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Few will be saved?

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Paul says,
"...the wages of sin is death;"
(Romans 6:23)

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
You obviously have no conception of what spiritual death means, what fellowship with God through ongoing confession and repentance means , and the difference between living in the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Satan is.
As for your reference to the gospel:

Actually, most (and possibly not all) Eternal Security proponents only believe in a half gospel or a milk type only gospel (i.e. The gospel's initial portion that tells them to believe in His death and resurrection - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the milk of the Word that the Corinthians could only accept. It was the only message they could bear because they were still yet carnal (See 1 Corinthians 3:2-3). It's why Paul said he came not to know anything among the Corinthians accept Jesus and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2) because they would not be able to bear the second half of the message of the gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word).
Actually we do believe the entire gospel. We do not – as you do – link every reference to separation from God and failure to take the Kingdom of God by force as equating to loss of our salvation.
The majority of Eternal Security proponents do not believe in the Bible's full or complete gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word). The second half or truth of the gospel is that Christ died so as to redeem us from all iniquity and so as to live holy and be zealous of good works.
Actually the majority do believe in the entire gospel. I..e we believe in the entire gospel - from the translation from the being vessels of wrath to children of God whom God has predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son through sanctification by the Holy Spirit who will never leave or forsake us.
What is this faith look like?

James 2:17
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”

James 2:24
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

James 2:18
“shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

Titus 3:8
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works.”

1 Peter 4:1-2
1 For as much then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God

Colossians 1:21-23
21 “And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.”

Colossians 2:6-7
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith,as ye have been taught,”

1 John 1:7
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.”
No kidding? Tell us something we don’t know.

You obviously have no conception of Christ's ministry after Calvary.

Repent of your gospel according to works and accept Jesus Christ and His accomplishments at Calvary as your only hope of salvation and you will receive the Holy Spirit of God who will give you the required insight to have a cohesive theology concerning salvation.
 
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Does that mean that absolutely everyone other than Noah's family went to Hell? That would have to mean that infants burn in hell....absurd

Yes they were physically destroyed by the flood but what can be said of their eternal destiny?

It's not all that absurd about infants if Genesis 6 is actually speaking of fallen angels mating with human women and having hybrids. No demonic children will be in heaven. I think this is also why God told the Israelites to kill whole nations, including women and children. Why not tell them to save the children and raise them as Israelites? No, I think even those children were demonic.
 
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People don't just assume they are correct. In fact they are terrified of thinking because asking questions leads to social ostracism almost everywhere or even execution in some countries!

Imagine that you live in North Korea. How eager are you to question dear leader? Will you grab that Bible if it means you get to watch your whole family put to the firing squad? You probably won't even get past Genesis before you lose everything!

The Bible makes it very clear that the path of a Christian is extremely dangerous. Even here in the developed world we have serious social pressures against it.
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Yep. In many cases they had to disappear into the catacombs just to try and hide from the authorities. Other than John, everybody died a horrific death. Giving up family, friends, job, ministry, possessions, health and life itself was the norm for a long time. Getting the truth and living it is a royal pain. Lots of work too.

That said, God promises that if we keep on continuously seeking, knocking ... as a habit and way of life we will find before we die. But it's the present tense. Those that stop making sure, double checking, examining the scriptures diligently daily, being workmen cutting straight the word of God, continuously proving all things over and over again as a habit and way of life ... aren't guaranteed a thing.

All of those verses are in the present tense - ongoing continuous, never stopping ... action. But as long as that's your new way of life you are guaranteed a win.

And yes... getting the truth always costs you your life. He who will keep his life will lose it. He who loses his life for My sake will keep it.

It is nice to have God's guarantee that if getting the truth and living it is the focus of our life we will get the Holy Spirit / salvation before we die. The price is high ... your life. The price of not giving up your life now is much higher. Everyone chooses ... pay now or pay later.
 
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and if only a few million are saved then the cross was a MISERABLE FAILURE! We would be better off looking for a different god...

The number needs to be much much larger than that!

The number is simply speculation, based on speculation of how many people ever existed.

The number itself doesn't matter. That fact is the number is FEW, relative to the WHOLE of all ever born.

If "You", find it UN-worthy, and a "fail" to be counted among the "FEW", that is "Your" prerogative.

"You" do not have to worry about God dragging you, kicking and screaming in protest, to BE among the FEW.

FYI - ALL will "believe", thus your "failure" claim is moot.
FYI - ALL will not be "saved", thus scriptures claim of "Few" shall be fulfilled.
FYI - The FEW "chosen" are Gods "worthy".

Isa 45
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Matt 22
[14]
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Rev 3
[4] Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.


Trust God.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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and if only a few million are saved then the cross was a MISERABLE FAILURE! We would be better off looking for a different god...

The number needs to be much much larger than that!


Its the mortals who have failed Jesus and God. God didn't fail. Mortals are blind as bats--Satan and his teachers transform into angels of light( 2Cor 11:12-15) making things off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) look loving to the mortal heart. satan owns 99% of all religion on earth.
 
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The wording means literally, "To groan" There was usually a hole in the 6 foot thick (Or thicker) walls of a major city to allow someone to shimmy through after hours if he didn't make it back in before the gates were closed. You literally lost skin squeezing through in places. Definitely not for fat people.

Now think on this. Did Jesus choose the wrong illustration? Was He mistaken? He was referring to the wide gates of the city that could pass 4 carts through at the same time, that had large crowds of people passing through easily, sometimes thousands an hour... easily. Now comparatively, how many people squeezed through the wall in a day. Understand that the "Many" who are on the broad path are those who KNOW Jesus is their Lord. They have no clue whatsoever that they aren't real Christians and that Jesus NEVER knew them. These people KNOW that they are right with God and that Jesus is their Lord. And they are doing everything every Christian is doing. Obviously if only one in thousands makes it.

Shouldn't that make people in "Christian" belief groups nervous? Shouldn't that result in every single person dedicating themselves to getting every single passage that "might" apply to the religious lost, and every single passage that "might" pertain to true Christians and then figuring out a consistent meaning of the words/root words/phrases as they are used throughout the N.T. and the Septuagint that Jesus and His disciples quoted from, holding fast to context, flow of thought and discussion, neither excluding any passages nor adding meaning, removing any meaning nor distorting any meaning to make it fit your beliefs, but getting the exact meaning of each and every passage and then combining ALL of it so nothing is left out and absolutely everything fits with everything else, again, without adding, subtracting or distorting anything … There are almost 450 passages, almost 1500 verses in the New Testament on this topic people! How many does your belief group “select” out to prove it’s beliefs are true?

Think about it. Look at the groups you believe, believe lies? What do they do?

1.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove their beliefs true.

2.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove all opposing beliefs false.

3.) They interpret all of their “selected” data in the light of their beliefs.

4.) Once they have proven their beliefs true beyond any shadow of a doubt it helps with interpreting everything else. The only correct interpretation of any passage has to fit with, or at least not negate, their beliefs, right?

Do this with any belief or set of beliefs and you can prove any belief under the sun to be correct. The more you gather things to prove your beliefs true, the more you gather things to prove all opposing beliefs false, the more you figure out how to interpret everything in the light of your beliefs, the further closed you are to even considering that your core beliefs might be wrong, the more closed you are at considering that another belief that contradicts yours could be right. Your eyes and ears are closed and you are hardened into believing whatever it was you got convinced of in the first place.

Look at that process people.

How much data must you gather to prove your current beliefs true before you recognize that that belief is a lie? Answer: It’ll never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data must you gather to prove all opposing beliefs false before you see that you were wrong and that that belief is actually the truth? Answer: It will never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data, how many passages … must you figure out how to interpret in the light of your beliefs before you see that your beliefs are wrong? Answer: You will never ever see, you will never ever hear, because you have closed your eyes and ears lest you see and hear and return to God?

If you use that methodology above and hold to your core beliefs as infallible, as unquestionably true, do you seek truth? Do you want ANYTHING at all to do with truth? Do you love truth? What do you love? You love your beliefs, right? You are getting what you are seeking are you not? You are getting what you want, are you not?

People: Wake UP!

I can’t seek truth for you. Yes I am putting out a book called, “Salvation: According to the Book”, BUT YOU CAN’T TRUST ME! If Jesus is right only 1 in 5000 has the correct gospel in the first place. Do you get that. No religious leader, teacher, prophet … is trustworthy. Yes, no matter what you “want” to believe EVERYONE from every belief group gets what they need to believe their beliefs, their gospel, their belief group … has the truth. If that’s what you go with, you deserve what you get.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, it starts out about the lost in the end times, “but” Paul applies the same standard to those alive then in verse 13 and says that they pass this exact same test. Examine yourselves to see if you really are in the faith, or in fact do you fail the test? And don’t compare yourselves with yourselves… that is most definitely NOT wise.

Look at all the people you believe have completely missed the boat and aren't Christians in spite of what they believe. Is 2Th 2:10-12 not fully descriptive of where they are at? Where are you at?

Final thing. It's not only ourselves who we are to check to see if we pass the test. After telling people that they should examine themselves, he says, "I trust that you will see that we do not fail the test."

Get EVERYTHING God says on the topic, all the differences, every attitude, every response, every single piece and be a workman who need not stand ashamed before God because you cut every single piece out straight. Keep on continuously proving all things over and over again as a habit and way of live and hold fast to that which is true/good no matter what it does to your beliefs OR Keep proving your beliefs true and hold fast to them. Pick one.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


The truth Jesus brought had 2 sides--the teachings of eternal life in Gods kingdom and the opposite. His truth as well exposed the false god worship and pagan practices off the table of demons. They did not like those truths back then or now, so they killed Jesus, apostles then the followers.

Its hard for one to find -TRUTH-- in this world. Jesus started-ONE religion( 1Cor 1:10)--there are 34,000 religions claiming to belong to Jesus--one does.
 
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and if only a few million are saved then the cross was a MISERABLE FAILURE! We would be better off looking for a different god...
The number needs to be much much larger than that!
Luke 18:25 it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, than for a wealthy man to enter into the Kingdom...narrow (from obstacles standing near about) is the way and few there be that will find it
 
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Luke 18:25 it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle, than for a wealthy man to enter into the Kingdom...narrow (from obstacles standing near about) is the way and few there be that will find it

If someone prefers uninteresting material goods to much more interesting heavenly things then doesn't that indicate that there is a flaw in the design of that mortal's brain?

It's like trying to convince someone with severe mental disability to get interested in quantum electrodynamics xD
 
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I think we have to be careful how we interpret the Bible. My interpretation is that "few will be saved" based upon the fact that there will be a lot of non-believers. Few means non-believers!
No it means their will be a few believers that will be saved. Read the Greek!
 
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A woman leader at the church Bishop Joseph Garlington grew up in said that in her study only about 7 or 8 people from all of time would actually get into heaven. (not even all of the apostles)
Weird
 
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when Jesus said few will be saved did he just mean only a small percentage of the world will believe in him?
If Jesus said "few will be saved" then that's what he meant. But he didn't say it. Someone asked him, probably because they thought his standards were too high, perhaps to mock or discredit him.

What Jesus answered was: not how many, but rather, what we have to do. The target is small: only one way to redemption, many to perdition.
 
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Jesus said "few will be saved" then that's what he meant. But he didn't say it.
Matthew 7:14
For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
 
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For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Thank you for calling out this verse (Matthew 7:14); I was replying specifically to (Luke 13:23) and following.

This verse in (Matthew 7:14) says few "will find" the gate, or perhaps, few "are finding" the gate. It doesn't say few "will be" saved. "Finding" and "being" are quite different concepts philosophically. The phrases are: "Finding life" and "will be saved". "Finding" is a ongoing moment by moment activity. "Being" is a condition of permanence after arriving.

Also (Matthew 22:14): many are called, but few are chosen. Being chosen is an ongoing condition after the choice by God. Being called happens repeatedly as an ongoing activity by God.

I wonder if Jesus is talking about: for all of time only a tiny percentage will end up redeemed; or whether he means at any given moment? For example, if you examined my life at any instant, for only a few of these instants (those after I became a Christian) was I entering at the narrow gate. Those who convert at the end of their life will have a correspondingly smaller percentage of time spent entering in the narrow gate.

Anyway, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
 
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This verse in (Matthew 7:14) says few "will find" the gate, or perhaps, few "are finding" the gate. It doesn't say few "will be" saved.
Check out the previous verse:

13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it​

"Life" and "destruction" are eternal destinies.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.
Jesus was speaking about his own faithless generation.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.
Most people "proclaim" to be Christians, however they classify themselves as a certain religion by birthrights. Unless a man be born-again, he will not see the kingdom of Heaven, Jesus said. John 3:3
 
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Most people "proclaim" to be Christians, however they classify themselves as a certain religion by birthrights. Unless a man be born-again, he will not see the kingdom of Heaven, Jesus said. John 3:3
1 John chapter 4 verse 7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.
I very recently read that 83% of America professes Christ. The truth is that one must be born again to hope for Heaven. Being obedient to the Commandments Christ gave are impossible to obey without Christ Living within you. “Ye shall through much tribulation enter into The Kingdom of God”. This is all Spiritual.

Acts.14
  1. [22] Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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