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Fellowship - is talking to others the same thing as fellowship with God?

Discussion in 'Deeper Fellowship' started by K2K, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. K2K

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    The Lord usually tells me to come to the forum and post. I wish it was for fellowship with other believers. Sometimes it actually is, but more times than not it is because people "Christians" don't listen to Him.

    His sheep hear His voice, and His words are spirit and are life. Some Christians are new believer and may not be all that used to hearing from Him. I understand that. Yet most of the people on the forum and especially those posting in a deeper fellowship should probably be hearing His voice and in words. So they would have testimonies, teachings, parables, sayings, and have commonly heard those precious words of His "I love you."

    There are Christians that know what I am talking about. They seek Him and listen to Him and hear Him tell them that He loves them. They are around, but not nearly enough. It really seems that Christians today are very much like the Jews around when Jesus took on flesh. He was standing in front of them and they even hear what He was saying but they didn't know who He was. Oh - that was not true of all of them. Anna and Simon knew who He was even though He appeared to them as a child. They listen and knew Him.

    If I come to this forum to talk about a deeper relationship with Him am I going to find those who listen to Him and know His voice so that they know His voice and have testimonies and teachings that we can share with each other - or am I going to find a bunch of religious people who claim to know Him but can't and don't tell you about their relationship with Him.

    I used to be a surfer and I could easily have fellowship with other surfers. My son played and now coaches soccer, and I like watching soccer games now, so I can have some fellowship with those who like to watch soccer games. So if I come to a Christian forum can I talk honestly about the Lord? Can I even talk about Him being a King with a kingdom?

    What I often find are Christians quoting me a lot of Scriptures, but show no signs of actually hearing from Him. I find others who boldly say they think I am making it all up, but they too show no sign of actually hearing from Him. Maybe I find someone who agrees with what I say but they don't have anything to say about what they hear from the Lord. I do find a few that give good indication that they believe in hearing form Him, but even that is vague. There is someone posting Scriptures because they said the Lord put posting them on their heart. I'll take that. It does show that they are testifying to hearing something, but it is vague isn't it.

    So how do I talk about a deeper relationship with the Lord with any of them?

    Can I even share a simple testimony like in the OP? Can I share a parable from Him like the Genie in the Lamp? Could I even share with them how the most common thing I hear from Him is "Karl, I love you."? I remember the day I was at a church and I was praying with two ladies who were in charge of pray at the church. Per the Lord I had joined them to pray over the church on a certain morning each week. One day the Lord asked me to asked the if they had ever heard the Lord tell them via His small voice that He loved them. No - they had never heard that. I was amazed. It's all so sad to me.

    We have a Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ, who said He would never leave us. The Father said to listen to Him. But all too often, which is an apparent understatement, it seems that Christians don't seek Him to hear what He has to say to them. He'd like that to change. He wants His people called by His name "Christians" to seek Him and listen to Him. That is why He sends me to this forum. I wish it was because I could have fellowship with others who do indeed hear from Him.

    So who of you have indeed heard the voice of the Lord even tell you today "I love you"? Let's talk
     
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  2. Minister Monardo

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    Why do you speak in parables?
     
  3. K2K

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    Oh - I don't speak in parables that much. I gave a parable that the Lord gave me. He speaks in parables. And - He doesn't always speak in parables but often.

    Listen, O my people, to my instruction; Incline your ears tot he words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable....

    I don't believe that when He tells me "Karl, I love you", that He speaking to me in a parable, but He didn't lie when He said He would open His mouth in a parable either.

    Now the question might be why does He speak to us in parables. The disciples asked He that question, and He answered that it was because with their eyes they didn't see and with their ears they didn't hear. Actually there is even more to it than that but that is the main reason. If we (including me) did hear and see with our spiritual eyes and ears like we should be doing then He would have to teach us all that He does need to teach us.

    Let me just point something out and ask a question - The Kingdom of God is in our midst, so the question I have for you is how often today have you been seeing and hearing from the angels in your midst???

    The Lord has gotten on to me often about seeing more with my spiritual eyes and even hearing more with my spiritual ears. Oh - I usually hear from the Lord about a dozen times a day. And most days He even sends an angel or angels to minister to me. (Heb 1:14 & Ps 91:11) - but still I don't listen and see like I should. So He still talks to me in parables. Do we not know that parables are an excellent teaching tool, and that He is the Teacher?

    So let me ask - why do you not have a parable from Him to share with me?

    Well, let me share another with you. Perhaps it will encourage someone to seek Him for what He has to say to them >


    There once was an animal that lived in a cave. So all its life it had been in the dark. It knew there were other things that lived in the cave with him, but because it couldn’t see them, it didn’t know how big they were. After a while the animal got to thinking that he was the biggest, strongest, and smartest animal in the cave.

    Then came a rumbling.

    AHHH

    (Oh my thought the animal)

    And the noise grew.

    AHHHHHH

    (Oh no thought the animal)

    And then.

    AHHHH… CHOOO!!!

    Instantly a strong wind blew the animal out of the cave.

    In the light the animal could see that he wasn’t big at all. Wow, he was so small. He was just a microbe, and he felt sad.

    After a little while he realized that it was ok that he was a microbe, because he was still him. You know it’s ok if you’re a microbe, because even a microbe has a purpose.
     
  4. faroukfarouk

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    John's First Epistle says a lot about this area.
     
  5. ~Cassia~

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    I told you about a whole teaching that He showed me and you ignore what you don’t want to hear so it doesn’t seem to be about fellowship with you. Like I said your too ‘me’ focused to even want to have fellowship, which is actually what the thread seems to be about.

    What He has given me to think on at this moment is about the tent of meeting outside of which is the lavar made of bronze mirrors of those who serve at the entrance and represented by those who sit at the gates. It is a happy place to the one who listens to Him,
    watching daily at His gates, waiting beside His doors. He also is reminding me that much goes on inside the tent of meeting, that is closed to the outside world.
     
  6. Minister Monardo

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    You have already stated that you do not like me to answer using the word of God, but I prefer this, and anyway, it is okay if you disagree.
    Numbers 12:6. And he said to them, Hear my words: If there should be of you a prophet to the Lord, I will be made known to him in a vision, and in sleep will I speak to him. My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house. I will speak to him face to face, apparently, and not in dark speeches; and he has seen the glory of the Lord; and why were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

    Now that I have offered you Truth from the Word of Truth, I will comment. Jesus died for us to reconcile us with the Father to give us access, to allow us to spend time in His presence, to speak and listen in a face to face conversation, like a friend, like Moses.

    If you know Numbers 12, and Psalm 95, then you now can get an understanding from Hebrews 3:
    1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
    Be Faithful
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    Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
    Today, if you will hear His voice,
    8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion...
    Furthermore:
    Hebrews 4:16. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

    If you have spent time in his presence, as you have spoken often, why the parables? When the disciples questioned Jesus, which you misquoted, since you do not feel the need to use scripture:

    Now the question might be why does He speak to us in parables. The disciples asked He that question, and He answered that it was because with their eyes they didn't see and with their ears they didn't hear. Actually there is even more to it than that but that is the main reason. If we (including me) did hear and see with our spiritual eyes and ears like we should be doing then He would have to teach us all that He does need to teach us.

    Here is the correct word from Matthew 13:
    10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

    11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled...

    Hence, the parables were for the people who did not turn to the Lord with their hearts, only their stomach:

    John 6: 26 Jesus answered them and said, Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.

    2 Co 3: 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    When your eyes are open and your heart is pure for the pure in heart shall see God, why would I look for angels? Do you really think you can trust angels? Why would you tell me parables? If you know someone and are in true fellowship in the Holy Spirit you give them words of life, wisdom and knowledge from the throne of God. Not dark sayings. I have not been edified at all by what you have been saying, and I have been in fellowship with others with the Holy Spirit for decades. You are a mystery that I am interested in, for your edification, not your destruction. But if you do not love the Word of God, but think that you are speaking prophetically by whatever is on your mind, you are mislead, and misleading. I do not follow doctrines of angels.
    Colossians 2:18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.
    1 Co 13:1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

    Have I used too much scripture? Not Sorry. I want you to know and love the Truth, not spout out my opinions, and claim that I receive from angels.

    2 Thes 2:10. With all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    I listen to other believers carefully, because I have learned over decades that God speaks correction to me through them and the word tells us:

    Ephesians 5:21. Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

    In that Spirit , I have labored through your postings on this thread, and found your word lacking any anointing of the Holy Spirit. I hope you will reconsider your opinion, and renew your mind.
     
  7. K2K

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    Of the words I hear from the Lord I like the words "Karl, I love you" the most. That is not surprising and I do hear them a lot. And while Him loving me is the most important thing for me, those are not the words that are the most valuable to listen to. The reproof He has for me are the valuable words because those I can learn from.

    Now the Lord asked me to see what was posted but before I commented He wanted me to take a walk with Him first. He wanted to talk to me about what I saw first. Frankly, I was going to ignore your post Cassia, because I find you very hard to deal with. As you judge so are you judged. If you say I ignore you isn't it then because you ignore me? Yes it is. If you say that you never get anything from what I have written, then should I bother writing to you. Yeah - I was going to ignore you this time. It seemed appropriate considering what you have written to me.

    The problem was that as soon as I got to the door that Lord told me that you were the more important one to write to. First of all He wanted you to know that He cares for you. Of course you have an understanding about that. Yet do you truly understand what that means for you. Yes, you understand that there are going to be happy times with Him, but it means something else also. The problem is that if we don't understand that He is going to give us bitter things to eat also we are going to miss out on the reproof.

    Rev 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

    If we don't want reproof we are not going to seek the Lord who is at the door and listen to Him. we are not going to hear Him knocking if we don't want the reproof. Note the very next verse

    Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door I will come in to him...

    There are people who only look for the sweet words from the Lord, they won't accept reproof. It is for this reason they don't or rarely hear from the Lord!! They might hear Him say that He loves them, but anything else they reject.

    Now in the OP I noted that a deeper fellowship with God requires fellowship with God personally! If we are only going to listen to sweet words - we are only looking to sit "beside His doors" you are not really letting Him into your life - to listen to the reproof and to make changes.

    Too many times I see where Christians who only want the sweet words of God but they won't listen to His reproof. They won't eat the bitter words. They are really hard for me to deal with them and Him too. In the Genie parable I gave earlier on this thread they are like a person that keeps asking to be set on fire but they don't want to ask for great wisdom. They really want to just sit beside the gates or door, they don't really want to enter into a close deeper relationship with the Lord because He is going to reprove them. They know that but they don't value that reproof. And indeed, if the actually open the door to Him He is going to reprove them.

    Look - I come on this forum because He has asked me to come hear and post about how we all need to listen to Him more. That is reproof for us all. If you say that never get anything from me, isn't it because you are not willing to accept His reproof? That doesn't mean I wrote every thing correctly. I didn't. But if you say that you didn't get anything either you always listen to the Lord all the time or you don't want that reproof! And friends, we don't listen to Lord like we should. You should have at least gotten that from what I have written.
     
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