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Dismas: I would be happy to, except I don't have any! I will try to find some, download them and then post them over there....any suggestions for particular ones?
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Great...
Not sure if this will work or not...but you may be able to merely link to a sites icon and not have to download it..and then upload it to the forum.
here is one to try...you will need to take out the intentional spaces...
h t t p :/ /home.it.net.au/~jgrapsas/Ikons/Descent2.jpg
Not sure if this will work or not...but you may be able to merely link to a sites icon and not have to download it..and then upload it to the forum.
here is one to try...you will need to take out the intentional spaces...
h t t p :/ /home.it.net.au/~jgrapsas/Ikons/Descent2.jpg
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Speaking of Icons... I got a beautiful Russian wall Cross that I love. My question is this: above the Cross is God the Father. I thought that The Father wasn't supposed to be depicted in Icons. Is that true, or are there exceptions, or am I totally wrong?
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Well, there are some icons where God the Father is depicted in a human form. I've seen one at a church called Holy Trinity, and one on the back of my bishop's vestments. So it's not forbidden, but it is generally considered bad form because it goes against Nicaea II's arguments in favor of depicting God the Son in icon format. After all, Christ Himself said, "Whomever has seen Me has seen the Father". The Creation icons I have (Stars and the Animal Kingdom) both clearly depict Christ as the one Creating. So I think it is neither necessary nor right to depict God the Father in any way other than the spear in the icons of the Annunciation and Theophany, the angel in the Hospitality of Abraham, etc.MosestheBlack said:
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I just found an interesting article about the subject, and about the controversy surrounding the Council in Moscow.Oblio said:
http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20ICON%20OF%20THE%20HOLY%20TRINITY.htm
I haven't read the whole thing, and I also don't think this came from a canonical Orthodox site. What is the ROAC?
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MosestheBlack said:
Are you sure it is not Christ (look for the W O N ) ?
Explanation f the Russian 3-Bar Cross, check out the top bar button.
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Matrona said:Then why has my bishop a set of vestments that have this icon on the back? You know, that big outermost one.... I forget what it's called.
It was a small icon, but I recognized it clearly.
Now I'm so confused!
It's really not canonical but I don't think we should "throw that heretical icons in a trash can" as someone at a Russian forum suggested after a similar question. There was great influence from the West in Orthodox art in XVII-XIX centuries, especially in Russia, and this traditions still live. E.g., restored frescos of the Temple of Christ the Savior have image of the Father too (BTW, the Temple is actually two churches -- that splendid Church of Nativity and lower Church of Transfiguration made in much more ancient style).
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It is improper to depict the Trinity as an Old Man with a long beard and the Star of David in his Halo (God the Father), a younger man with a beard and a cross in his halo (Christ) and a Dove because the Gospel says (quoting Christ) "He who has seen me, has seen the father" and "no one has seen the Father but me." The proper depiction of the Trinity is in the Hospitality of Abraham. The Hospitality of Abraham depicts the 3 angels who visited Abraham and because this event actually happened it can be depicted. This icon was first used as a model of the Trinity by St. Andrei Rublev, the Great Russian Iconographer. As was mentioned earlier the icon of the two men and the dove did see much use in Russia until the Council of Moscow decreed that it was not a valid depiction of the Trinity. You will still see this icon in many churches, the OCA church which I was chrismated in had it on top of a cross, but it is improper. I hope I have added a little clearness to the subject matter.
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I was at a church called Holy Trinity yesterday for a prayer service as well as Great Canon. On the iconostasis in the place of the festal/patronal icon, they had a two-men-and-a-dove. I was reading psalms for both services and sat in several places throughout the church--to the side of the solea in the readers' area, on the solea, in one of the pews, etc. Because of this thread, I had meant to look at the Trinity icon, which I've seen many times before, but I only meant to look at it and maybe ponder it for a little while.
But no matter where I was in the church, there was ALWAYS, without fail, something blocking my line of sight. I could see Christ perfectly well, and sometimes the dove, depending on where I was. But the Father's face always had something blocking it--a candle stick, or a lampada, or something, always seemed to be in the way. I never got to any place in the church yesterday where I could see the Father's face AT ALL. How strange is that?!
But no matter where I was in the church, there was ALWAYS, without fail, something blocking my line of sight. I could see Christ perfectly well, and sometimes the dove, depending on where I was. But the Father's face always had something blocking it--a candle stick, or a lampada, or something, always seemed to be in the way. I never got to any place in the church yesterday where I could see the Father's face AT ALL. How strange is that?!
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This site has some remarkable resources on video tape.
Fr. Alexander is not only a remarkable and gifted iconographer, but a wonderful teacher.
He has recently allowed me to do a clip of his first video, The History of Iconograph. The tape is an hour long, and the clip is the first 15 minutes of it.
I think you will agree it is marvelous.
If you would like to help me test the clip, I would appreciate it very much.
Pls tell me your connect speed, browser, media player, and any comments you have on the quality of the download.
Keep in mind, this is a compressed streaming media file, and in being so, has lost a lot of the quality that is in the original tape version.
The download is at (pls add http://)
saintig.org/icon/iconography.asf
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Dismas
Fr. Alexander is not only a remarkable and gifted iconographer, but a wonderful teacher.
He has recently allowed me to do a clip of his first video, The History of Iconograph. The tape is an hour long, and the clip is the first 15 minutes of it.
I think you will agree it is marvelous.
If you would like to help me test the clip, I would appreciate it very much.
Pls tell me your connect speed, browser, media player, and any comments you have on the quality of the download.
Keep in mind, this is a compressed streaming media file, and in being so, has lost a lot of the quality that is in the original tape version.
The download is at (pls add http://)
saintig.org/icon/iconography.asf
Peace,
Dismas
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