Matthew 23:9
How do you guys justify your way around calling your priest, "father?"
How do you guys justify your way around calling your priest, "father?"
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Benedicta00
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Umm, the same you justify the way you call your father, father and the same way Paul justified calling himself father to Timothy and the same way Paul called Abraham father.Rebirth In Flames said:
Obviously Jesus was not speaking literally call no man father.
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Benedicta00
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Re-Birth in Flames,
Got a question for you John 6 how do you justify your way around Jesus saying we must eat his flesh and drink his blood or we will have no eternal life?
Got a question for you John 6 how do you justify your way around Jesus saying we must eat his flesh and drink his blood or we will have no eternal life?
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Victrixa
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Shelb5 said:
Its exactly that. I think what is meant in the 'call no one father' passage, if we look in the context, is that God alone can be our god. We can not create idols for ourselves. It matches well the first commandment "Thou shall not have other gods before me". To call a paternal figure 'father' is certainly not wrong, but to make ourselves a god in which we place our trust is a very grave sin.
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Benedicta00
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Yep, it means no other person or thing can replace God in our lives. Don't call no man father as in don't make anything else or anyone else your God.Victrixa said:
I think what is meant in the 'call no one father' passage, if we look in the context, is that God alone can be our god. We can not create idols for ourselves. It matches well the first commandment "Thou shall not have other gods before me". To call a paternal figure 'father' is certainly not wrong, but to make ourselves a god in which we place our trust is a very grave sin.
So I guess we answered how we justify our way around that verse. Interesting how Jesus said not to call anyone teacher- I think he was referring to no one else other than His Church has the authority to teach us.
Funny isnt it? When were challenged about our "non-biblical" beliefs and the bible is used against us, it always turns out that the bible actually supports Catholicism and speaks directly to our beliefs, not against them.
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Benedicta00
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You know after reading this verse in context verse 1- 15. Jesus is speaking about His coming visible Church on earth.Rebirth In Flames said:
Those who sat in the seat of Moses were hypocrites and did not practice what they preach, but Christ's Church will be lead by Him and will be under His sovereign control. This is what call no man father, call no man teacher and call no man master means. Although men are given Christ's authority on earth to teach the faithful, they and us, the faithful and the bishops are to know they merely represent Christ on earth to us and that God is the one guiding and leading this Church that he is the one in control and it is He that teaches us through the visible institution we call "men." Christ also was pointing out the need for humility because the position is not one of power but one of service unlike the visible institution of the Jewish Pharisees party who was filled with pride. So really this verse was a parallel Jesus was making between the existing visible teaching authority and the one that is to come.
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MIchelle- you didn't actually go and read the Bible did you? You know Catholics aren't supposed to do that!
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Benedicta00
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Actully I did. Don't tell the secret service on me.ShannonMcMorland said:MIchelle- you didn't actually go and read the Bible did you? You know Catholics aren't supposed to do that!
What was it that Scott Hahn said, Being a bible believing Christan, I was required to become Catholic.
Baby is doing well.
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Shelb5 said:
That is wonderful to hear! I meant to send y'all a little something and just procrastinated until it was no longer a "new baby" gift! I have offered many Masses for you and your little one, though! Okay- sorry to get off track there....
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Oh, thank you. Offering Mass for us means more to me than a new baby gift. Thanks again.ShannonMcMorland said:
That is wonderful to hear! I meant to send y'all a little something and just procrastinated until it was no longer a "new baby" gift! I have offered many Masses for you and your little one, though! Okay- sorry to get off track there....
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Busy...one word: HouseShelb5 said:
...wait, make it two -- house, work, and gym.
No wait...
ARGGHHH...
... see how busy I am?!
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aReformedPatriot
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i was reffering to the 'tone' of certain posts if you will, and a couple blatant hostile comments chastising him for for claiming to be a 'bible believeing Christian'
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I love calling my priest Father. Or Pater. Or Padre.
Would you like to know why we do that?
Would you like to know why we do that?
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