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I just feel the need to vent and maybe someone will say something that will help, or at least pray for me. I'm 39, was raised in a Christian home (albeit with an emotionally abusive pastor father) and have always attended church, but never had a relationship with Christ. In the last several months I've been trying to get right because I've been terrified of going to hell. I believe the Bible is true. I believe Christ must be a wonderful Savior because I see other Christians being so in love with Him and living in joy. Every day I struggle with believing Christ died for me and with resting in Him. But the truth is, there are so many things standing in my way.

Probably my biggest problem is not being able to fully submit to God. I try to accept the way He does things but it is SO hard for me. My logical brain fights against a reality that looks SO illogical and awful. I can't stand all the punishment/judgment/hell for people who were born sinners with no choice of their own. And the fact that God made man such that all his descendants would be born corrupted. And the fact that He allows Satan to deceive and blind mankind and then holds man responsible. And the fact that He demands total perfection and anything less than that is sin. And on top of that I cannot feel sorry for my sins. And I feel mad at God for His rules about sexuality. For making us sexual beings and then putting so many limits on it. Pretty much EVERY Christian man has to struggle with this (I'm a female and I know a lot of females struggle too). It just seems cruel to me.

I feel like I am playing Whack-a-Mole. As soon as I think I've got a handle on one issue, another one crops up and drives me mad. And then when I think I've got that one sorted out, another one crops up, and then the first one again and on and on it goes. It never ends. If it were not for hell, I would probably throw in the towel and give up. I would go out and have lesbian sex (the one thing I have always wanted my whole life but have not done out of fear - And yes, I am trying to trust God about that too).

I have been in tears so many times over the last three months, pleading with God to help me, to give me a new heart, to have mercy on me (even though, to be honest, the concept of mercy offends me because I have this mindset that since God allowed us to get into this mess in the first place that He somehow owes it to us to get us out of it).

I keep TRYING to change my thinking, tell myself the truth, etc etc etc. But I am tired. All my efforts over the last three months have pretty much amounted to nothing. I suppose someone will tell me that all I have to do is rest in Christ because God is the only one who can change me. I wish I could just trust Him to sort these things out for me. But it is hard to rest in Christ when all my thoughts and feelings make me afraid that I am not saved.

What's more is that I have no interest in living forever. I would be fine just going out of existence. But that is not an option I can bank on. It bugs me that I have to choose between God/eternal life and Satan/hell. It feels like a nightmare with no way out. I know that God can help me if He wishes to. I just don't know what He expects me to do...

I wish I could see Him and see Christ the way so many Christians do. I wish I could see myself as a hell-deserving sinner the way they do. I wish I was not me. I've tried to humble myself and to trust God about the multitude of things that bug me about Him/reality, but I'm tired. I worry that He may not want to save me. I worry that He does not listen to my prayers and my tears because He only listens to the humble and He only listens to those who are in Christ, and I just don't know if I am.

For a short while back in October I felt like I loved God and loved Jesus and wanted a relationship with them and wanted to follow Christ and I was grateful because I was headed down the wrong path and He scared me out of my wits and did not let me go down that path. Basically gave me another chance. But then ALL these ISSUES started up and they just don't stop.

It is EXTREMELY frustrating when you KNOW that there is only one way to escape hell and you just can't seem to get with the program.

I KNOW that I need to submit to God as God and not judge Him, but this has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for me throughout my ENTIRE life. There are things (especially the whole "deck was stacked against people from the beginning and now they are condemned for not doing what they are unable to do" thing) that I just can't get past no matter how I try.

And on top of all this, I believe God has told me -through a book and through people - to STOP obsessing about all this, STOP reading internet articles, posting on forums, debating with myself, etc and just PRAY, but I just keep doing these things. Ugh. Every day I tell myself I'm not going to do this and here I am obsessing on it all again. *sigh*

I'm gonna go pray again... and I expect to end up in tears of frustration again. *sigh*

P.S. You will tell me to meditate on Christ. I've tried that. You will tell me to read the Word more. I've tried that, but will keep trying...
First of all, you mentioned an emotionally abusive father. Was he neglectful as well? The two often go together that an emotionally abusive father will not show any love or care for a child which is classed as neglect. If so its usual to have some issues as a result of that I have Complex PTSD from an abusive childhood ans some of what you have said sounds like some of the issues I have. Have a look at it and see if it applies to you.

Whether it does or not, salvation starts with a choice. I would suggest trying to pray and tell God that you have chosen Him but need His help. Pray that you have chosen to accept Jesus as your saviour and ask for he gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
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When you sit for an exam, you put in your effort, study and go by the rules. You don't answer it any way you want. Atleast you won't do that if you would like to pass. In the same way, you have to follow the rules your Creator has laid out inorder to make it into His kingdom. Off course salvation is a free gift made available through the blood of Jesus. If God Almighty can do that much for you why can't you just follow His rules? There is no fun in committing all the sins in this world and then being able to make it to heaven. Some kids cheat for exams. What satisfaction is there for those who pass by cheating? When you resist temptations and come out victorious thats where your true happiness and satisfaction is and that's your blessing too.

When there is verbal/emotional/physical abuse(this isn’t an exhaustive list), from a parent as a child it is often difficult for a person to trust God, and they may grow up with incorrect views about Him as a result.
 
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I just feel the need to vent and maybe someone will say something that will help, or at least pray for me. I'm 39, was raised in a Christian home (albeit with an emotionally abusive pastor father) and have always attended church, but never had a relationship with Christ. In the last several months I've been trying to get right because I've been terrified of going to hell. I believe the Bible is true. I believe Christ must be a wonderful Savior because I see other Christians being so in love with Him and living in joy. Every day I struggle with believing Christ died for me and with resting in Him. But the truth is, there are so many things standing in my way.

Probably my biggest problem is not being able to fully submit to God. I try to accept the way He does things but it is SO hard for me. My logical brain fights against a reality that looks SO illogical and awful. I can't stand all the punishment/judgment/hell for people who were born sinners with no choice of their own. And the fact that God made man such that all his descendants would be born corrupted. And the fact that He allows Satan to deceive and blind mankind and then holds man responsible. And the fact that He demands total perfection and anything less than that is sin. And on top of that I cannot feel sorry for my sins. And I feel mad at God for His rules about sexuality. For making us sexual beings and then putting so many limits on it. Pretty much EVERY Christian man has to struggle with this (I'm a female and I know a lot of females struggle too). It just seems cruel to me.

I feel like I am playing Whack-a-Mole. As soon as I think I've got a handle on one issue, another one crops up and drives me mad. And then when I think I've got that one sorted out, another one crops up, and then the first one again and on and on it goes. It never ends. If it were not for hell, I would probably throw in the towel and give up. I would go out and have lesbian sex (the one thing I have always wanted my whole life but have not done out of fear - And yes, I am trying to trust God about that too).

I have been in tears so many times over the last three months, pleading with God to help me, to give me a new heart, to have mercy on me (even though, to be honest, the concept of mercy offends me because I have this mindset that since God allowed us to get into this mess in the first place that He somehow owes it to us to get us out of it).

I keep TRYING to change my thinking, tell myself the truth, etc etc etc. But I am tired. All my efforts over the last three months have pretty much amounted to nothing. I suppose someone will tell me that all I have to do is rest in Christ because God is the only one who can change me. I wish I could just trust Him to sort these things out for me. But it is hard to rest in Christ when all my thoughts and feelings make me afraid that I am not saved.

What's more is that I have no interest in living forever. I would be fine just going out of existence. But that is not an option I can bank on. It bugs me that I have to choose between God/eternal life and Satan/hell. It feels like a nightmare with no way out. I know that God can help me if He wishes to. I just don't know what He expects me to do...

I wish I could see Him and see Christ the way so many Christians do. I wish I could see myself as a hell-deserving sinner the way they do. I wish I was not me. I've tried to humble myself and to trust God about the multitude of things that bug me about Him/reality, but I'm tired. I worry that He may not want to save me. I worry that He does not listen to my prayers and my tears because He only listens to the humble and He only listens to those who are in Christ, and I just don't know if I am.

For a short while back in October I felt like I loved God and loved Jesus and wanted a relationship with them and wanted to follow Christ and I was grateful because I was headed down the wrong path and He scared me out of my wits and did not let me go down that path. Basically gave me another chance. But then ALL these ISSUES started up and they just don't stop.

It is EXTREMELY frustrating when you KNOW that there is only one way to escape hell and you just can't seem to get with the program.

I KNOW that I need to submit to God as God and not judge Him, but this has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for me throughout my ENTIRE life. There are things (especially the whole "deck was stacked against people from the beginning and now they are condemned for not doing what they are unable to do" thing) that I just can't get past no matter how I try.

And on top of all this, I believe God has told me -through a book and through people - to STOP obsessing about all this, STOP reading internet articles, posting on forums, debating with myself, etc and just PRAY, but I just keep doing these things. Ugh. Every day I tell myself I'm not going to do this and here I am obsessing on it all again. *sigh*

I'm gonna go pray again... and I expect to end up in tears of frustration again. *sigh*

P.S. You will tell me to meditate on Christ. I've tried that. You will tell me to read the Word more. I've tried that, but will keep trying...

I read your post and clonclude that you are going straight to hell right now ( i know it's against rules but don't care ) so you need to realise something if you want peace right now , you don't need to "meditate on Christ " you actually need Christ in first place since you have not accepted him yet .

1) Most important , God demands perfection that's why he send his Son Jesus Christ to take your sins on him so YOU DON"T HAVE TO PERFECT because you simply can't be perfect . God knew that when he created human he will sin so he alredy planned to send Jesus to bear your punishment for you before even creating world Revelation 13:8

You need to born again to enter heaven , all have sinned and nobody can on thier own Romans 3:23 , if you believe and confess that Jesus died for your sins and God raised him from the dead you are saved Romans 10:9 and it's free gift NOT BY WORKS Ephesians 2:8-9 .

You can't do it so he did it for you it's that simple .Then you are sealed by Holy Spirit and secured Ephesians 1:8-9 and you can't go to hell anymore even if you wanted to because Christ bought you with price of his blood and you are his now John 10:28-30.

After that we can talk about other stuff you asked but less important .

2) Everybody makes choice to go to hell since price for heaven is alredy paid in full .
3)God is just God , he can't let somebody pass by because heaven would not be heaven if there were evil people .
4)If people commited sin against eternal God they have infinity debt to pay.
5)Sex is good in mariage and it's tool for reproduction . If you say about porn then i was recently cured from porn and was using it for about 12 years so it's possible to get cured from it if you are struggling from it .

If you want to get cured from porn you must recognise God as creator .


22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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I just feel the need to vent and maybe someone will say something that will help, or at least pray for me. I'm 39, was raised in a Christian home (albeit with an emotionally abusive pastor father)

It seems like people who are "deep" into religion ends up being emotionally abusive. They tend to be close family members.

This is absolutely not how Jesus meant things to be.

I know because I'm also facing the same problems.
 
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I read your post and clonclude that you are going straight to hell right now ( i know it's against rules but don't care ) so you need to realise something if you want peace right now , you don't need to "meditate on Christ " you actually need Christ in first place since you have not accepted him yet .

1) Most important , God demands perfection that's why he send his Son Jesus Christ to take your sins on him so YOU DON"T HAVE TO PERFECT because you simply can't be perfect . God knew that when he created human he will sin so he alredy planned to send Jesus to bear your punishment for you before even creating world Revelation 13:8

You need to born again to enter heaven , all have sinned and nobody can on thier own Romans 3:23 , if you believe and confess that Jesus died for your sins and God raised him from the dead you are saved Romans 10:9 and it's free gift NOT BY WORKS Ephesians 2:8-9 .

You can't do it so he did it for you it's that simple .Then you are sealed by Holy Spirit and secured Ephesians 1:8-9 and you can't go to hell anymore even if you wanted to because Christ bought you with price of his blood and you are his now John 10:28-30.

After that we can talk about other stuff you asked but less important .

2) Everybody makes choice to go to hell since price for heaven is alredy paid in full .
3)God is just God , he can't let somebody pass by because heaven would not be heaven if there were evil people .
4)If people commited sin against eternal God they have infinity debt to pay.
5)Sex is good in mariage and it's tool for reproduction . If you say about porn then i was recently cured from porn and was using it for about 12 years so it's possible to get cured from it if you are struggling from it .

If you want to get cured from porn you must recognise God as creator .


22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Did you even read the original post? Being emotionally abused by a parent as a child often leads to difficulty so submitting to God later in life. Others have touched on this.

Secondly, I feel the post was completely uncalled for. If you don’t care that you broke the rules, then I sure hope a mod sees that post because they do care when someone breaks forum rules.

Someone who is struggling does not need judgement. Responses like that are a big reason some want nothing to do with Christianity.
 
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I just feel the need to vent and maybe someone will say something that will help, or at least pray for me. I'm 39, was raised in a Christian home (albeit with an emotionally abusive pastor father) and have always attended church, but never had a relationship with Christ. In the last several months I've been trying to get right because I've been terrified of going to hell. I believe the Bible is true. I believe Christ must be a wonderful Savior because I see other Christians being so in love with Him and living in joy. Every day I struggle with believing Christ died for me and with resting in Him. But the truth is, there are so many things standing in my way.

Probably my biggest problem is not being able to fully submit to God. I try to accept the way He does things but it is SO hard for me. My logical brain fights against a reality that looks SO illogical and awful. I can't stand all the punishment/judgment/hell for people who were born sinners with no choice of their own. And the fact that God made man such that all his descendants would be born corrupted. And the fact that He allows Satan to deceive and blind mankind and then holds man responsible. And the fact that He demands total perfection and anything less than that is sin. And on top of that I cannot feel sorry for my sins. And I feel mad at God for His rules about sexuality. For making us sexual beings and then putting so many limits on it. Pretty much EVERY Christian man has to struggle with this (I'm a female and I know a lot of females struggle too). It just seems cruel to me.

I feel like I am playing Whack-a-Mole. As soon as I think I've got a handle on one issue, another one crops up and drives me mad. And then when I think I've got that one sorted out, another one crops up, and then the first one again and on and on it goes. It never ends. If it were not for hell, I would probably throw in the towel and give up. I would go out and have lesbian sex (the one thing I have always wanted my whole life but have not done out of fear - And yes, I am trying to trust God about that too).

I have been in tears so many times over the last three months, pleading with God to help me, to give me a new heart, to have mercy on me (even though, to be honest, the concept of mercy offends me because I have this mindset that since God allowed us to get into this mess in the first place that He somehow owes it to us to get us out of it).

I keep TRYING to change my thinking, tell myself the truth, etc etc etc. But I am tired. All my efforts over the last three months have pretty much amounted to nothing. I suppose someone will tell me that all I have to do is rest in Christ because God is the only one who can change me. I wish I could just trust Him to sort these things out for me. But it is hard to rest in Christ when all my thoughts and feelings make me afraid that I am not saved.

What's more is that I have no interest in living forever. I would be fine just going out of existence. But that is not an option I can bank on. It bugs me that I have to choose between God/eternal life and Satan/hell. It feels like a nightmare with no way out. I know that God can help me if He wishes to. I just don't know what He expects me to do...

I wish I could see Him and see Christ the way so many Christians do. I wish I could see myself as a hell-deserving sinner the way they do. I wish I was not me. I've tried to humble myself and to trust God about the multitude of things that bug me about Him/reality, but I'm tired. I worry that He may not want to save me. I worry that He does not listen to my prayers and my tears because He only listens to the humble and He only listens to those who are in Christ, and I just don't know if I am.

For a short while back in October I felt like I loved God and loved Jesus and wanted a relationship with them and wanted to follow Christ and I was grateful because I was headed down the wrong path and He scared me out of my wits and did not let me go down that path. Basically gave me another chance. But then ALL these ISSUES started up and they just don't stop.

It is EXTREMELY frustrating when you KNOW that there is only one way to escape hell and you just can't seem to get with the program.

I KNOW that I need to submit to God as God and not judge Him, but this has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for me throughout my ENTIRE life. There are things (especially the whole "deck was stacked against people from the beginning and now they are condemned for not doing what they are unable to do" thing) that I just can't get past no matter how I try.

And on top of all this, I believe God has told me -through a book and through people - to STOP obsessing about all this, STOP reading internet articles, posting on forums, debating with myself, etc and just PRAY, but I just keep doing these things. Ugh. Every day I tell myself I'm not going to do this and here I am obsessing on it all again. *sigh*

I'm gonna go pray again... and I expect to end up in tears of frustration again. *sigh*

P.S. You will tell me to meditate on Christ. I've tried that. You will tell me to read the Word more. I've tried that, but will keep trying...

You know already where it is wrong.
You cannot fully submit to God, because you cannot accept the wage of sin.
You know it is wrong, but somehow you don’t see it as the bad thing that you are responsible of.
We are not punished for what Adam did.
But through Adam, sin was born. His act was sin. And sin entered the world. Every man began to sin one after another.
We know what Cain did. Do we all kill? No.
Did God not try to stop him?
Rather, did He not try to persuade Cain to supress his anger?
But Cain gave in to his feeling and did a horrible thing.

Like A fish who lives in water cannot fully understand how wet it is,
Mankind cannot fully know sin within a world full of iniquity.
But compare this.
When the price of sin wages the life of a Holy God,
The life of our Creator, of the Universe, of the angels!
How bad is sin? Well, that sin you believe it to be ‘like nothing’,
Cost the life price of God.
And what a wonderful God we have?
His life was given so that we can be reconciled to Him.
Who can we trust if not Him?
Can He not save us from the bondage of sin?
With God, all is possible.
He specifically came to deliver(save) us from sin.

When you pray to God, pray with your heart.
Don’t pray what you must pray about.
Rather tell Him that you want to understand.
God sees your heart, and will not judge by your appearance.
God is true, and is the truth.

Do not be discouraged.
God waits that you seek Him.
 
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Black sheep,

Man you sound a lot like C.S. Lewis in that his logical mind was a huge obstacle in fully submitting to God. I think it was J.R. Tolkien that had many talks with him that finally led him to fully submit... I would suggest readin lewis’ Christian books and I feel like you would like his books. Who knows might give a little more insight to your dilemma. Prayers man
 
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So many of us struggle with these exact same things. What you are thinking/feeling is normal. Actually, every human who has ever lived has experienced what you are going through to one degree or another.
"For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved." Romans 8:22-24. The Apostle Paul felt it. An emotional feeling in the depths of the soul so painful and raw that it could only be described as feeling like childbirth. Yet through these feelings of futility, and anger, and desperate wondering...we hope. It is our hope (which at times seems so stupid and unmanageable in the midst of this struggle) that saves us.
I understand your frustration with "rules" around sexuality. It's gone so off the rails from what it must have been in the beginning. It is a curious fact about the world that the very thing which brings the most joy (children, marital intimacy, pleasure) also causes the most heart rending pain (molestation, rape, adultery). I live 10 miles outside San Francisco. It seems people are utterly consumed by sexuality in this geographical location. I can't even begin to tell you my heart struggle on a daily basis concerning the sexuality of family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors. It can be so frustrating.
Somehow, I always come back to Jesus. Sometimes it's a Holy Spirit inspired joyful understanding, sometimes it's a sort of ontological/intellectual recognition, and sometimes it's an angry and frustrated concession to God. Even when I'm upset with Him, what can I say? He is in me and I can't walk away even when I try.
I kind of grew up like you. Dad wasn't a Pastor, but it was a deeply religious and emotionally abusive home. I will always deal with a warped view of God because of my upbringing. We all will in different ways. For me, a huge moment was when I realized God loves me. Giddy, heart skips a beat love. For me. Love beyond the deepest love I've ever felt for anyone. I forget sometimes, but I'm glad I'm reminded now.
 
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So many of us struggle with these exact same things. What you are thinking/feeling is normal. Actually, every human who has ever lived has experienced what you are going through to one degree or another.
"For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved." Romans 8:22-24. The Apostle Paul felt it. An emotional feeling in the depths of the soul so painful and raw that it could only be described as feeling like childbirth. Yet through these feelings of futility, and anger, and desperate wondering...we hope. It is our hope (which at times seems so stupid and unmanageable in the midst of this struggle) that saves us.
I understand your frustration with "rules" around sexuality. It's gone so off the rails from what it must have been in the beginning. It is a curious fact about the world that the very thing which brings the most joy (children, marital intimacy, pleasure) also causes the most heart rending pain (molestation, rape, adultery). I live 10 miles outside San Francisco. It seems people are utterly consumed by sexuality in this geographical location. I can't even begin to tell you my heart struggle on a daily basis concerning the sexuality of family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors. It can be so frustrating.
Somehow, I always come back to Jesus. Sometimes it's a Holy Spirit inspired joyful understanding, sometimes it's a sort of ontological/intellectual recognition, and sometimes it's an angry and frustrated concession to God. Even when I'm upset with Him, what can I say? He is in me and I can't walk away even when I try.
I kind of grew up like you. Dad wasn't a Pastor, but it was a deeply religious and emotionally abusive home. I will always deal with a warped view of God because of my upbringing. We all will in different ways. For me, a huge moment was when I realized God loves me. Giddy, heart skips a beat love. For me. Love beyond the deepest love I've ever felt for anyone. I forget sometimes, but I'm glad I'm reminded now.


Well said! Great scripture to quote!
 
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NONE of us deserve God's love. NONE of us can earn it. I daresay NONE of us can fully comprehend it and if we allow ourselves to try and "figure it out" as you seem to be doing (logic mind?) we would only become more confused.

YOU HAVE asked God for His mercy, from what I see in your posting. NOW you need to thank God for His salvation, and ask Him to help you feel comforted by His promises of salvation. There is nothing more you can do (but ask, believe).

{I am wondering if you have this type of dilemma with other situations/decisions in your life. This might be exacerbated by changes in your physical body, dumping in and causing turmoil. Just a thought that you might (if it's more than just spiritual things) see an MD for a full check up and discuss the turmoil
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I just feel the need to vent and maybe someone will say something that will help, or at least pray for me. I'm 39, was raised in a Christian home (albeit with an emotionally abusive pastor father) and have always attended church, but never had a relationship with Christ. In the last several months I've been trying to get right because I've been terrified of going to hell. I believe the Bible is true. I believe Christ must be a wonderful Savior because I see other Christians being so in love with Him and living in joy. Every day I struggle with believing Christ died for me and with resting in Him. But the truth is, there are so many things standing in my way.

Probably my biggest problem is not being able to fully submit to God. I try to accept the way He does things but it is SO hard for me. My logical brain fights against a reality that looks SO illogical and awful. I can't stand all the punishment/judgment/hell for people who were born sinners with no choice of their own. And the fact that God made man such that all his descendants would be born corrupted. And the fact that He allows Satan to deceive and blind mankind and then holds man responsible. And the fact that He demands total perfection and anything less than that is sin. And on top of that I cannot feel sorry for my sins. And I feel mad at God for His rules about sexuality. For making us sexual beings and then putting so many limits on it. Pretty much EVERY Christian man has to struggle with this (I'm a female and I know a lot of females struggle too). It just seems cruel to me.

I feel like I am playing Whack-a-Mole. As soon as I think I've got a handle on one issue, another one crops up and drives me mad. And then when I think I've got that one sorted out, another one crops up, and then the first one again and on and on it goes. It never ends. If it were not for hell, I would probably throw in the towel and give up. I would go out and have lesbian sex (the one thing I have always wanted my whole life but have not done out of fear - And yes, I am trying to trust God about that too).

I have been in tears so many times over the last three months, pleading with God to help me, to give me a new heart, to have mercy on me (even though, to be honest, the concept of mercy offends me because I have this mindset that since God allowed us to get into this mess in the first place that He somehow owes it to us to get us out of it).

I keep TRYING to change my thinking, tell myself the truth, etc etc etc. But I am tired. All my efforts over the last three months have pretty much amounted to nothing. I suppose someone will tell me that all I have to do is rest in Christ because God is the only one who can change me. I wish I could just trust Him to sort these things out for me. But it is hard to rest in Christ when all my thoughts and feelings make me afraid that I am not saved.

What's more is that I have no interest in living forever. I would be fine just going out of existence. But that is not an option I can bank on. It bugs me that I have to choose between God/eternal life and Satan/hell. It feels like a nightmare with no way out. I know that God can help me if He wishes to. I just don't know what He expects me to do...

I wish I could see Him and see Christ the way so many Christians do. I wish I could see myself as a hell-deserving sinner the way they do. I wish I was not me. I've tried to humble myself and to trust God about the multitude of things that bug me about Him/reality, but I'm tired. I worry that He may not want to save me. I worry that He does not listen to my prayers and my tears because He only listens to the humble and He only listens to those who are in Christ, and I just don't know if I am.

For a short while back in October I felt like I loved God and loved Jesus and wanted a relationship with them and wanted to follow Christ and I was grateful because I was headed down the wrong path and He scared me out of my wits and did not let me go down that path. Basically gave me another chance. But then ALL these ISSUES started up and they just don't stop.

It is EXTREMELY frustrating when you KNOW that there is only one way to escape hell and you just can't seem to get with the program.

I KNOW that I need to submit to God as God and not judge Him, but this has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for me throughout my ENTIRE life. There are things (especially the whole "deck was stacked against people from the beginning and now they are condemned for not doing what they are unable to do" thing) that I just can't get past no matter how I try.

And on top of all this, I believe God has told me -through a book and through people - to STOP obsessing about all this, STOP reading internet articles, posting on forums, debating with myself, etc and just PRAY, but I just keep doing these things. Ugh. Every day I tell myself I'm not going to do this and here I am obsessing on it all again. *sigh*

I'm gonna go pray again... and I expect to end up in tears of frustration again. *sigh*

P.S. You will tell me to meditate on Christ. I've tried that. You will tell me to read the Word more. I've tried that, but will keep trying...

Well.... that, darling is a ton of stuff. I love the fact you want to think though thing, and struggling with faith is not only ok, but I wish more people would be honest about it like you. That is a good thing you are doing, and is a credit to your character.

So first I want to say that there is a lot of crazy christian stuff taught across the world, that I find insane. Some of what I am going to say, may contradict what you have been told elsewhere, and I'm going to say up front that I speak only for myself, and my faith. Good enough?

1. No choice. G-d did not create us without choice. The reason G-d says we are all sinners and fallen, is not because he created us as failed and doomed, but simply because we have made the choice. Everyone knows lying is wrong. Yet we all lie. We all know right from wrong, and still choose wrong. G-d didn't do that. Humans did that.

2. Satan. Satan does not have the power to force people to do anything. People choose to follow the path of evil, on their own. Where you see evil spirits being able to deceive someone, it's usually someone who is already evil on their own.

For example Ahab in Kings chapter 22, was deceived by an evil spirit. But G-d specifically allowed that because Ahab was already doing many evil things. Even then, G-d sent Micaiah who warned Ahab, and Ahab ignored the words of G-d. It was choice to be deceived by spirits. Not G-d.

3. Sexuality. Yes, it's true that G-d created us as sexual beings, and he gave us a way to fulfill that sexuality in marriage. The rules on sex, are for our benefit. People who violate the rules, destroy themselves, not G-d. G-d is not destroying them. They are.

Most of the rules G-d has put in place, are guard rails along a cliff. Yeah, you can intentionally drive through those guard rails.... but you are going to fall and get hurt.

Think about it another way.... if everyone in the world today were to follow the rules G-d places on sex, STDs would cease to exist in a generation. You realize that? No herpes, no HIV, no Gonorrhea, no STDS at all.

Now you want to have sex, join the club. I'm a single man, I know the feeling. Get married. That's G-d's answer. Get married and have hot loving pleasure. Song of Solomon is not a book on gardening.

4. Lesbian. So you already know the teaching on this, and you know what G-d expects, don't you? Find a husband, and get married, and have sex with him.

As for the feelings.... we all have wrong feelings. All of us. I'm no different than you. We all have to choose to do what is right, over what we feel. I've felt lust for someone I'm not married to, and simply refused to accept it. I've felt hatred for people who have done me wrong, and I simply refused to accept it. I've felt murderous rage at someone doing what is evil, and refused to accept it.

I have those feelings, but those feelings do not control me. Morality controls me. Right and wrong controls me.

There is a man right now, that abuses his wife. Without going into all the details, I have had the highest levels of wrong feelings about what I would like to do to this man. But..... those are feelings. That's all they are. I choose to do what is right. Period.

5. I identify with you. Ironically most of what you said (obviously excluding the lesbian comment.. I'm all man, and I want all woman.), I have said myself in the past.

I couldn't help but smile, even if sadly, because it's like you wrote my own blog post for me. So much of what you said, I have said, almost word for word.

There are only two things I can think of off hand, that possibly might be of help.

First, the most common reason people find themselves in a constant frustrated struggle, is typically because they are refusing to let go of something. Now I don't know if that something was in this post, of if it was something you didn't talk about, but usually the reason people find themselves stuck, is because there is some weight, some boat anchor that they refuse to let go of. G-d wants to pull them up, but as long as they keep holding onto that weight, they will never move forward, or backward.

At some point, you'll have to pick one or the other.

Second, people often forget that sometimes it's the situation they are living in, that holds them down.

I have severe allergies. When I was young, I would get shots, and these powerful shots would allow me to go a month or two problem free. But then over time, I would end up worse and worse, until I was sneezing snotty, blood shot eyed wreck.

Then the obvious answer came. Get rid of all the dust, and clean the house better, and my room better, and get rid of the allergens. I haven't had a shot in over a decade or more.

Maybe the reason you can't get forward, is because you live in a toxic situation. Maybe you need to take radical steps to change your situation, so that you can move beyond where you are.

That's my thoughts. I wish you the best.
 
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