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FBI Authorized Use of Deadly Force During Mar-a-Lago Raid

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That is inconsistent with Hur’s testimony. He said he revealed classified information and “read classified information out loud” to him.
 
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Well that’s the dispute, isn’t it? His position is that same President, he is the one who decides who is authorized.

You can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure.
It’s “standard procedure” for ex-Presidents who’ve purloined papers that belong to the government, (and asked several times for, in writing, before making the unprecedented step of putting this standard to the “ex-president’s test”.

The question is: what should have the government done differently to get President Trump to relinquish the purloined papers?
 
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Did the FBI raid Biden’s private resident?
My understanding is that Mar-A-Lago is a private club where the former President resides but that doesn’t make it a “residence”.
 
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Are they claiming that Hur lied under oath? And last time I checked audio recordings qualified as proof
They should bring Joe up on charges after he leaves office, for this “reading of classified” materials to a ghostwriter who didn’t hold security-clearance.
 
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Use deadly force.
 
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Like I said burden of proof. People can say many things. A proper link will do or is that too much to ask?

You meant this I would assume. Didn't he said he doesn't condone it?

Trump says he may pay legal fees of supporter who sucker-punched protester at rally

“I don’t condone violence,” he said, “but this kid shouldn’t have had the finger up in the air, either.”

I'm asking for a direct instruction that he said. Not comment on acts of others.

I hope for an actual call to violence. Like what you would read about the Rwanda genocide "cut the tall trees"
 
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It’s “standard procedure” for ex-Presidents who’ve
As I said, you can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure. Claims of Trump wrong doing are false. If you cannot see the law fare tactic to interfere with the 2024 election, not all have eyes to see.
 
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Should we “deregulate the government”?
Gee, won’t that be a fun ride!?
Yes. At what point would you recognize the government needs to be deregulated? What budget, debt, # of workers, pages of budget would cause a reasonable person to realize the largest institution in the history of mankind is too big to be effective in restraining itself strictly to its Constitutional purposes for existing?
 
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Says the monarchy apologist.
No. I'm a Constitutional apologist based on Conservative principles of the Declaration of Independence - limited government and Individual freedom. The departments are subject to the elected POTUS, not the other way around. This Deep State opposition is why they properly recognize the existential threat Trump poses and why his ascendency is revolutionary.

The propaganda necessarily distorts this. Trump is not a danger to democracy; he is democracy getting more votes than any POTUS running for re-election ever. And he is a danger to the Deep State. I suspect an assassination attempt this year as they will stop at nothing to retain power.
 
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They should bring Joe up on charges after he leaves office, for this “reading of classified” materials to a ghostwriter who didn’t hold security-clearance.
No, he will be an old irrelevant man. They should let him retire in peace.
 
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Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Robert Hur confirmed Tuesday President Joe Biden’s ghostwriter discarded audio recordings of conversations about the executive office’s military decisions.
 
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As I said, you can’t have it both ways; is unprecedented AND standard procedure. Claims of Trump wrong doing are false. If you cannot see the law fare tactic to interfere with the 2024 election, not all have eyes to see.
This has already been pointed out, arguing this is completely misunderstanding what each refers to. Nobody is talking of the same thing when referring to unprecedented and standard procedure. Please stop making this false arguement. English isn't even my native language and I can understand what each point refers to.
 
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That is inconsistent with Hur’s testimony. He said he revealed classified information and “read classified information out loud” to him.
Based on what evidence, precisely? If he has any, he obviously hasn't shared it with anyone - the House Rs would be scrambling to impeach if they had proof of such a clear-cut crime.
In which Biden claims he did not share any classified material, which is backed up by the transcripts, which were not destroyed.
 
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Biden doesn’t know what he shared.
 
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No. I'm a Constitutional apologist based on Conservative principles of the Declaration of Independence - limited government and Individual freedom. The departments are subject to the elected POTUS, not the other way around.
The president does not have the "individual freedom" to decide what is or isn't classified, or who is authorized to see classified materials.
 
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Like I said burden of proof. People can say many things. A proper link will do or is that too much to ask?
Read it and weep. Really, it wasn't that hard to find a transcript.

When bluntly asked to tell his Proudboy supporters to "stand down" he instead instructed them to "stand by" and they interpreted his J6 speech as a direct call to action, according to their defense pleas.
You meant this I would assume. Didn't he said he doesn't condone it?

Trump says he may pay legal fees of supporter who sucker-punched protester at rally
So although he says he doesn't condone it, he'll pay the legal fees? There seems to be a bit of an internal contradiction there. Paraphrase: I'm not saying my violent supporters should punch the protesters, but if they do, I am looking into paying their legal fees. He says he is not condoning it in the same paragraph in which he condones it. Weasel words.

I'm asking for a direct instruction that he said. Not comment on acts of others.
Like telling the cops not to shield the suspects' heads when putting them in the car for arrest?
I hope for an actual call to violence. Like what you would read about the Rwanda genocide "cut the tall trees"
He does a lot of winking and nodding.
 
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Nobody is talking of the same thing when referring to unprecedented and standard procedure. Please stop making this false arguement.
I am pointing out the false argument. Big difference.

President Trump has the authority not the Deep State. They are attempting to do to him what they did to General Flynn, entrap him in a process crime with no underlying crime having been committed. Doubling down on this corruption of power by calling it "standard procedure" is the propaganda that I see through for what it is. And I will NOT adopt the language of my enemy.

We learned last week this abuse of power extended to the Deep State authorizing itself to use deadly force in execution of a warrant agains the President of the United States guarded by the Secret Service. Only a fool would hold themselves to the standard of the law those corrupted by power invent while exempting themselves.

The history of this is criminalizing political disputes. If you do not see this is maximizing violence, look again.
 
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I am pointing out the false argument. Big difference.

President Trump has the authority not the Deep State.
There is no "President Trump" anymore. Donald Trump did not have the authority to keep those classified documents, not the authority to grant himself access.
 
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