Fellowship with CindyisHis (4) Part one

[icedtea]

truth!

 

[ralangley]

God bless you in your ministry.

Hey, same to you!!!

 

[CindyisHis]

You do well Cindy to turn our hearts towards our Father!! Thank you..

So do you.

 

[ralangley]

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward Your holy temple and praise Your name for Your loving-kindness and for Your truth and faithfulness; for You have exalted above all else Your name and Your word and You have magnified Your word above all Your name!

Sometimes, if not always, I think it's good to offer a prayer of praise to the Lord. I think most always praise is best to precede everything we are planning to say. We enter His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with praise.

Our prayer should always be "Word-based". If we prayer according to His will we know He hears us. And if He hears us we know we have that which we have prayed for.

1 John 5:14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.



His Word is His will.

This is good, thank you. I'm currently going through an interesting read, "Possessing the Gates of the Enemy" by Cindy Jabobs. One chapter is entitled, "Flakey Intercession". Her point in this chapter is that people can sometimes pray from wrong intentions. She likens some praying to witchcraft in that an element of manipulation and control enters into the prayer.

I find this very confusing because I've always been specific in my prayers. I also envision what I'm praying for - whether it be healing, salvation, or some other desired outcome. Is this witchcraft? Am I praying outside the will of my Father when I pray this way?

I'm concerned because I'm a trained hypnotherapist from my former life and I don't want to engage in the hocas pocas of my past.

 

[CindyisHis]

This is good, thank you. I'm currently going through an interesting read, "Possessing the Gates of the Enemy" by Cindy Jabobs. One chapter is entitled, "Flakey Intercession". Her point in this chapter is that people can sometimes pray from wrong intentions. She likens some praying to witchcraft in that an element of manipulation and control enters into the prayer.

I find this very confusing because I've always been specific in my prayers. I also envision what I'm praying for - whether it be healing, salvation, or some other desired outcome. Is this witchcraft? Am I praying outside the will of my Father when I pray this way?

I'm concerned because I'm a trained hypnotherapist from my former life and I don't want to engage in the hocas pocas of my past.

I appreciate your desire to obey the Lord and to do things His way. I see in you a readiness to conform to Him completely. Would to God the whole church have this disposition.

I will have to think on this to give scripture to support. Bottom line is, if we don't have scripture to support it, it is only man's idea. I would be sure Cindy Jacobs has scripture to support her points. And the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it. You'll either have a peace about it, or you'll "smell a rat".

I've heard very good and respected teachers teach that if you can't see it first you can't receive it. That is because it is first received in our spirit before it ever manifests in the natural. One must believe first. We walk by faith and not by sight, the sight of our natural eyes. Faith does have "eyes". In Ephesians 1 Paul prays the Lord will open the eyes of our understanding. I think seeing it first is evidence of faith, as long as the picture is not what is guiding you. If the picture you see is produced by the Word, rather than faith produced by the picture we decide we'd like to have come to pass than I think you're okay. Can you see the difference?

One can imagine nearly anything, but that doesn't mean it is God's will. Merely picturing something we really want doesn't mean we will get it, or that this is God's way. Our picturing is because we have chewed on the Word for so long it has become more real to us than what the facts may be indicating in the natural realm. For instance, I may see a tumor, a spot, or some physical evidence of disease, but I can fix my gaze on Jesus for so long, upon the bronze serpent hung on the pole (Numbers 23?) that all I see is healing, that He was a made a curse for me so I would not have to bear the curse of sickness and disease. This scripture on the bronze serpent is critical in our understanding and implementing in our walk. It is not the bronze serpent, but the type and shadow it stands for - Jesus, whom we fix our eyes on without wavering. At this point we believe Jesus has healed us more than the spot or tumor saying we are sick. We have looked so long, we are not moved by what we see.

Make sense?

 

[CindyisHis]

Numbers 21:6 The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 So the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us." And Moses interceded for the people.
8 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live."
9 And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.

 

[ralangley]

I appreciate your desire to obey the Lord and to do things His way. I see in you a readiness to conform to Him completely. Would to God the whole church have this disposition.

I will have to think on this to give scripture to support. Bottom line is, if we don't have scripture to support it, it is only man's idea. I would be sure Cindy Jacobs has scripture to support her points. And the Holy Spirit will bear witness to it. You'll either have a peace about it, or you'll "smell a rat".

I've heard very good and respected teachers teach that if you can't see it first you can't receive it. That is because it is first received in our spirit before it ever manifests in the natural. One must believe first. We walk by faith and not by sight, the sight of our natural eyes. Faith does have "eyes". In Ephesians 1 Paul prays the Lord will open the eyes of our understanding. I think seeing it first is evidence of faith, as long as the picture is not what is guiding you. If the picture you see is produced by the Word, rather than faith produced by the picture we decide we'd like to have come to pass than I think you're okay. Can you see the difference?

One can imagine nearly anything, but that doesn't mean it is God's will. Merely picturing something we really want doesn't mean we will get it, or that this is God's way. Our picturing is because we have chewed on the Word for so long it has become more real to us than what the facts may be indicating in the natural realm. For instance, I may see a tumor, a spot, or some physical evidence of disease, but I can fix my gaze on Jesus for so long, upon the bronze serpent hung on the pole (Numbers 23?) that all I see is healing, that He was a made a curse for me so I would not have to bear the curse of sickness and disease. This scripture on the bronze serpent is critical in our understanding and implementing in our walk. It is not the bronze serpent, but the type and shadow it stands for - Jesus, whom we fix our eyes on without wavering. At this point we believe Jesus has healed us more than the spot or tumor saying we are sick. We have looked so long, we are not moved by what we see.

Make sense?

Yeah, it does. There have been times during prayer when I get such a solid image that I know for certain the prayer has been answered. It wasn't something I manufactured, it was a vision from God. Other times, well, I've had to visualize healing on the basis of my faith that healing is bringing God's kingdom to earth. I do see the difference. And I do see how it can be easy to move into manipulative prayer if we lose our focus on Jesus.

Thanks for your answer. It helps.

 

[Mark2010]

Hey ralangley,

Are you still interested in visiting that church in Redding, Calif. this summer?

 

[CindyisHis]

Hello, Mark.

pc4, we just made another treat from down under - pavlova. What do you think? Did it originate in New Zealand or Australia? I hear there is controversy over that!

It is raining here, and it sounds wonderful, even the thunder in the distance sounds so relaxing. I'm calling it a day and heading for bed. Must sound weird to those on the west coast. Or to you, pc, being the middle of the day for you.

 

[CindyisHis]

Hey ralangley,

Are you still interested in visiting that church in Redding, Calif. this summer?

Shhh! I want her to come visit me this summer.

 

[ralangley]

Hey ralangley,

Are you still interested in visiting that church in Redding, Calif. this summer?

I was interested. For a long time they posted a conference on healing without providing the specifics. Turns out, the conference is for ministers or for those who lead healing ministries. Not me at this point. They have some other conferences I might be interested in, but with gas prices going up, up, up, I'm not sure if I can justify driving there.

Todd Bentley is having a conference up in Abbotsford in September that we've registered for. (He's announced that he's planning on actually being there.) Canada is a lot closer to us then California - and Abbotsford is right across the border. I've already reserved accommodations. I know he's controversial, but I like and respect him. I attended his women's conference that was rather disappointing, and at times, weird. What was missing was him.

Shhh! I want her to come visit me this summer.

Not this summer in all likelihood. I wanted to go over Christmas break, but my husband wants to go during spring break. Spring break probably makes more sense because we get miles on our credit card, and by spring, we'll have enough miles for all four of us to fly free.

Hello, Mark.

It is raining here, and it sounds wonderful, even the thunder in the distance sounds so relaxing. I'm calling it a day and heading for bed. Must sound weird to those on the west coast. Or to you, pc, being the middle of the day for you.

Totally. What on earth are you talking about?????

 

[CindyisHis]

Not this summer in all likelihood. I wanted to go over Christmas break, but my husband wants to go during spring break. Spring break probably makes more sense because we get miles on our credit card, and by spring, we'll have enough miles for all four of us to fly free.

It is raining here, and it sounds wonderful, even the thunder in the distance sounds so relaxing. I'm calling it a day and heading for bed. Must sound weird to those on the west coast. Or to you, pc, being the middle of the day for you.

Totally. What on earth are you talking about?????

I was talking about going to bed, calling it a day. Obviously that is what I needed to do, b/c I was no longer making sense. I was talking about the time difference. I was signing off here at 9 pm, it was 6 pm over there. So the thought of going to bed at 6 pm is strange.

And I was kidding about coming this summer. I know you're not planning on it. Spring does sound better than winter, not only b/c of the savings, but spring is a nice season here. In the winter, the park hours in theme parks are generally shorter, and the water parks are not as appealing. It can get cold here in the winter. One day may be 75, and the next morning may freeze and have a high of 55, not good swimming weather. Although we see tourist in the ocean on any day.

 

[ralangley]

I was talking about going to bed, calling it a day. Obviously that is what I needed to do, b/c I was no longer making sense. I was talking about the time difference. I was signing off here at 9 pm, it was 6 pm over there. So the thought of going to bed at 6 pm is strange.

And I was kidding about coming this summer. I know you're not planning on it. Spring does sound better than winter, not only b/c of the savings, but spring is a nice season here. In the winter, the park hours in theme parks are generally shorter, and the water parks are not as appealing. It can get cold here in the winter. One day may be 75, and the next morning may freeze and have a high of 55, not good swimming weather. Although we see tourist in the ocean on any day.

Sorry. It was my utterly lame attempt at humor. You were making perfect sense. I was commenting about rain sounding soothing and the weirdness therein. Not funny, I'll keep my day job (if I had one other then tending to my monkeys).

Spring sounds beautiful.

Hey, I joined a small group last night that's focused on prayer! We're reading the Cindy Jacobs book that I mentioned. I think I'm going to learn a lot!!

Love you, Ral

 

[Mark2010]

I used to live just down the road from Abbotsford.

My one vacation goal for the summer is a trip down the Oregon coast and down to northern California. Other than that, relocate and find a better job. *sigh*

Maybe I'll go to Redding, maybe not. I don't know if they have special meetings, or just pick any weekend and go. I went to a revival meeting at a church here that claimed to be a spinoff of the Florida revival. Nothing much happened. I didn't get healed, slain or even holy goosebumps. So I'm beginning to think I'm either immune or too left-brained. Oh well.

 

[icedtea]

Saying hi to Cindy.

 

[ralangley]

I used to live just down the road from Abbotsford.

My one vacation goal for the summer is a trip down the Oregon coast and down to northern California. Other than that, relocate and find a better job. *sigh*

Maybe I'll go to Redding, maybe not. I don't know if they have special meetings, or just pick any weekend and go. I went to a revival meeting at a church here that claimed to be a spinoff of the Florida revival. Nothing much happened. I didn't get healed, slain or even holy goosebumps. So I'm beginning to think I'm either immune or too left-brained. Oh well.

We have our annual family reunion on the Oregon Coast in August. We rent a big beach house and the kids play all day long. The adults sit around and eat, talk, play cards and put together a giant zig saw puzzle. All fun.

I've been thinking about you and wondering how your job search is going. Would you like us to pray? We could pray that you are a magnet, drawing job offers to you, that you're given great wisdom and discernment in assessing your job options, that you'll chose the right position that God has already prepared for you.

Some revival meetings are more self-promotion than real. I've gone to a few myself. Some whack you over the head with the overwhelming presence of the Holy Spirit; others, not so much. I'd recommend that you keep going and keep asking that the Holy Spirit come and fill you. The more I ask, the more He comes. The more He comes, the more sensitive I am to His presence. My husband is much more left brain than I am (although I rate right smack in the middle on tests). It took him quite a bit longer to feel the Holy Spirit, but he persisted. Now, he's had profound experiences where he was "electrocuted" by the Holy Spirit and frozen in one spot. I've NEVER been zapped like that and I've been baptized in the Holy Spirit for two years! So everyone's different. Keep at it, persist. It will happen for you. Just keep showing up.

 

[Mark2010]

Well, I got my application packets finished. *Sigh* Took forever to go through all of the material and narrow down what I wanted to send out.

You know, truth be told, I am well qualified for any of the four jobs I am applying for (right now). I could do a proficient job in any of them. No doubt about that. I also realize lots of other people could, too. So what will happen? Who knows?

So,yeah, any prayer is appreciated. I haven't freaked out yet, but it's only mid June....LOL. If one of these jobs doesn't come through, or ones similar in the next month or two, I might go do something totally different. I honestly don't know.

Maybe I'll hear a voice from God. Or win the lotto jackpot. Have never had either one, happen. Although one of my friends from CF mysteriously got gold fillings in her teeth this week.

 

[CindyisHis]

Sorry. It was my utterly lame attempt at humor. You were making perfect sense. I was commenting about rain sounding soothing and the weirdness therein. Not funny, I'll keep my day job (if I had one other then tending to my monkeys).

Spring sounds beautiful.

Hey, I joined a small group last night that's focused on prayer! We're reading the Cindy Jacobs book that I mentioned. I think I'm going to learn a lot!!

Love you, Ral

It may not be your attempt at humor as much as it being the failure of the one whom you were talking to. Sometimes I just don't "get it". Then someone fills me in....duh......

Maybe you can outline her points in the book for us. Prayer is a great subject to learn about, being there are different types of prayer - prayer of faith, prayer of consecration, praise, etc.

 

[CindyisHis]

I used to live just down the road from Abbotsford.

My one vacation goal for the summer is a trip down the Oregon coast and down to northern California. Other than that, relocate and find a better job. *sigh*

Maybe I'll go to Redding, maybe not. I don't know if they have special meetings, or just pick any weekend and go. I went to a revival meeting at a church here that claimed to be a spinoff of the Florida revival. Nothing much happened. I didn't get healed, slain or even holy goosebumps. So I'm beginning to think I'm either immune or too left-brained. Oh well.

Don't worry about it, Mark. It's best to seek the Lord through His Word rather than an experience. There are plenty of times in life we just don't "feel anything", and feelings are a poor indication of whether or not God is moving. Remember, we walk by faith and not by sight. We are never told in scripture to seek after signs and wonders, but to seek the Lord. Signs and wonders will follow the believer, not the believer follows the signs and wonders.

I do pray you find a place where the Word and Spirit are working together and your heart is filled. A place where you can use the gifts the Lord has given you. A place where you can develop relationships with believers. A place to call home. I pray the Lord leads you to it, and your job in that very city.

I couldn't even imagine having to move so much. It is different when you own your home and have a family, much harder to pick up and go wherever. One of the advantages of being single is the freedom you have in this. You don't have to worry about whether your spouse likes the new church you found, or whether your children are being fed there.

 

[CindyisHis]

Saying hi to Cindy.

Hi sweetie.

And don't forget to say hello to all your friends here.