False Testimony on Todd Bentley’s Website

[charityagape]

I completely agree. I would have more understanding if the watchmen dealt with this by going to him, and pasting his email response here. I don't see the fruit of their warnings here, except everyone begins to feel defensive that "they are right." I feel what is being couched as a warning is slander against someone who can't defend themselves. The reason that bothers me is because the fruit of it seems to be division between the body. We begin to argue the tiniest details trying to convince each other their biblical quality and meaning, instead of going to the source.

Even in our flawed legal system the guilty have opportunity to face their accusers and give defense.

AMEN!

 

[Simon Peter]

I completely agree. I would have more understanding if the watchmen dealt with this by going to him, and pasting his email response here.

Todd's response has been linked on this thread. It's very long.

I feel what is being couched as a warning is slander against someone who can't defend themselves.
...
Even in our flawed legal system the guilty have opportunity to face their accusers and give defense.

Perhaps you don't understand what 'slander' is? It's only slander if it's a lie (UNTRUE) and damages his reputation. Or perhaps you do understand, in which case I don't appreciate being accused of lying.

Would you also do away with the media's rights to print stories about people?

Todd Bentley is free to defend himself (and has) and can sue anyone he chooses for libel or slander.

 

[Amaryllismayfly]

Todd's response has been linked on this thread. It's very long.



Perhaps you don't understand what 'slander' is? It's only slander if it's a lie (UNTRUE) and damages his reputation. Or perhaps you do understand, in which case I don't appreciate being accused of lying.

Would you also do away with the media's rights to print stories about people?

Todd Bentley is free to defend himself (and has) and can sue anyone he chooses for libel or slander.

I am sorry you were offended. In the media the accused can at least see the accusation. The media is required to research it out, and is suppose to only print truth that they verified, or they could be sued. Usually they contact the person for comment.

I agree that we can say anything we want, its is one of our rights. If that is your point, I agree with it.

The accused in this country have a right to face their accusers, and defend themselves. This law is losely based on Gods law that says to go to the one and confront him.

Think how much more powerful these warnings would be if the ones warning us could say "I talked with him, and this was his response."

I am sorry I said anything. You are offended, and I am sorry about offending you.

 

[Watchman4hm]

I completely agree. I would have more understanding if the watchmen dealt with this by going to him, and pasting his email response here. I don't see the fruit of their warnings here, except everyone begins to feel defensive that "they are right." I feel what is being couched as a warning is slander against someone who can't defend themselves. The reason that bothers me is because the fruit of it seems to be division between the body. We begin to argue the tiniest details trying to convince each other their biblical quality and meaning, instead of going to the source.

Even in our flawed legal system the guilty have opportunity to face their accusers and give defense.

1) His words all already posted for all to see on his website..But yet we are supposed to go to him?..Out of the mouth the heart speaks..(in this case his fingertips)..NO need to go to him..

2)Everything we believe must stand up to the word of God..PERIOD..
It is Gods word the separates the flesh from the spirit..Heb 4:12
When comparing what he says he believes, and how he obtained some of his knowledge, it is clear that his knowledge doesn't line up with scripture.

a)Sundar Singh was a universalist, yet God suposedly took Todd
as well as Bob Jones to meet this "dead" man to learn about
Hindu arts of meditation, that Todd refers to as Contemplative
Meditation. ( A yoga exercise of emptying ones mind)

b) Todd claims an angel that "appears" as a woman named Emma
accompanies him at his meetings and it is she that does the
healing's. (The Holy Spirit heals through the direction of Jesus
and he needs NO created beings help with that).

These things alone should raise some red flags to anyone indwelt with the Spirit of God, for they bring glory to man, and angels, NOT GOD..

3) There sure is a division of things taking place. Its called the separation of the wheat and tares. Lines are clearly being drawn in the sand. Strong delusion is waiting for many who put their trust in the wrong place, and do not heed the promptings of the Spirit of God..During this time false Christians will be separated from the phony Christians who have a pseudo salvation rather than a heart salvation.. will...Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 9, Matthew 13, 2 Thess 2:11

4) We may "dwell" in a land that is a republic, and the laws are made democratically, but my home is where there is a THEOCRACY..As for me and my house....

 

[Ajax 777]

1) His words all already posted for all to see on his website..But yet we are supposed to go to him?..Out of the mouth the heart speaks..(in this case his fingertips)..NO need to go to him..

2)Everything we believe must stand up to the word of God..PERIOD..
It is Gods word the separates the flesh from the spirit..Heb 4:12
When comparing what he says he believes, and how he obtained some of his knowledge, it is clear that his knowledge doesn't line up with scripture.

a)Sundar Singh was a universalist, yet God suposedly took Todd
as well as Bob Jones to meet this "dead" man to learn about
Hindu arts of meditation, that Todd refers to as Contemplative
Meditation. ( A yoga exercise of emptying ones mind)

b) Todd claims an angel that "appears" as a woman named Emma
accompanies him at his meetings and it is she that does the
healing's. (The Holy Spirit heals through the direction of Jesus
and he needs NO created beings help with that).

These things alone should raise some red flags to anyone indwelt with the Spirit of God, for they bring glory to man, and angels, NOT GOD..

3) There sure is a division of things taking place. Its called the separation of the wheat and tares. Lines are clearly being drawn in the sand. Strong delusion is waiting for many who put their trust in the wrong place, and do not heed the promptings of the Spirit of God..During this time false Christians will be separated from the phony Christians who have a pseudo salvation rather than a heart salvation.. will...Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 9, Matthew 13, 2 Thess 2:11

4) We may "dwell" in a land that is a republic, and the laws are made democratically, but my home is where there is a THEOCRACY..As for me and my house....

Beautifully put!

 

[Amaryllismayfly]

God bless you. I am going to try and be done for real this time.

 

[ImmersionX]

You like when someone calls other people ratbags?

Your condescending tone is getting worn out.
I like his bluntness....the word ratbag got your intention eh? Mine too! Don't act holier than thou here missy.
It's a forum.

Peace and God Bless.

 

[ImmersionX]

I doubt you are confused. It's more likely you are choosing to take a very narrow view of the word "accountable".

Though actually Todd has said that he's been reading many of the things written about him and his teachings on the internet; and he's felt obligated to answer his critics in his televised meetings as well as in a lengthy written response on his web site.

A widespread grass roots internet based rejection of many of Todd's teachings by Christians, is holding him accountable.

Hence why Fresh Fire Ministries had their marketing people take out references to the name of the angel called Emma!
See how that comes...we are at full circle here brothers and sister.


I love it.

 

[ImmersionX]

I am sorry you were offended. In the media the accused can at least see the accusation. The media is required to research it out, and is suppose to only print truth that they verified, or they could be sued. Usually they contact the person for comment.

Sorry, but the accused do NOT(99.9% of the time) "at least see the accusation"...they are forced to deal with it head on, from jail, with no television.

The media is required....nothing...the media hold to noone's standards and practices but their own LOL.

Just a reality check here.

 

[Lulav]

Mike Oppenheimer from “Let us Reason” says, “Instead of people getting saved, they are getting lost--by listening to a man's experiences of the supernatural that are unbiblical and untrue.”

Mike continues, “This revival has all the spiritual sensations and activities of the other revivals combined: Roaring, groaning, burning sensations in the body, head, and stomach; shaking, jerking, spiritual drunkenness and uncontrollable laughter and then some new manifestations. People have their eyes rolled back in the back of their heads. There are reports of women gyrating and pulsating like some unseen force has ravaged them from behind. Holy or un-holy may still be debated by some but to those of us who are knowledgeable of the previous ‘revivals’ and the power of the occult, the jury is in. The source is not the God of the Bible. This may disturb some but if they will use their Bible, pray, and think it through, they will gain discernment and spiritual understanding.”

The shakes, jerks, twitching, frozen stillness, laughter, animal sounds, and more have all been standard in other so-called “revivals” before this one. The Florida Revival is nothing new but it is preying on young and new believers who do not know their Bibles, nor understand the supernatural realm of darkness. It is also preying on the desperate, such as the sick people who can find no medical help.

As said before by many on the forum that TB talks about the mad chaos, which is totally uncharacteristic of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. TB says, “During a visitation, the pastor's wife got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost. She began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her.”

On “lighthouse Trails Research Project” it reports, “The following information will show Bentley's spiritual resonance with a man named Sundar Singh (1829-1929). At one point in Bentley's ministry, he had a vision of Sundar Singh. This vision influenced Bentley. According to the biographer of Singh, Singh spent much of his life in deep trance-like states communicating with spiritual beings”. Through this he saw the “glories” of the spirit world. He combined East and West in his meditative disciplines. He had long hours of meditation and days of silence.

TB talks about himself being possessed by demons undergoing a deliverance, his past Satanic worship, his mother levitating, and demons writing 666 on his cupboard in his kitchen.

It’s hard to tell the difference between the words of Bentley and those of Satan, because as reported before many times, TB says: “You see, I want to be fruitful; I want to be far above. I want to be a conqueror; I want to be a mountain of strength; I want to be greatness. You know, we like that word greatness. Well, he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High automatically comes into everything that the Almighty is. It happens.” Sounds like Isaiah 14:12-14?
TBs obsession with angels, particularly an angel named Emma and he says, “So when I need a financial breakthrough, I don't just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: ‘Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.’”

We are warned in the Bible that the devil will “transform himself into an angel of light”, and that in the last days will come, and perilous times that “lying signs and wonders that will deceive, if possible, the very elect” (2 The. 2:9). The Bible tells us about the “wiles of the devil”, and that he is capable of the supposed “miracles” at the TBs meetings. Tragically, many pastors are having hands laid on them to receive this “Florida anointing” and further spread this deception, seduction, and chaos.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

I don't think I had seen this one, it is rather convoluted, and strange, how do you have 666 painted in black 'etched' in wood, and upside-down? Wouldn't upside-down be 999?
Still when did he get married? He said he became a Christian when he was 18 but did not repent for beating his mother, his deaf mother until he got married.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSK...are-real-and-they-are-messin-around-with-him/
Also I came across his picture from a conference from just last year. Big change, don't you think?

http://www.rickjoyner.com/Images/content/1000000055/1000019694.gif

 

[Lulav]

Denial of the need for Christ as our savior?

I mean, there really are DANGEROUS doctrines that we have to take stand against. I just don't think we've seen anything that warrants such staunch opposition from Bentley.

IMO.

:o

"We don't need to get the people to believe in Jesus, they already believe in Jesus, we need them to believe in The Angel."


How much more dangerous do you think there is?

 

[ImmersionX]

I don't think I had seen this one, it is rather convoluted, and strange, how do you have 666 painted in black 'etched' in wood, and upside-down? Wouldn't upside-down be 999?
Still when did he get married? He said he became a Christian when he was 18 but did not repent for beating his mother, his deaf mother until he got married.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSK...are-real-and-they-are-messin-around-with-him/
Also I came across his picture from a conference from just last year. Big change, don't you think?

http://www.rickjoyner.com/Images/content/1000000055/1000019694.gif

Good pic....lol...this is a classic case of the "switch my image to fit with the times" sort of thing...like an actor. VERY convoluted indeed!!!!!

I wonder if Emma the angel has tats and piercings? What...? Yeah I said it. Chew on that for a while Emma the angel!!!!!! Maybe she is his agent!?!?! Sorry I can't take TB seriously at all as far as anything but a big entertainer.

Peace and God Bless.

 

[Lulav]

1) His words all already posted for all to see on his website..But yet we are supposed to go to him?..Out of the mouth the heart speaks..(in this case his fingertips)..NO need to go to him..

2)Everything we believe must stand up to the word of God..PERIOD..
It is Gods word the separates the flesh from the spirit..Heb 4:12
When comparing what he says he believes, and how he obtained some of his knowledge, it is clear that his knowledge doesn't line up with scripture.

a)Sundar Singh was a universalist, yet God suposedly took Todd
as well as Bob Jones to meet this "dead" man to learn about
Hindu arts of meditation, that Todd refers to as Contemplative
Meditation. ( A yoga exercise of emptying ones mind)

b) Todd claims an angel that "appears" as a woman named Emma
accompanies him at his meetings and it is she that does the
healing's. (The Holy Spirit heals through the direction of Jesus
and he needs NO created beings help with that).

These things alone should raise some red flags to anyone indwelt with the Spirit of God, for they bring glory to man, and angels, NOT GOD..

3) There sure is a division of things taking place. Its called the separation of the wheat and tares. Lines are clearly being drawn in the sand. Strong delusion is waiting for many who put their trust in the wrong place, and do not heed the promptings of the Spirit of God..During this time false Christians will be separated from the phony Christians who have a pseudo salvation rather than a heart salvation.. will...Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 9, Matthew 13, 2 Thess 2:11

4) We may "dwell" in a land that is a republic, and the laws are made democratically, but my home is where there is a THEOCRACY..As for me and my house....

 

[Elijah2]

Yep, polished up his act, because he has been caught out. Possibly the principalities and powers have spoken to him to clean up his act. When I see a video of TB preaching and teaching from His Word all the time, and not proof-texting His Word to make himself appear to be "saved" by waving it around ocassionaly, or pretend to call those forward for salvation. As His Word says about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness and their secrecy.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

Anyway, I assumed that from records written that our Lord Jesus Christ had hazel to blue eyes, but TB's Jesus had dark brown eyes.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[PETE_]

There is so much that we do not know about angels because there is limited information in the Word about them.

Jesus on the other hand is the Word

Get it wrong about angels...no biggie
Get it wrong about Jesus....we all know the consequences there.

 

[ImmersionX]

There is so much that we do not know about angels because there is limited information in the Word about them.

Jesus on the other hand is the Word

Get it wrong about angels...no biggie
Get it wrong about Jesus....we all know the consequences there.

Totally agreed...but the bible is explicit about angels aka divine messengers:

Gen 24:7
Gen 28:12
1 Chr 21:15
Ps 78:25
Ps 148:2
Is 63:9
Zech 4:4
Matt 4:6
Luke 1:26
Luke 20:36
John 20:12
Acts 6:15
2 Cor 11:14
Col 2:18
Heb 13:2
2 Pet 2:4
Rev 2:1

Also look in your concordance the entry "Angel of the Lord"...same stuff.
No question about angels and their "job", nothing to get wrong, unless you are TB.

Nuff said.

Peace and God Bless.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Someone call an ambulance!

"Doctor! Doctor! We have several severe cases
of severe constipation coming - clear out the hallways STAT!"

"What are the symptoms?"

"They're full of poop."

 

[ImmersionX]

wow! LOL

 

[charityagape]

Your condescending tone is getting worn out.
I like his bluntness....the word ratbag got your intention eh? Mine too! Don't act holier than thou here missy.
It's a forum.

Peace and God Bless.

Hello. Is it really possible to accurately judge a "tone" from a short post? It must not be, because I was not being condescending, I really think calling someone a ratbag is horrible. And I was not acting holier than thou, its simply my opinion that calling someone a ratbag is horrible, so you're discerning wrong there. Also, you may not realize it but being called "missy" is very insulting and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me, or any woman "missy" in that........dare I say, tone. It would be akin to me directing a post at you and starting with; "Sonny, your arrogant tone is really getting worn out.....