.

Our biggest problem is trying to assume primitive writers had the same style as us. They did not. They had far fewer words also, and the English translations are nowhere near perfect. Verse 14-18 is only the Writer giving a play by play account of HOW THE EARTH HAS LIGHT AND DARKNESS.

Earth was here on Day 2, so the sun was also. The Earth couldn't be here without the sun holding it in its orbit. And grasses came on the third day. God was setting the Seasons on Day four, or fixing the axis by placing the moon in its optimal position so we could have regular seasons. Without the Moon in its proper place, our weather would be much more violent, and many places would not have proper seasons.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The Earth and Sun was here on the Second Day which lasted from 4.5 Billion BC until the Grasses came forth at about 900-1100 million year BC mark.

Kind of Long so I better leave off the answering the other points here.

 

[Revealing Times]

Notice that the Light was "good". Only God is good. Mat 19:17 The Light of the first Day is called YHWH in the Old and Jesus Christ in the New Testament. Jesus came into the physical world on the 1st Day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. {{ God can say things are God. God created Light for the universe. }}

Heaven can also mean Air in Hebrew and Earth means ground, but it was without form, or dust because there was NO physical God to shape it. God made the ingredients for His Creation in Gen 1:1-2. Air, dust and water came into the physical world but something was wrong since Darkness or Death was upon everything God had formed apart from Himself.

It was without form an VOID ( absent of space) meaning the command was Given, but the Earth had not yet formed. VOID DEFINITION: a completely empty space. Darkness was around 400 Million years, nothing was wrong, that is how the universe came into being.

Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 380,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce. ( This was a MUST !! )

The first stars appear: Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the Big Bang. SO............When the Bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !!

 

[Aman777]

No.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:11 combines Genesis 1:1 with the rest of the chapter and shows that it was all done in six days, not millions or billions of years.

The days are the same as they are today--dark, light--night, day. And there are seven days in the week.

False, and based on the ideas of ancient men and NOT what is actually written. Today, remains the 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.

*** Death, even of animals, will go away when Jesus reigns on the earth, because it's one of the effects of the curse, not a means God used to create. It's the reason why the shedding of blood is necessary for the forgiveness of sins (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).

God created a very good creation. There was no evil in it until the day Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Amen, and that was at the beginning of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:27 Notice that Adam (Heb-mankind) is CREATED in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ on the Day of Salvation, which continues today. We are stuck at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, a thousand years before His reign on Planet Earth ends.

*** The serpent, that is, the devil, was also created holy, but he rebelled (Ezekiel 28:11-14) and God did not offer him and the other angels who rebelled redemption. God was not obligated to offer redemption to Adam's race, but it was His promise and plan all along (Genesis 3:15, Revelation 13:8).

It's because Humans (descendants of Adam) are destined to rule Heaven, including Angels 1Co 6:3 AFTER Jesus returns as Gen 1:28 states. We came into the middle of the movie, close to the end of the present 6th Day/Age, in God's Creation of the perfect Heaven. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

So Grasses came Forth on the Third Day (without the Sun ? ) and the Earth was here on the Second Day (without the Sun to hold it in its orbit ?). None of that can be true, here is the common mistake that is made about day four.

Here is the chronological order of Genesis. The "Light", which is Literally the Incarnation of the invisible God, comes forth on the 1st Day. In the Old Testament, His name is YHWH, and in the New Testament, His name is Jesus Christ. Jesus is BRIGHTER than the noonday Sun and blinded Saul on the road to Damascus AND He is the Light of the 3rd Heaven, which has no need of the Sun nor the Moon. Rev 21:23

*** This is where many people go awry. The Hebrews had a language of about 4000 words compared to the English vocabulary today of 500,000 words, and they had no vowels. Also, they wrote in a very different manner, you would have to study primitive writing to understand this point. They had many different styles and writing ways. You see, we might not do the same things now. For instance, when the writer said in verse 14, that God says "Let there be Light...etc. etc. He was retelling Gods original order in verse 3, this doesn't in any way mean God created the Lights/Stars again.

Jesus is the Light of the 1st Day. This is apparent when you read this:

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:

Only God is good. Mar 10:18 God Incarnate, the Literal Physical God, the Only God ever formed or that ever will be formed Isa 43:12 came into the physical world on the first Day. His task will be to take the air, dust and water and shape it into worlds and to defeat the darkness/death which is the LAST enemy to be destroyed, 1Co 15:26 at the end of the present 6th Day.

*** TO PROVE MY POINT.....Aren't stars still being created ? And have been forever. But God says He rested on the Seventh Day didn't he ? Which means he Ceased his Creating, it doesn't mean He was tired. So God Rested, but is Still Creating !! Or is he ? No the COMMAND was GIVEN to bring forth the Universe in verse 1 and God commanded all Lights or Stars to come forth in verse 3. God never had to command this again, IT WAS JUST A FACT, God commanded it, then it came to pass.

It's the same with all the events at the end of the 6th Day. God's Creation will continue until His perfect Heaven is filled with born again Christians, the sons of God, the "HOST" of Heaven, spoken of at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 2:1

*** All verse 14-18 is doing is giving everyone a play by play account at how Earth gets its Lights, how the Moon is the Lesser Light and how he Stars are to be used for Signs/Guides of Travel. And the KEY WORD in all of these verses is SEASONS, God SET THE SEASONS.

Not so. The biggest problem is trying to fit the ideas of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science, into Genesis. It doesn't work because the Author of Genesis is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, and His story AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History. The problem is with the traditional religious interpretation.

*** Our biggest problem is trying to assume primitive writers had the same style as us. They did not. They had far fewer words also, and the English translations are nowhere near perfect. Verse 14-18 is only the Writer giving a play by play account of HOW THE EARTH HAS LIGHT AND DARKNESS.

Earth was here on Day 2, so the sun was also. The Earth couldn't be here without the sun holding it in its orbit. And grasses came on the third day. God was setting the Seasons on Day four, or fixing the axis by placing the moon in its optimal position so we could have regular seasons. Without the Moon in its proper place, our weather would be much more violent, and many places would not have proper seasons.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The Earth and Sun was here on the Second Day which lasted from 4.5 Billion BC until the Grasses came forth at about 900-1100 million year BC mark.

Kind of Long so I better leave off the answering the other points here.

I understand your view, since it's the same as the ancient men who dreamed up a theory of what Genesis was saying, at a time when they had nothing but their imagination to guide them. The Holy Spirit IS the Supreme Intelligence and today increased knowledge is just now allowing us to understand what He told us in Genesis. As the end nears, the Truth of Genesis Chapter 1 will be confirmed by the future discoveries of Science and History. Act 2:17

 

[Aman777]

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. {{ God can say things are God. God created Light for the universe. }}

The sixth Day/Age continues. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ.

*** It was without form an VOID ( absent of space) meaning the command was Given, but the Earth had not yet formed. VOID DEFINITION: a completely empty space. Darkness was around 400 Million years, nothing was wrong, that is how the universe came into being.

Earth (Heb-ground) without form is dust. BEFORE the first Day, there was NO God in physical form to mold the dust into worlds.

*** Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 380,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce. ( This was a MUST !! )

The first stars appear: Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the Big Bang. SO............When the Bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !!

The current consensus of Science is that it was at least 560k - 1 Billion years AFTER the BB before the first Stars lit up. Genesis agrees by showing that the BB was on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and the first Stars didn't light up until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 See how long a 'Day" is?

 

[Luke17:37]

False, and based on the ideas of ancient men and NOT what is actually written. Today, remains the 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.

*** Death, even of animals, will go away when Jesus reigns on the earth, because it's one of the effects of the curse, not a means God used to create. It's the reason why the shedding of blood is necessary for the forgiveness of sins (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).

God created a very good creation. There was no evil in it until the day Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Amen, and that was at the beginning of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:27 Notice that Adam (Heb-mankind) is CREATED in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ on the Day of Salvation, which continues today. We are stuck at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, a thousand years before His reign on Planet Earth ends.

*** The serpent, that is, the devil, was also created holy, but he rebelled (Ezekiel 28:11-14) and God did not offer him and the other angels who rebelled redemption. God was not obligated to offer redemption to Adam's race, but it was His promise and plan all along (Genesis 3:15, Revelation 13:8).

It's because Humans (descendants of Adam) are destined to rule Heaven, including Angels 1Co 6:3 AFTER Jesus returns as Gen 1:28 states. We came into the middle of the movie, close to the end of the present 6th Day/Age, in God's Creation of the perfect Heaven. Amen?

No. First I've heard this view, though, that we are living in the sixth day. The days are described just as ordinary days... evening/morning, darkness/light, 1st, 2nd, 3rd...6th, 7th. By resting on the 7th day, God gave us a pattern for our 7 day week and the concept of rest long before He instituted the Sabbath for Israel and asked them to cease working. He told the animals and man what they could eat--vegetarian diets. We don't know when the animals started eating meat, there's fossil evidence of animals eating other animals which may be pre-flood. In Genesis 9:3, after Noah and his family got off the ark, God extended permission to men to eat meat. The change in animals diets and dispositions (Genesis 9:2) were affected by the curse as all things are, even though it isn't mentioned specifically when the animals became carnivorous. At the end of the sixth day God said it was very good, and this was before sin and the death and suffering as a result.

The first animal death is in Genesis 3:21 because of sin. God doesn't say what animal(s) were killed, but He made clothes of animal skins for Adam and Eve, thus He shed blood. So God was demonstrating from the beginning of sin that the covering of sin involves the shedding of blood--the death of something alive. Leviticus 17:11 and Hebrews 9:22 explain it. God requires a perfect blood sacrifice. Animals aren't sufficient, but He required them of Israel but beforehand esteemed or requested Abel's blood sacrifice, Noah's blood sacrifice, and Job's blood sacrifice), etc. This is why Jesus became the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world by the shedding of His sinless blood. That He is going to change the diets of the animals in the millennial kingdom (Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65) is just a reminder that animal death is part of the curse.

 

[Revealing Times]

Here is the chronological order of Genesis. The "Light", which is Literally the Incarnation of the invisible God, comes forth on the 1st Day. In the Old Testament, His name is YHWH, and in the New Testament, His name is Jesus Christ. Jesus is BRIGHTER than the noonday Sun and blinded Saul on the road to Damascus AND He is the Light of the 3rd Heaven, which has no need of the Sun nor the Moon. Rev 21:23

No, the Light is not God, God would have no need to say " let their be light" God clearly created the Light after the Darkness was here 400 million years. That is just something you guys come up with because you're trying to explain why the Sun and stars were created on the fourth day, they WERE NOT, the Sun came forth on the Second day, and person with intelligence knows the Earth can not stay in its orbit without the sun holding it in its place. And God created the Stars also is just an added fact, stars are still being created today.

Only God is good. Mar 10:18 God Incarnate, the Literal Physical God, the Only God ever formed or that ever will be formed Isa 43:12 came into the physical world on the first Day. His task will be to take the air, dust and water and shape it into worlds and to defeat the darkness/death which is the LAST enemy to be destroyed, 1Co 15:26 at the end of the present 6th Day.

How do you guys not put these things together ? Read on down, everything God creates He says IT WAS GOOD !! Come-on man. Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. We are in the Seventh Day. That goes without saying.

Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 

[Aman777]

No. First I've heard this view, though, that we are living in the sixth day. The days are described just as ordinary days... evening/morning, darkness/light, 1st, 2nd, 3rd...6th, 7th. By resting on the 7th day, God gave us a pattern for our 7 day week and the concept of rest long before He instituted the Sabbath for Israel and asked them to cease working. He told the animals and man what they could eat--vegetarian diets. We don't know when the animals started eating meat, there's fossil evidence of animals eating other animals which may be pre-flood. In Genesis 9:3, after Noah and his family got off the ark, God extended permission to men to eat meat. The change in animals diets and dispositions (Genesis 9:2) were affected by the curse as all things are, even though it isn't mentioned specifically when the animals became carnivorous. At the end of the sixth day God said it was very good, and this was before sin and the death and suffering as a result.

Therein lies the problem. Today remains the 6th Creative Day/Age in God's Creation. God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ. In the creation story, we live at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, in the FUTURE, at the end of the 6th Day.

*** The first animal death is in Genesis 3:21 because of sin. God doesn't say what animal(s) were killed, but He made clothes of animal skins for Adam and Eve, thus He shed blood. So God was demonstrating from the beginning of sin that the covering of sin involves the shedding of blood--the death of something alive. Leviticus 17:11 and Hebrews 9:22 explain it. God requires a perfect blood sacrifice. Animals aren't sufficient, but He required them of Israel but beforehand esteemed or requested Abel's blood sacrifice, Noah's blood sacrifice, and Job's blood sacrifice), etc. This is why Jesus became the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world by the shedding of His sinless blood. That He is going to change the diets of the animals in the millennial kingdom (Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65) is just a reminder that animal death is part of the curse.

Amen. All shed blood was a picture, used to identify Jesus, Who offered the ultimate Sacrifice for the sins of Adam (mankind). Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7 confirm that this future event takes place AFTER Jesus returns, WHEN the Lion lays down by the Lamb. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

No, the Light is not God, God would have no need to say " let their be light" God clearly created the Light after the Darkness was here 400 million years. That is just something you guys come up with because you're trying to explain why the Sun and stars were created on the fourth day, they WERE NOT, the Sun came forth on the Second day, and person with intelligence knows the Earth can not stay in its orbit without the sun holding it in its place. And God created the Stars also is just an added fact, stars are still being created today.

Of course Stars are still coming into the physical world today because today IS the present 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. We live at Gen 1:27 and we will not advance to the prophecy of the events at the end of the present 6th Day until Jesus returns at Armageddon. Gen 1:28-31 is FUTURE to 2016.

*** How do you guys not put these things together ? Read on down, everything God creates He says IT WAS GOOD !! Come-on man. Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. We are in the Seventh Day. That goes without saying.

False, since FIRST every living creature MUST become a Vegetarian Gen 1:30 since the Lion cannot lay down beside the Lamb until both are veggie eaters. God, Who sees the future from the beginning will NOT say, It is very good, until later on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:31

*** Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.

Amen, at the end of the present 6th Day, after ALL the host of Heaven is safely in Heaven, as Gen 2:1 states, God will rest (Heb-Cease) from ALL of His Work which is Creating. He will rest because His work will be Finished (Heb-brought to perfection). THEN, at that future time, God will Cease ALL of His Creating since His perfect 3rd Heaven will be complete and filled with His children, including the LAST sinner to be saved, a future event to 2016. Amen?

 

[Luke17:37]

Therein lies the problem. Today remains the 6th Creative Day/Age in God's Creation. God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ. In the creation story, we live at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, in the FUTURE, at the end of the 6th Day.

*** The first animal death is in Genesis 3:21 because of sin. God doesn't say what animal(s) were killed, but He made clothes of animal skins for Adam and Eve, thus He shed blood. So God was demonstrating from the beginning of sin that the covering of sin involves the shedding of blood--the death of something alive. Leviticus 17:11 and Hebrews 9:22 explain it. God requires a perfect blood sacrifice. Animals aren't sufficient, but He required them of Israel but beforehand esteemed or requested Abel's blood sacrifice, Noah's blood sacrifice, and Job's blood sacrifice), etc. This is why Jesus became the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world by the shedding of His sinless blood. That He is going to change the diets of the animals in the millennial kingdom (Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65) is just a reminder that animal death is part of the curse.

Amen. All shed blood was a picture, used to identify Jesus, Who offered the ultimate Sacrifice for the sins of Adam (mankind). Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7 confirm that this future event takes place AFTER Jesus returns, WHEN the Lion lays down by the Lamb. God Bless you

Do you realize by insisting on a day-age, you are just going along with millions of years people, who state that the millions of dead fossils (with diseases, carnivorous behavior) existed prior to man. They deny the worldwide flood, which makes better sense of the fossils anyway. So if you uphold millions of years of death before sin you have to contradict that sin affected everything in creation (Romans 8:20-22), even animal life. And if Jesus, in removing the curse, brings animals to a vegetarian diet again (and unafraid of man), doesn't it make sense that animal death did not precede man or sin? And that's the clear reading of Scripture. Animals and people are vegetarians. Adam and Eve sin, and God kills an animal (or animals). After the worldwide flood, God permits men to eat animals.

Exodus 20:11 makes clear, in the past tense, that God made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, in six days, and on the seventh day He rested, combining Genesis 1:1 with the rest of Genesis 1 and through 2:3. But you say we are still in the sixth day, in which God saw that everything He had made was "very good". It is not very good today. Everyone is a sinner and wickedness is abounding more and more. There is suffering and sickness and death. All creation is groaning. God gave us our seven day week. Sabbath was made for man, as Jesus stated.

The clear biblical account does not suggest, imply, or allow for anything different than six ordinary days of creation. Man twists things in order to not disagree with the scientists who think they are smart and like to berate people who disagree with their "naturalistic" (no God) concept of beginnings. We need to believe God's Word and let the mockers mock.