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The way I see it is that blasphemy only happens when an individual knows for certain that it's God doing something, but still refuses to believe/speaks evil towards God. An example would be Pharaoh in the book of Exodus, when he knew for certain that it was God who brought the plagues on the Egyptians, but still hardened his heart and refused to believe.

With today's technologies can earthquakes tsunamis volcanic eruptions and meteors falling animals poisoned really be attributed to Hashem ?....man is capable of such destruction to even manipulate weather ...today.. man impersonates Hashem signs and wonders
 
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With today's technologies can earthquakes tsunamis volcanic eruptions and meteors falling animals poisoned really be attributed to Hashem ?....man is capable of such destruction to even manipulate weather ...today.. man impersonates Hashem signs and wonders
Fine. Let modern science turn a dried up stick into a live snake.
 
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Fine. Let modern science turn a dried up stick into a live snake.

I did not see the pharaoh magician produce a snake from a stick but I bet it was magical and dark with mirrors and smoke ...
 
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If Satan is able to produce genuine miracles wouldn't that mean he is a god ?.... There is no God but Hashem
So good it looks real genuine.... like Chris Angel does things.. scary good at it.
 
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Blasphemy is an anglicized form of the Greek term

blasphemia
derived from two roots,

blapto
, to injure, and
pheme, to speak.

The word would thus suggest injurious speech.

:oldthumbsup: I love etymology! It tells us so much.

I always thought that blaspheming the HS would be to reject his calling. Which in turn would leave one 'unsaved' thus that can't be forgiven because a gift was offered but rejected, thus Yeshua rejected.

However if it is actually a spoken thing I would agree that it would be giving credit to the Adversary for that which G-d alone deserves the credit.

Reminds me of this

8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.



Proper worship, credit where credit is due. :amen::bow::bow::bow: L-RD G-D
 
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I could be wrong, but what I'm trying to do is emphasize the connection between Yeshua's words on the blasphemy/slander of the Holy Spirit and the actual context in which he said these words, the context being an excorcism.

Most if not all other explanations of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that I have heard in my life have not tied directly to the context in which the statement was said, so I thought it was something worth investigating and subsequently sharing.
 
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I could be wrong, but what I'm trying to do is emphasize the connection between Yeshua's words on the blasphemy/slander of the Holy Spirit and the actual context in which he said these words, the context being an excorcism.

Most if not all other explanations of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that I have heard in my life have not tied directly to the context in which the statement was said, so I thought it was something worth investigating and subsequently sharing.
So how would you see it tying into Hebrews 6:4-8?

Perhaps there is an element of being blind to the evidence in front of them as Yeshua has to point out. Satan casting out Satan. That casting out a demon from a person made in the image of God can be stated as being equated to an utter act of the evil one. In that case they're viewing the God of Israel as being the evil one. I would guess there are numerous pagan shamans and witches to this day that would agree with them.
 
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If Satan is able to produce genuine miracles wouldn't that mean he is a god ?.... There is no God but Hashem
No, that would not mean he is a god. Just an inferior and illegitimate supernatural power.

John tells us that he and his minions do have a degree of supernatural power to perform miracles:

Revelation 16:14a for they are spirits of demons, performing signs,
 
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No, that would not mean he is a god. Just an inferior and illegitimate supernatural power.

John tells us that he and his minions do have a degree of supernatural power to perform miracles:

Revelation 16:14a for they are spirits of demons, performing signs,

Perhaps you are correct I'm not 100 percent sure though

I wonder what signs ..messianic prophectic signs is a possibility ?

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Satan power is over the nations ruling in high places ... What signs will he perform to deceive his agent is Hashem ? ... And what is a lying wonder ?
 
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So how would you see it tying into Hebrews 6:4-8?

I don't think the two are connected. "Falling away" and blasphemy are not the same, in my view.

Maybe they are the same, but I don't currently think they are.
 
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While it is tied to the context of exorcism... it was not pronounced against the one being exorcised.

Correct.

The sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (as defined in OP) would be on the part of someone besides the excorcist and the possessed person, specifically the sin would be with a person doing or speaking in such a way as to be defined as interrupting an effective excorcism, or condemning the outcome of a succesful excorcism, performed by the Holy Spirit.
 
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There is a fine line between discerning and dictating ... Those who think they know, because of their faith, may actually miss out of the real miracles. Yeshua, during His first ministry, did not require valid religious affiliations before healing them.

In one case, when the disciples were upset that a fellow was out casting out devils, without being "one of us", Yeshua got after the disciples about it rather than the fellow.

Luke 9:49 John answered, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us.”
 
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this is spiritual in nature and to blaspheme the Holy Spirit means essentially to call good evil and evil good and how can one be forgiven when they think good is evil and evil good? it is a complete distortion from the whole of reality of which the Holy Spirit is the final resolution of. the 'power' of satan is lies and the lie of forgiveness is unforgiveness.

so you can say that in duality ( the Son of God who is the son of man... is dual in nature as he is 2 ) there is chance of forgiveness for it is not the full revelation of reality but the Holy Spirit shows that the kingdom is found by the love of the first two ( the Father and the Son) and so to blaspheme the final unity of reality keeps one in separation and hell which I think is why Jesus said that they shall not be forgiven in this age nor the age to come, you see that that is two.

naturally to be forgiven whilst you are the second freedom, the emptiness of God, the lamb slain from before the foundation of the world, leads to unity to God. but the striking of the rock a second time would mean to kill the resurrection which is the denial of the divine mystery happening in man by staying in the crucified state of being. for the kingdom is not destroyed and is eternal. it is a denial of reality that keeps one in a fallen state.

so Jesus was stating reality itself, which I find him doing that a lot. his commands seem to be what actual being is, since evil is non-being or maybe more accurately, 'a distortion of being' since evil can't be of it's own since it's 'nature' is destruction of being. thus there is confusion in reality with man who is in a war of existing and not existing. but our Father wills everlasting life. mary shows you to the Son who leads to the Father and that would be the Kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God.
 
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It is the Holy Spirit that is getting blasphemed.... So let's look at it from the Holy Spirit point of view. It's job is to convict, convert, and be the conscience. If those things are rebelled against, then the avenues of salvation offers are closed. Maybe the biggest blaspheme is not in verbal abuse but in the rejection.
 
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