Few Questions??

Kenny'sID said:

Hmm, 2 @ 100%? interesting. Maybe they should rename those "Episcopatheran", since they are that close, unite em' and be done with it.

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The Episcopal Church and the ELCA decided a few years ago that we were very close in many things, so we now have an agreement whereby we are in full communion and can share clergy, while still retaining our two separate identities: Evangelical Lutheran Church in America . So, not quite united, but close enough.

PloverWing said:

The Episcopal Church and the ELCA decided a few years ago that we were very close in many things, so we now have an agreement whereby we are in full communion and can share clergy, while still retaining our two separate identities: Evangelical Lutheran Church in America . So, not quite united, but close enough.

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Interesting, and that indicates at least a certain amount of accuracy with test provided here.

Kenny'sID said:

Hmm, 2 @ 100%? interesting. Maybe they should rename those "Episcopatheran", since they are that close, unite em' and be done with it.

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Actually, in my diocese, we have several federated Episcopal-Lutheran congregations! haha

Kenny'sID said:

Hmm, 2 @ 100%? interesting. Maybe they should rename those "Episcopatheran", since they are that close, unite em' and be done with it.

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I had 5 with 100%

Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.

So what would we fit into church wise better?

I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?

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what a lot of waffle.
we are not called to fit into any denomination but to repent,be baptized and recieve the holy Ghost.
since youve declared you dont believe in one.of the manifestations of the holy Spirit you want get that promise ubtil you repent
of unbelief.
you dont need to fit.into a denomination.
you need to repent of following man and be saved from folowing man.

Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a

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Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise

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Divide and conquer. God did not make denominations, man's nature did along with the help of Satan.

Imagine what would have happened if Moses delivering 10 simple Commandments to his people and then all the sudden they all just splintered off into groups based upon which Commandments they were going to follow or not based upon their individual interpretations.

Not that I don't think people should be wise and consider what is the truth for in these regards there's only one absolute truth. I believe the key here is in conforming to the truth and worshipping God in truth and in spirit.

That being said you could be absolutely wrong on some of your assumptions and beliefs. Maybe this is why you're having such a difficult time finding the right denomination?

Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.

So what would we fit into church wise better?

I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?

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Welcome to the site. I also am relatively new to this site. I've only been here for a few months.

As to your list of beliefs and statements, I would like to address them with the following;

1John.2

1. [27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Many profess to be born again, very few are. You pray and struggle to be obedient to God's Word as best you can. If you truly seek, you will find. This is The Word of God. The only possesion that you have that is of the most serious and precious thing without anything to compare it to is your soul. There is nothing in the universe that even approaches the value of your soul. We have a very short period of time in this life and I believe that our most important mission is to first find Christ for yourself and to grow in Christ. The second most important mission in this life is to share The Gospel with others by living an obedient life and sharing The Word of God with anyone that is willing to receive it.

My very brief story of my salvation follows;

I thought I was born again and testified as much for many years. I had about a 20 second conversation with a man visiting the church we went to many years before my experience. He asked me if I was born again and I said yes and he said I thought I was. That was the end of that conversation with a man I never saw again and had never seen before and I had completely forgotten about it. Then about 16 years later, I was called. When Christ came to me like a thief in the night, I was made aware of that conversation about 16 years prior. Also, at about the same time we were at that church, I had read The Scripture
Rom.8

1. [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I asked an elder of that church what that Scripture meant. He told me something like "well Jim I'll tell ya, the people that that Scripture is talking about know who they are" to which I replied something like "well I don't know so it's not me". When Christ came to me about 16 years later I remembered that conversation as well because Christ was giving them back to me. The rebirth story is long and still ongoing. However, I can say that I learned The Fear of The Lord very early in that experience which for me was like Bone paralyzing terror. Also, if those days had not been shortened, I would not have made it. Strong delusions also occurred and I literally had to write Scripture down on paper to hold on. I was taken to my personal limit. I thank God for His Mercy and Grace and Wisdom in the true way all of The Word of God fits so perfectly with what actually happens. I usually suggest to those that I witness to to continue trying to be obedient to God's Word. To whom much is given much is expected and I have failed. I have met 4 others over the last 26 years approximately that have gone through the same experience that I went through. Two of whom had never met another until very recently. One with whom I still fellowship with by phone recently met another.

In the day of your visitation, you will not be disappointed if you have sincerely worked to be obedient to God's Word. You might want to lookup the word "visitation" in The KJV of The Bible. I can say that in the day when your eyes are opened and the scales removed and your ears are opened to hear the pure truth of God's Word, The KJV version of God's Word is most accurate in describing the very Spiritual Truths about the entire rebirth experience. You might want to read the entire story surrounding Numbers 16:29. You also might want to read Malachi 3:1-3. I'm assuming that you will have the visitation that is common to all men with the exceptions Moses speaks of in the aforementioned Word found in Numbers.

Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.

So what would we fit into church wise better?

I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?

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ill answer your questions to the best of my ability

1 god the father the son and the holy spirit are 3 entites but make one being god is the father the son and the holy spirit.

2 the lord said that any one the father has given me cannot be snatched out of my hand we all fall down but the lord will pick you back up

3 I don't know much about this one the bible does say that but god use any one he wants for his glory

4 none the less its teachings are true

5 faith is one of the most important things the lord did say your children will prophesy so its possible but be weary of false prophets If its the holy spirit is speaking you will know

6 hell is a spiritual place there are passages in the old testament which say this

7 drinking it self is not sinfull nor is it against the law but it is much easier to fall into sin while drunk

8 also true

9 Lucifer is the devil at one point in time maybe but what makes us his children is faith and satan has chosen darkness rather than light so he and all the angels that have turned from god are no longer part of the family.

also satan is not knowledge that is an occultic belief god is the one who gives/created knowledge/wisdom it says in the bible with wisdom god made all things

as to what church I would ask god to guide you and if you have faith god will lead you

Frozenocean said:

I say light bringer, bringer of dawn, morning star based on Greek and Latin translations of the root word.

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Which root word? Not in Genesis. There's a reference to Lucifer in Isaiah, the "morning star", but there's nothing about that in Genesis.

I've started here, not to put you on the spot, but because your questions reflect a mixture of Biblical and extra-Biblical tradition. I myself see no reason to prefer one over the other (I'm not a Protestant, obviously), but I DO think that it is important to keep them clear and distinct, so that we will know exactly where an idea comes from and be able to evaluate whether or not we think it's important.

Obviously within my own denomination there is a HUGE variety of different beliefs and practices, from all around the world, and that's all ok as long as certain basics are preserved.

jonbanjo said:

I had 5 with 100%

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Wow, if we aren't careful, next thing we know, we've done away with them all, and we're all just Christians with a common goal.

Non-post - ignore

Sam91 said:

Have you seen this? I used it lightheartedly but got someone else to do it and they did get different answers.

Christian Denomination Selector, a SelectSmart.com Religion selector. Ask about my top result.

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What rubbish, apparently I'm a Zoroastrian simply because I sacrifice goats in my basement on fire-days.

Frozenocean said:

new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.

Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.

So what would we fit into church wise better?

I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?

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You definitely sound like a cessationist, (don't mean that in a bad way although I am not of your opinion on such matters)...

Perhaps Southern Baptist would be a good fit for you. At some point you will have to compromise a bit on what church to attend. Not that you should ever compromise your beliefs or faith, but I have found that finding a church that I agree with 100% is next to impossible, so I found a church that is close, perhaps 100% on non-negotiable doctrines, and I can scratch along with the others.

But yeah, Southern Baptist is probably a good way to go.

PuerAzaelis said:

What rubbish, apparently I'm a Zoroastrian simply because I sacrifice goats in my basement on fire-days.

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Interesting, apparently I am a 100% match for Seventh Day Adventist... Who knew?

Don't they preach if you don't worship on the Sabbath you aren't really saved? (Curious)

PuerAzaelis said:

What rubbish, apparently I'm a Zoroastrian simply because I sacrifice goats in my basement on fire-days.

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I did say lighthearted hehe

My own answers to your numbered questions
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.

To me, the Trinitarian doctrines were so unimportant that God never bothered to reveal them even when he walked the earth as a man. Scripture does reveal that there are Seven Spirits of God, not just one. Jesus said to worship the Father, so that's what I do. Christians get into a tizzy over the doctrines of men, and divide over them. Obviously my own Church has a doctrine in this regard, that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are said to be "consubstantial", whatever that means. (I know what it means.) The Trinity is not central to my own thinking about God, but if you're going to be in my denomination, you're going to have to recite at every mass that you believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, that the Father and Son are consubstantial, and that the Holy Spirit "proceeds" from the Father and the Son. What you think those words mean is up to you to figure out. There is no test at the door.


2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.

If you are in a state of sin, you need to confess the sin to God and be forgiven it, then you are no longer in a state of sin, until you sin again. Jesus said what the deadly sins are in two lists at the end of Revelation. It's not the Ten Commandments Old Testament list, but a different list.


3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.

The leader of my Church, and the priests and bishops, have always been men, and always will be. Women have important support roles, as nuns and abbesses.


4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.

There is no "end-all-correct-Bible". The original manuscripts have been gone for millennia. All of our bibles are based on copied texts, or recensions of copied texts. Translations always change the way that things are understood.

5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.

No argument here.

6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.

There is no "Hell" in the traditional sense of the world. Before the end there is Sheol/Hades, which is divided into Gan Eden/Paradise and Gehenna. They are separated by a black chasm which may have at the bottom of it the pit of Tartarus, of the fallen angels. At the end of the world, the New Jerusalem, the City of God, comes down to the New Earth and the dead are raised and come out of Sheol/Hades, either Gan Eden/Paradise or Gehenna. They are judged by Christ, who sits on the throne. Those who pass final judgment walk through one of the gates of the City of God, to live with God. Those who fail are thrown into the Lake of Fire for their second death.

If one wishes to call the Lake of Fire "Hell", that's fine, but those thrown into it are dead. If one wishes to call Gehenna "Hell", that's fine, but it is temporary and a place where debts of sin are paid - it is purgatorial, not eternal "Hell".

One may call the black chasm "Hell", but there's no indication that people go there.


7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.

Speaking in tongues seems to be one of several phenomena, one of which might be spiritual. People have different relationships with God, and he expresses himself in many ways. Snakes are animals. Some are poisonous. If they bite you, you might die. Leave snakes alone - to handle them relying on "divine security" is putting God to the test, and tempting him to let you get bitten to remind people not to do that. "Hellfire" exists, in the Lake of Fire, and Gehenna is pretty parched and nasty. Whether or to anybody ends up in one then depends on God. Beer? Drinking alcohol is not only not a sin, the New Covenant with Jesus Christ was made, by God himself, using wine. So Christians are REQUIRED to drink a little bit of wine, anyway, to "drink his blood" (although, for the squeamish, to eat the bread of his flesh is good enough). Nobody is damned for drinking three beers. Those who say they are lie, and lying IS on the list of deadly sins that will get you thrown into the Lake of Fire at final judgment, if unforgiven. Drinking alcohol is not on the list of deadly sins. In fact, it is not a sin at all. Neither is smoking a cigarette.

8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.

Yes, obviously.

Other Catholics would have different answers on these questions. There is a wide divergence of belief among individuals in the Catholic Church. You'd probably fit there, but if you're looking for people to police, to ensure doctrinal purity, or to talk with much about abstract religious doctrines, you might not find Catholicism very interesting. By and large, Catholicism is between you and God. You dance the steps of an old dance, as part of the tried and true traditions that keep people focused on God. And then you figure it out...and pretty much keep it to yourself. Sure, you can talk to other Catholics about what you believe, but they're probably not going to be very interested, or very argumentative. Catholic religious belief (as opposed to ritual), is a very personal thing between you and God. It's done in a big crowd, with bells and smells and music and pageant. But the actual believing, acting, and sorting out what's what is left up to you.

You may not find Catholicism to be sufficiently structured or sufficiently organized socially to be what you are looking for.

If you're a Catholic, you'll certainly find no end of people who will tell you everything that's wrong with your religion!

So, I'd say that you're perfect for Catholicism. Whether or not Catholicism is perfect for YOU is a different question.

Nobody is going to preach hellfire at you for your cranky beliefs about Lucifer, because nobody is going to know them. And if they do know them, nobody is going to say much. You do you, and stick to doing the things that God said, and you'll probably be alright in the end. That you can certainly do in the Catholic Church (in any one of its 24 different church "flavors"). Whether you will find the loose and individualized Catholic relationship to God to be adequately social for you is a matter of taste. Most Protestants are used to church being a weekly social EVENT, for which one dresses up, where one sees and is seen, and interacts. You can find that in the Catholic Church, but you have to work for it.