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Featured Feds bring first-ever charges against 'birth tourism' scheme

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by redleghunter, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    “Prosecutors detailed one communication where a birthing house operator was discussing whether she had to refund a customer’s money because “the baby is a girl, her husband arranged abortion for her.”

    Sex-selective abortions are not uncommon in China, which helped push the birth rate for males to 1.15 for every female in 2017, according to World Bank data.”
     
  2. Phoebe Ann

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    Guns don't kill; people do. We had a gun that never killed anyone.
     
  3. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Why the false equivalencies?
     
  4. HTacianas

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    But still, none of that is illegal. To say "the U.S. had better air, better jobs, better schools and “the most attractive nationality,”" is an opinion no different than saying the gulf coast of Florida has the most attractive beaches in the world. Fully half of the people you say that to are going to disagree, but saying it isn't illegal.

    There must be a law proscribing a specific behavior and then a person engaging in that behavior for there to be a crime. And so far, based on these press reports, I see no crime in this whatever.
     
  5. redleghunter

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    Don’t know if you had the time to read the entire article linked in the OP.

    The scammers are the target of the indictment. They could however get the women on overstaying a visa.
     
  6. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There are laws against fraud, and they are defrauding the government (and all Americans) for citizenship.

    what your doing is coming in, defrauding the US government and U.S. citizens of citizenship, and then leaving it up to the actual citizens to uphold their responsibilities of citizenship in the hopes of economic or political gain on down the road, as their loyalties will be to their home countries. The U.S. is not their home country if they are not declaring citizenship and staying here.

    While it doesn't seem overtly illegal on the surface, it is a form of fraud.
     
  7. tulc

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    "false equivalencies"? How so? It's in the Constitution, it's a right and the suggestion is it needs to be curtailed because some people are not using it how you think it should be. Man, throw in a picture of Wayne LaPierre and something about "cold dead hand" and it could be an ad for the NRA! :wave:
    tulc(is just sayn') :sorry:
     
  8. redleghunter

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    You are comparing fraud with guns.
     
  9. tulc

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    Actually I'm comparing two rights that are in the Constitution, one of which has led to the deaths of thousands of people over the years and one that doesn't. :wave:
    tulc(thought the comparison was quite accurate) :)
     
  10. redleghunter

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    The government must enforce all its laws.

    Yes prosecution of murder is the highest priority. But law enforcement and justice must address all lawlessness.

    The article is about another nation scamming and circumventing our immigration policy.

    Kind of like Russians trying to scam our elections.
     
  11. redleghunter

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    Now let’s find a valid comparison.

    Your point is people with guns have killed thousands over the years. They have a constitutional right to bear arms.

    That can be comparable to people having the Constitutional right to privacy resulting in the death of 55 million human beings in the womb.
     
  12. DamianWarS

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    wouldn't it be better to change the laws surrounding "jus soli" with different criteria? it's really just a new world phenomena used initially to actually encourage immigrants. For the rest of the world's it actually a pretty rare thing to see and you don't have entitled citizenship just because you were born in the country.
     
  13. FireDragon76

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    I'm not sure how this could be construed as illegal activity. What law exactly is it violating?

    Indeed. I also am concerned about the racist implications of prohibiting Chinese people from visiting the US merely because they are foreigners who wish to have children here. White nationalism is not something the US government should be espousing.
     
  14. The Barbarian

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    There's a mechanism to amend it. If you think this is a huge problem, that would be the way to go.
     
  15. His student

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    There is a mechanism in place. It's called the Supreme Court interpreting the Constitution in it's original intent.

    The way to go is to appoint conservative judges who will do so - as well as correct the abuses of liberal circuits like the 9th Court of Appeals.
     
  16. twin.spin

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    Maybe our objection to those running that scheme would make sense to the socialists \ open border folks if it were phrased in terms they understand... simply call this "Big agency" like they do with "Big oil" \ "Big Pharma".

    Maybe … just maybe … that would :help:
     
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  17. tulc

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    ...uhmmm...it says "anyone born in the US is a citizen." It would seem the original intent was "if you're born here you're a citizen" What you're saying sounds an awful lot like someone trying to get around original intent. :sorry:

    So...appoint activist judges who'll make laws from the bench? :scratch:
    tulc(doesn't like the sound of that) :eek:
     
  18. tulc

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    It's estimated the top 5 "Big Oil" companies make $375,000,000 dollars a day in profits. While the Big Pharma companies made $515,000,000,000 dollars a year, 21% of which is profit. If this business gets to be that big? Then we might talk about it being called "big birthing tourism". :sorry:
    tulc(just a thought) :wave:
     
  19. His student

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    The key word in the amendment is "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof...."

    This does not include illegal aliens. The problem we see today with the invasion of these folks were not a "problem" when the Amendment was written and their abuses were not in view when the Amendment was written and passed.

    The original intent of the amendment was to rectify the abuses associated with Dred Scott decision related to citizenship of X-slaves and other U.S. born persons subject to our tax system.

    Every Constitutional scholar knows this as should any Supreme Court Judge who is in the slightest bit concerned with original intent.
    No - appoint judges who will stand soundly against the activist judges who have and will undermine the concept of original intent.
     
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  20. FireDragon76

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    People visiting the US are not illegal aliens if they enter with a tourist visa.

    I do not understand where this xenophobia comes from. America is for more than WASP people.

    Our justice system is based on due process, not presumption of guilt. Otherwise we head down the slippery slope towards China or Russia, where the government enacts their nationalist, xenophobic and illiberal policies under only the color of law.
     
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