Feminism

[durangodawood]

Feminism has had the effect of creating hostility between the two sexes where none would’ve existed otherwise....

Theres a little bit of that for sure.

But mostly the hostility is men's anguish at losing unearned privilege.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Feminism is a more a grab for power than equality, that has deep roots going back to Lucifer. My opinion of course.

 

[mothcorrupteth]

"Equality" is such a stupid goal. I prefer to say I am in favor of "asymmetrical parity."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm not happy with "isms" in general. I don't believe that feminism has achieved much. The social engineering taking place in education has made women stronger by denigrating and belittling men (in my part of the world at least). Many men are responding with aggression and resentment. I recall feminists complaining that men made them just sex objects. Now the way many women dress, they invite the charge of total hypocrisy and they have made themselves exactly what they profess to despise.
Men and women are different and have different roles. The western world rejects this. What do we expect? The spirit of Antichrist is exceedingly active.
Women are paying a huge price for their supposed freedoms. It's a shame. It's even worse when Christian women feel the need to throw out God's word and embrace the world's view of what it means to be a woman.

A great point. Women are naturally sexually attractive to men, then put that allure in overdrive through makeup and dress. And as physiologists point out they have an organ designed specifically for sexual pleasure, that men do not have. Women also have the ability to use sex as a 'lever' in relationships, especially in marriage.

 

[Dave-W]

Do you believe the tension was bound to erupt?

Likely to erupt. Not sure "bound" is the right word unless you are talking over a VERY long time frame.

 

[Dave-W]

"Equality" is such a stupid goal. I prefer to say I am in favor of "asymmetrical parity."

Care to explain?

 

[Chris V++]

If men as a whole acted Godly towards women there wouldn't have been a need for a movement. Jesus was radically pro woman but some of the early church fathers and reformers seemed misogynist by comparison. Just google 'misogynistic quotes by the early church fathers.'

But, women don't seem to make it easy on one another, at least in the USA.

'Misogynist — A man who hates women as much as women hate other women.'

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Theres a little bit of that for sure.

But mostly the hostility is men's anguish at losing unearned privilege.

There's truth to that. Rejection, or lack of opportunity, to have sex can have a harmful effect on a man's ego, leading to hostility.

 

[devin553344]

The feminist movement promised equality and choice for women. Has it achieved its aim? Have women leveled the playing field? Or have we paid a heavy price by embracing its principles?

What are the pros and cons of its continuance? Is it time for change?

Is the philosophy compatible with Christianity?

Feminism is important for women to get recognition for their deeds. It's maybe time for change?

 

[durangodawood]

There's truth to that. Rejection, or lack of opportunity, to have sex can have a harmful effect on a man's ego, leading to hostility.

Am I hearing that a man is entitled to enjoy womens' bodies? Or am I reading too much into this?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Am I hearing that a man is entitled to enjoy womens' bodies? Or am I reading too much into this?

Men are invited but not entitled. Men who act out of entitlement are called...rapists.

 

[A_Thinker]

The feminist movement promised equality and choice for women. Has it achieved its aim? Have women leveled the playing field? Or have we paid a heavy price by embracing its principles?

What are the pros and cons of its continuance? Is it time for change?

Is the philosophy compatible with Christianity?

One has to consider that one of the early accomplishments of feminism was securing, for women, the right to vote.

Feminism also seeks to ensure that a women is paid equally to man for the same work. This has yet to be accomplished in our society.

Feminism is responsible for other changes in our society as well, some good, ... some not so good.

I think that we (society) is still figuring it out. I don't think that you want to discard this particular catalyst for change ... until we've made all of the necessary changes for women to have equity in our society.

 

[durangodawood]

Men are invited but not entitled.

I think lots of men think they are entitled to this invitation without having to do much of anything to improve their attractiveness, both physically and in terms of character. (Hmm. Maybe this belongs in that other thread.)

My experience with feminists has been all around great, although I probably choose for company feminists who are very open to expressing their femininity... while also participating fully in all arenas of life.

 

[Paidiske]

The feminist movement promised equality and choice for women. Has it achieved its aim?

No.

Have women leveled the playing field?

No.

Or have we paid a heavy price by embracing its principles?

None that I can see. Feminism isn't perfect and hasn't been perfectly achieved, but I'm educated, employed, own money and property and have a bunch of legal protections that didn't exist for my grandmothers. On the whole, I'd say we've come out ahead.

What are the pros and cons of its continuance?

Pro - we continue to make progress towards the full equality of women and men. I can't see any cons, unless you think the status quo is good enough.

Is it time for change?

Now, if you're asking, can feminism be improved, either in its discourse or its activism, I'd have to say, sure, and I'd love to have a discussion on that.

If you're asking, should feminism be abandoned, I'd say no.

Is the philosophy compatible with Christianity?

Feminism in a nutshell: Men and women are equal, and should be treated as such. Yep, that's compatible with Christianity.

 

[Larniavc]

all patriarchal men are despots that deserve to be overthrown.

Dunno about that. I open doors for women and would offer to carry stuff for them.

No one ever patriarched me for it.

 

[Larniavc]

Many men are responding with aggression and resentment.

Showing the absolute need for feminism. Maybe stop with the aggressive resentment and things will improve.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think lots of men think they are entitled to this invitation without having to do much of anything to improve their attractiveness, both physically and in terms of character. (Hmm. Maybe this belongs in that other thread.)

My experience with feminists has been all around great, although I probably choose for company feminists who are very open to expressing their femininity... while also participating fully in all arenas of life.

Feminists like to argue too much.

 

[zephcom]

The feminist movement promised equality and choice for women. Has it achieved its aim? Have women leveled the playing field? Or have we paid a heavy price by embracing its principles?

What are the pros and cons of its continuance? Is it time for change?

Is the philosophy compatible with Christianity?

Interesting questions...especially the last one.

Has it achieved its aim??? No. But social change is a long term project and there have been advancements. There will be more in the future. Uprooting an entrenched minority's hold on power is not something which occurs overnight.

Have women leveled the playing field? I do think the playing field is more level than it used to be. After all, America has had its first Black president...a man, of course but still a seismic change. And it appears to be getting closer and closer to having a woman president. But no, the playing field is not level yet.

Have we paid a heavy price by embracing its principles? Certainly men think so. I believe men are scared silly about losing control. We understand that when oppressors lose the ability to oppress others, they become susceptible to being oppressed themselves.

Is the philosophy compatible with Christianity? No. Is the philosophy compatible with Jesus' teachings?? Yes.

 

[durangodawood]

Feminists like to argue too much.

I think thats more about you. You prefer to shun actual argument and just drop your truth as if its the truth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think thats more about you. You prefer to shun actual argument and just drop your truth as if its the truth.

Truth is truth, even in bits and pieces.