FBI declines GOP subpoena on Biden ‘alleged criminal scheme’

[ralliann]

Of course the FBI declined on false subpoenas on Biden's by the GOP. The GOP will do anything lie, turn innocent Democrat's in for nothing and cheat their way into party to the top.

And they should not have. This is ultimately about A branch of our government by the people and for the people. The FBI, CIA is not that or any other Agency challenging their power through the people that elected them. The same has been being done with the judicial branch of the supreme court, they are Judges selected by the executive branch, given power by our vote to install those justices. The elected branch of legislature, is by the people and for the people. That branch carries the power of the vote of each member within it. The FBI, does not. The FBI has no business in defying our representative government officials PERIOD. This is a power grab over the people, plain and simple. Making our the peoples votes nothing.

 

[dzheremi]

Trying to compare a leak of unverified info by Buzzfeed, a website most well-known for publishing listsicles asking "What Donut are You?" or whatever, to the FBI's declining a GOP request for unverified information so that the GOP can continue their fantasy that they're going to expose Biden as payback for the supposed mistreatment of Trump is absolutely ridiculous.

Maybe people who believe in paranoid conspiracies regarding the media and 'fake news' aren't the best ones to be making comparisons between different media organizations, or their relation to how government agencies supposedly work.

 

[Postvieww]

Of course the FBI declined on false subpoenas on Biden's by the GOP.

Please explain how the subpoena was false. The House has legal jurisdiction and oversight. Does the fact you and others don’t like it make it false?

I'm just looking for one person who has actually seen this alleged laptop.

Anyone?

Bueller?

Check with the FBI they may send you a photo.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yep, and the discussions here involve those who demand we call a man, a woman. What do you expect in response from them on all things they want? The obvious and known is not the obvious and known. What they say is true is the same in all manner of discussion.

Which man are they demanding be called a woman?

 

[Larniavc]

In a nutshell, they had no problem running with stories about Trump having Russian prostitutes urinating on him...but when it comes to potentially damning info about the Biden family...now all the sudden "discretion is key"

How would that ruin Trump’s reputatio? His reputation as a sexually immoral crook has been well known for decades.

 

[Pommer]

FBI declines GOP subpoena on Biden ‘alleged criminal scheme’

The FBI declined to immediately provide congressional Republicans with a document the lawmakers say outlines an “alleged criminal scheme” involving President Biden and a foreign nationa…

thehill.com

FBI declines to provide House chairman with document he claims will implicate Biden in 'criminal scheme'

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., had issued a subpoena for access to sensitive law enforcement materials.

www.nbcnews.com

The FBI declined to immediately provide congressional Republicans with a document the lawmakers say outlines an “alleged criminal scheme” involving President Biden and a foreign national, blowing through a Wednesday deadline to produce the unverified information that was subpoenaed by House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.).


Grassley, meanwhile, insisted that the FBI's "offer to provide an accommodation process in response to our legitimate request indicates the document is real."

Reached for comment, an FBI spokesperson said the report requested by Comer’s committee “is used by FBI agents to record unverified reporting by a confidential human source.”

“Documenting the information does not validate it, establish its credibility, or weigh it against other information verified by the FBI,” the spokesperson said in a statement, cautioning that providing such information could harm investigations and judicial proceedings and “unfairly violate privacy or reputations.”


Seems like this is a bit of a bad look.

When reading the various articles on the subject...the underlying notion seems to be the rationale of withholding because "it's unverified".

While that's a good principle, in theory, I don't think it's applied consistently. Saying "this info isn't verified, so it shouldn't be disseminated to the public" would hold a lot more water if some folks in the press and in Washington weren't tripping over themselves to get the Steele Dossier into public view (and discourse) as quick as possible with no regard for "how it may impact a person's reputation"

...and I'm saying that as a person who's not a Trump fan, this one appears to be a clear double-standard.

This is a budding “tactic”, that won’t gain traction given the amateurness of its design.

The “document” that the subcommittee seeks is an internal FBI document that isn’t supposed to see the light of day; a “tip-sheet” of possible, unverified, accusations and second-hand information.

A savvy (and yet somehow unsophisticated) congressperson could “phone in a tip” that “Politician XYZ kills puppies with a hammer to relax”; months or years later, the caller could demand this form [FD-1023] be released so that this wild accusation can get into the public record.

And the FBI would have to “turn it over”; which is why they’ve fought, tooth and nail, not to.

 

[ralliann]

This is a budding “tactic”, that won’t gain traction given the amateurness of its design.

The “document” that the subcommittee seeks is an internal FBI document that isn’t supposed to see the light of day; a “tip-sheet” of possible, unverified, accusations and second-hand information.

A savvy (and yet somehow unsophisticated) congressperson could “phone in a tip” that “Politician XYZ kills puppies with a hammer to relax”; months or years later, the caller could demand this form [FD-1023] be released so that, this wild accusation can get into the public record.

And the FBI would have to “turn it over”; which is why they’ve fought, tooth and nail, not to.

It is also the dismantling of the balance of power we the people have. That is the bottom line. Keeping power to the people, and keeping those powers in check. Throwing the FBI, CIA, APA or whatever agency in the middle of that to stifle any of those powers is a huge threat to our constitutional form of government as a representative democracy.

 

[NxNW]

Check with the FBI they may send you a photo.

You're the one claiming it exists; it's your responsibility to support that claim.

 

[Pommer]

It is also the dismantling of the balance of power we the people have. That is the bottom line. Keeping power to the people, and keeping those powers in check. Throwing the FBI, CIA, APA or whatever agency in the middle of that to stifle any of those powers is a huge threat to our constitutional form of government as a representative democracy.

Accusing other parts of the government of malfeasance and corruption is a time-honored tactic of those folks who need to gin up anger to manipulate the electorate.

 

[ralliann]

Accusing other parts of the government of malfeasance and corruption is a time-honored tactic of those folks who need to gin up anger to manipulate the electorate.

?

 

[Pommer]

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Subcommittee: “The FBI is slow-walking the vital piece of evidence that this subcommittee desperately needs to do its job, what are they hiding!?”

How many times has this FD-1023 form been sought from a committee in the past?

My guess is “zero”.

 

[ralliann]

Subcommittee: “The FBI is slow-walking the vital piece of evidence that this subcommittee desperately needs to do its job, what are they hiding!?”

How many times has this FD-1023 form been sought from a committee in the past?

My guess is “zero”.

Hand it over to the people! We will decide the matter by what comes from what we want to know. The FBI or any other agency, Needs to hand it over period.

 

[dzheremi]

Hand it over to the people! We will decide the matter by what comes from what we want to know. The FBI or any other agency, Needs to hand it over period.

What are you talking about? This subcommittee isn't "the people." Them getting this unverified piece of intelligence does not materially benefit your life or my life or any of our lives in any way. In fact, if anything, insofar as it continues to feed the partisan rage loop that leads to so little of consequence getting done by our government (which is true no matter which party is in power, so don't even think about replying with nonsense about "the other side"; both parties are beholden to corporate and foreign interests), an argument certainly could be made that it is better for the average person that this sort of thing not be indulged by further enabling it. Government should not be about conflict and score-settling between Rs and Ds, as though such things should concern the rest of us who do not make our living by manipulating public opinion with twisted worldviews that obscure raw partisanship with a thin veneer of 'public service' which is in fact anything but. As the saying goes, when elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers.

 

[Pommer]

What are you talking about? This subcommittee isn't "the people." Them getting this unverified piece of intelligence does not materially benefit your life or my life or any of our lives in any way. In fact, if anything, insofar as it continues to feed the partisan rage loop that leads to so little of consequence getting done by our government (which is true no matter which party is in power, so don't even think about replying with nonsense about "the other side"; both parties are beholden to corporate and foreign interests), an argument certainly could be made that it is better for the average person that this sort of thing not be indulged by further enabling it. Government should not be about conflict and score-settling between Rs and Ds, as though such things should concern the rest of us who do not make our living by manipulating public opinion with twisted worldviews that obscure raw partisanship with a thin veneer of 'public service' which is in fact anything but. As the saying goes, when elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers.

Exactly, this is a minor, petty squabble between the subcommittee and the Executive branch actually a normal process over “where what ‘data’ belong”. This would have been a “slow news day” story in 2008.
Now we are being told that the fate of the republic rests with the document that the FBI has been reluctant to share, thus far(?) with the subcommittee.
Mercy!

 

[ralliann]

What are you talking about? This subcommittee isn't "the people."

Yes, they are. They are Congress.

Them getting this unverified piece of intelligence does not materially benefit your life or my life or any of our lives in any way.

Yes it does. they are our congress. Hand it over.

In fact, if anything, insofar as it continues to feed the partisan rage loop that leads to so little of consequence getting done by our government (which is true no matter which party is in power, so don't even think about replying with nonsense about "the other side";

It isn't me raging against "sides", you are. It is a branch of the peoples representative government. Hand it over to us. The FBI Are unelected people in an agency. Give it over to our elected branch that is accountable to us the voters. It is why we the people put them there.

both parties are beholden to corporate and foreign interests), an argument certainly could be made that it is better for the average person that this sort of thing not be indulged by further enabling it.

We the people put that entire congress there, our congress. Hand it over to us. See how simple that is.

Government should not be about conflict and score-settling between Rs and Ds, as though such things should concern the rest of us who do not make our living by manipulating public opinion with twisted worldviews that obscure raw partisanship with a thin veneer of 'public service' which is in fact anything but. As the saying goes, when elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers.

Give it to congress and let the people decide with our power to elect whom our by our will. Get the FBI, or any other agency out of it. It does not belong there. Talking about parties has no place in this discussion. Just our branch of Government that we the people place there in our congress

 

[ralliann]

Exactly, this is a minor, petty squabble between the subcommittee and the Executive branch actually a normal process over “where what ‘data’ belong”. This would have been a “slow news day” story in 2008.
Now we are being told that the fate of the republic rests with the document that the FBI has been reluctant to share, thus far(?) with the subcommittee.
Mercy!

No it is not. Our congress wants the documents, give them to our congress. The FBI needs to comply to congress, we the people.

 

[Postvieww]

What laptop? Do you have a photo of this supposed laptop?

New Testimony Reveals Secretary Blinken and Biden Campaign Behind the Infamous Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Laptop Here is some information to chew on while I am awaiting my security clearance to view and photo the laptop even Hunter doesn’t deny exists. It is not in the the realm of reality to ask me to produce a photo of a laptop held by the FBI. To ignore it’s existence in the face of multiple testimonies to the contrary is just a diversion.

 

[rambot]

How would that ruin Trump’s reputatio? His reputation as a sexually immoral crook has been well known for decades.

And don't forget his supporters literally wouldn't care a bit if he did.

 

[rambot]

No it is not. Our congress wants the documents, give them to our congress. The FBI needs to comply to congress, we the people.

Is it always important that government officials had over necessary documentation when requested by court or congress or is this important because it's Biden?


You'll forgive my cynicism that this is a principled decision and not a partisan one.

 

[NxNW]

New Testimony Reveals Secretary Blinken and Biden Campaign Behind the Infamous Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Laptop Here is some information to chew on while I am awaiting my security clearance to view and photo the laptop even Hunter doesn’t deny exists. It is not in the the realm of reality to ask me to produce a photo of a laptop held by the FBI. To ignore it’s existence in the face of multiple testimonies to the contrary is just a diversion.

Hunter Biden does not confirm its existence. In fact, nobody in a position to confirm it has done so.