FDA approves human embryonic stem cell study

[tanzanos]

And horror is spelled h o r r o r.

I meant Hooray. A typing error. I corrected it. Are you going to have me burnt at the stake?

Colour is spelled COLOUR
Favour is spelled FAVOUR
Civilised is spelled CIVILISED

Now be a good boy and stop being so rude!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I meant Hooray. A typing error. I corrected it. Are you going to have me burnt at the stake?

Colour is spelled COLOUR
Favour is spelled FAVOUR
Civilised is spelled CIVILISED

Now be a good boy and stop being so rude!

I knew you meant hooray. And I am incapable of not being rude to leftists. As they see any dissent of their aspirations as intolerable.

I was pointing to that.

But to the developing human being Obama's politics are horror.

Look up the word.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Ignorance is no excuse.

Seems like the foundation of nongodianism. There's no other reason for this silliness to exist in the modern world.

 

[Inviolable]

Ignorance is no excuse

Exactly,

Why didn't you just say that from the start instead of leading me to believe you understood?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

But to the developing human being Obama's politics are horror.

'Developing human being' is spelt r i g h t - w i n g e r.

 

[soul_biscuit]

I knew you meant hooray. And I am incapable of not being rude to leftists. As they see any dissent of their aspirations as intolerable.

This is a better description of your own posts than I could ever think of myself.

Project much?

 

[soul_biscuit]

IMO there should not be 'leftovers' of this nature.. I know that it would be more difficult and costly, but nonetheless, producing potential humans just to 'dispose' of them or use them for research is not right.

You do realize that 35% of conceived embryos are aborted naturally? (Which means, of course, that God is the greatest abortionist of them all.) Should scientists intervene on the behalf of all these millions of embryos to keep them viable?

You do realize that a miserable fraction of one percent of sperm cells will ever meet an egg, right? These are all potential human beings that are going to waste. By your reasoning, shouldn't we be rounding up the sperm of every man on Earth and making sure they find an egg to fertilize?

You're not talking about viable embryos here. You're talking about left over cells that have no chance of becoming part of a healthy human. It's far better to use them for research than to throw them away.

 

[tanzanos]

You do realize that 35% of conceived embryos are aborted naturally? (Which means, of course, that God is the greatest abortionist of them all.) Should scientists intervene on the behalf of all these millions of embryos to keep them viable?

You do realize that a miserable fraction of one percent of sperm cells will ever meet an egg, right? These are all potential human beings that are going to waste. By your reasoning, shouldn't we be rounding up the sperm of every man on Earth and making sure they find an egg to fertilize?

You're not talking about viable embryos here. You're talking about left over cells that have no chance of becoming part of a healthy human. It's far better to use them for research than to throw them away.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I have trouble believing that the excitement over ESCR has anything to do with helping the disabled, since society as a whole seems to be pushing the suicide option for the same time. Or maybe there really is excitement, but only because when paralyzed people are able to walk we won't think that their lives are worthless anymore. It would be nice either way if we thought a bit more about how to improve their lives as they currently are, though.

 

[max1120]

MoonlessNight....The problem is not that we as a society do not value people who have suffered spinal cord injuries, it is that we actually want to improve their lives and develop a method of treating such injuries so that if one day myself or someone I love, or for that matter a complete stranger, would not have to suffer such a fate.

The situation is much larger than just spinal cord injuries. We are getting ready to boldly go where no man has gone before! We are going be able to treat and even cure diseases that were once fatal. I am talking about diabetes (both type 1 & type II), heart disease (heat bypass and heart transplants will become a thing of the past),Alzheimer's disease (just think of the suffering this advance alone will bring), Stroke (both preventing strokes and reversing the after affects of strokes),HIV?AIDS, Parkinson's Disease, and the grand daddy of all CANCER will eventually be cured!!! We are going to move into a golden age of science where we can actually do something about curing diseases and not just treat the symptoms (what we do now). The human lifespan is going to expand greatly.

Actually I have friends at Harvard's stem cell research facility and they are quite excited about the coming prospects for all of us. Some are saying this will take a long time but I am thinking in 20-30 years everything I have stated above will be reality!

So we are moving forward not because we do not value human beings who suffer, but because we really want to elevate their suffering and allow them to enjoy life as it was meant for all us to enjoy. We do not desire that any suffer but that all are cured! Sound bold?...well trust me its coming!

Max

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I don't agree with this research, the same can be achieved using umbilical stem cells from live births, which is a lot less ethically dubious.

Where do people keep coming up with this when it has been debunked several times.

 

[MoonlessNight]

So we are moving forward not because we do not value human beings who suffer, but because we really want to elevate their suffering and allow them to enjoy life as it was meant for all us to enjoy. We do not desire that any suffer but that all are cured! Sound bold?...well trust me its coming!

It's coming? Perhaps. That is certainly the promise but is well in the future. What I am questioning is why there is so little help now. We look at a person with a spinal cord injury that forces them to use a wheelchair and say "well we support you because we want to cure your injury someday" but ask a person in a wheelchair about the ease they had getting it and the amount of wheelchair access sometime. It's not seen as a priority at all.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to repair such disabilities, though I would say that we should be careful about our means in getting such cures. My current point here, though, is that it's a cop out to pretend to be for the disabled and do nothing that will help their day-to-day lives any time soon.

 

[tcampen]

I don't agree with this research, the same can be achieved using umbilical stem cells from live births, which is a lot less ethically dubious.

If that were true, the researchers would be using umbilical stem cells. It would be cheaper, more accessable, and less controversial. This company is not a bunch of ghouls looking to murder tiny, tiny babies. They are scientists looking to cure spinal cord injuries that leave people paralyzed in the best and most ethical way they know how. The embryonic stem cells were going to be destroyed anyway, so why not use them to save and improve lives. These are, by definition, undiferrentiated cells very early in the division process. I would agree there are certainly ethical limits to science, but I don't think this is getting anywhere near the line.

 

[MoonlessNight]

If that were true, the researchers would be using umbilical stem cells. It would be cheaper, more accessable, and less controversial. This company is not a bunch of ghouls looking to murder tiny, tiny babies. They are scientists looking to cure spinal cord injuries that leave people paralyzed in the best and most ethical way they know how. The embryonic stem cells were going to be destroyed anyway, so why not use them to save and improve lives. These are, by definition, undiferrentiated cells very early in the division process. I would agree there are certainly ethical limits to science, but I don't think this is getting anywhere near the line.

Then why do we never hear about adult stem cell research, which is just as promising if not moreso than ESCR?

 

[Garyzenuf]

Then why do we never hear about adult stem cell research, which is just as promising if not moreso than ESCR?

I believe because it isn't, although I'm woefully under informed about it honestly. Do you have a link with more information adult SCR?

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[OphidiaPhile]

Then why do we never hear about adult stem cell research, which is just as promising if not moreso than ESCR?

Again where do you come up with this stuff, as far as stem cells go nothing is more promising that embryonic derived stem cells. And with literally millions of frozen embryos that will be thrown out, why not use them them for something that benefits mankind.

 

[lawtonfogle]

All these years of research of death and no, not one improvement towards anything good has come of embryonic "baby" stem cell research. Not like adult stem cells...has.

Wait, but for the most part hasn't this research been banned?

 

[Ave Maria]

Finally some good news!

 

[catlover]

I think it would get the most traffic if the mods stick it in Ethics and morals forum.





It already has my support since their using stem cells from in vitro "left-overs"?

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I thinkthey are but will the scientists come up with a line of cloned embryos in the future??

 

[catlover]

Then why do we never hear about adult stem cell research, which is just as promising if not moreso than ESCR?

Is it really?