Feeling Torn

[mitsudang]

Hi

thank you for sharing your POV.

I notice it says in your member box.

Non denominational.

May i ask is your belief about Jesus not being God.

Is that your own conclusion or did you learn that from another doctrine?

thx

Peace

I came to my conclusion by studying Scripture where there are so many clear verses on who Jesus is and only a handful of confusing Scriptures. I then began reading opinions of different scholars who all seem to have a different opinion of the trinity.

Then I began reading some history of the early church. I read of the people who loved Christ as the son of God, only begotten out of due time who were hated, hunted, persecuted, tortured, and killed by professing Christians. Nobel and godly men and women who suffered terribly, yet went into exile or into their graves rather than deny the Christ they were convinced of from Scripture.

Then I asked, what if Jesus did not preexist? What if he was the son of God born out of due time according to God's plan to redeem man. Then every confusion fell into perfect place.

Bless

 

[mitsudang]

I don’t think you have proven your case.

Logically trying to explain God is futile to human beings.

Explain how we have a body, soul and spirit using your logic?

Why can't human beings have God explained to them? Why does it have to be so complicated that you are forced to take it by faith? Why is it so hard to think that God would want His people to understand who He is and what He did through is son. God gave us His Word so we could know Him. Sure the Scripture says that the secret things belong to God. There are going to be some things about His plan we don't fully understand now. But to say that we can't know God when He has given us His Word, that is a spit in God's face.

I believe we have body, soul, spirit and are three part beings. Just because there are three parts to God's original design for man doesn't mean that God must also be three. That is a cop-pout and borderlines on private interpretation. (II Peter 1:20)

 

[lee11]

I came to my conclusion by studying Scripture where there are so many clear verses on who Jesus is and only a handful of confusing Scriptures. I then began reading opinions of different scholars who all seem to have a different opinion of the trinity.

Then I began reading some history of the early church. I read of the people who loved Christ as the son of God, only begotten out of due time who were hated, hunted, persecuted, tortured, and killed by professing Christians. Nobel and godly men and women who suffered terribly, yet went into exile or into their graves rather than deny the Christ they were convinced of from Scripture.

Then I asked, what if Jesus did not preexist? What if he was the son of God born out of due time according to God's plan to redeem man. Then every confusion fell into perfect place.

hi

thank you for sharing that.

i was curious and you answered my question.

Awesome

Peace

 

[ToBeLoved]

Why can't human beings have God explained to them? Why does it have to be so complicated that you are forced to take it by faith? Why is it so hard to think that God would want His people to understand who He is and what He did through is son. God gave us His Word so we could know Him. Sure the Scripture says that the secret things belong to God. There are going to be some things about His plan we don't fully understand now. But to say that we can't know God when He has given us His Word, that is a spit in God's face.

I believe we have body, soul, spirit and are three part beings. Just because there are three parts to God's original design for man doesn't mean that God must also be three. That is a cop-pout and borderlines on private interpretation. (II Peter 1:20)

I don’t think it’s a cop out when God made man in His image. Makes sense to me.

 

[lee11]

I came to my conclusion by studying Scripture where there are so many clear verses on who Jesus is and only a handful of confusing Scriptures. I then began reading opinions of different scholars who all seem to have a different opinion of the trinity.

Then I began reading some history of the early church. I read of the people who loved Christ as the son of God, only begotten out of due time who were hated, hunted, persecuted, tortured, and killed by professing Christians. Nobel and godly men and women who suffered terribly, yet went into exile or into their graves rather than deny the Christ they were convinced of from Scripture.

Then I asked, what if Jesus did not preexist? What if he was the son of God born out of due time according to God's plan to redeem man. Then every confusion fell into perfect place.

Bless

Hi

Thank your for sharing that.

I was just curious.

Peace

 

[aiki]

And now I'm learning that Episcopal Christianity doesn't require me to compromise any of my beliefs either.

It's been said that a man who will stand for nothing will fall for anything. The Episcopal church is rapidly becoming a church that stands for almost nothing and so accepts nearly anything. If there is one thing the Bible makes clear, though, it is that truth doesn't have this hyper-inclusive quality. If an animal is a dog, it is not also a cat, or a squirrel, or a fish; if 2+2=4, it cannot also equal 7, or 50, or 1000; if the rubber ball is entirely blue, it is not orange in color, or pink. And so on. Truth, by its very nature is exclusivistic. When a church sells itself to people on the basis of "anything goes," it has ceased to be a beacon of truth.

Except... well, I'm still not sure where I stand on the whole Jesus thing yet.

"Jesus thing"? What are you unsure about, exactly? Investigating the following website might help you to make up your mind:

www.coldcasechristianity.com

I'm trying to see if I can get myself to believe in the trinity, but I'm not sure about it yet... I understand how the trinity could work, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure if I personally believe in it yet.

And why is that? Maybe the question you should be asking isn't, "Do I want to believe it?" but, rather, "Is it true?" I think there is good reason to think the Trinitarian God revealed in the Bible is the only, true God.

My inner voice, also, has told me to just enjoy the experience of learning about other religions and to take my time and not rush things.

You're assuming you've got lots of time to take. Every person who dies in an accident today is making the very same assumption. You don't know if you've got even the next minute. You could die of a brain aneurysm in the next thirty seconds, or you could expire from cancer in the next month, or some freak accident could end your days next week. Who knows? You don't. So, yes, consider carefully the claims to truth that religions make, but don't assume you've got lots of time in which to do so. If Christianity is correct, if it teaches the truth, you will find yourself in the worst possible - and eternal - circumstance if you die without coming to faith in Christ.

John 3:36
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

 

[ToBeLoved]

Why can't human beings have God explained to them? Why does it have to be so complicated that you are forced to take it by faith? Why is it so hard to think that God would want His people to understand who He is and what He did through is son. God gave us His Word so we could know Him. Sure the Scripture says that the secret things belong to God. There are going to be some things about His plan we don't fully understand now. But to say that we can't know God when He has given us His Word, that is a spit in God's face.

I believe we have body, soul, spirit and are three part beings. Just because there are three parts to God's original design for man doesn't mean that God must also be three. That is a cop-pout and borderlines on private interpretation. (II Peter 1:20)

My response is that is the way God wants it. He offers us the free gift and He tells us what the criteria are for receiving it.

My question for you is why are you making it so difficult for yourself to accept the free gift?

You can do all the deep thinking on the could've, would've and should've, but at the end of the day its God offering the gift and I would figure out how to take it and not wish that God would have offered His gift another way.

May I ask if you read God's Word regularly?