False Teachings From Kenneth Hagin.

[churchlady]

ProAmerican..

You know, if even JUST ONCE on this forum you were to actually start a thread (or even make a post) that wasn't an accusation/attack on someone you would probably have much more credibility than you do.

Scripture says that Satan is 'the accuser of the brethren'. Now, while your intent may be good-- the fact that you have only shown yourself as an accuser, never as one who builds up, encourages, edifies, or even just fellowships with other believers here, it really makes you come across as being on the 'wrong side of the fence', so to speak.

Just something to consider...

Very succinctly put, Father Rick! .............concise and to the point.

 

[Normann]

Warning the body of Christ about false teachers/teachings isn't being scribal or lawyer-like, it is doing the biblical command to do such. If one warns the body of Christ concerning falkse teachers/teachings one is doing what the scriptures say to do. All that remains is for Charismatics/WOF-ers to reject these false teachings by Hagin and co.

Saying and doing something in the name of the Lord does not make one righteous. Do you not understand this? Jesus Christ said that "many will say in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not do many wonderful works in thy name... and Jesus said He would say unto them: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

What matters more than anything is truth. That which is not biblical and is taught as such is a lie. If what someone teaches is not the truth, it is to be rejected, and they are to be rejected if they continue to preach these lies, especially those who teach damnable lies in the name of the Lord.

I am not studying his unrighteousness as you say. I am showing that he taught numerous falsehoods, and he is to be rejected as a false teacher. Period. We should not follow the teachings of a blasphemer.

I agree with exposing false teachings, false teachers and false churches. Gal. 1:8-9 is quite clear on what to do about false teachers. I was in a false doctrine for 12 years until I saw the light and I have zero tolerance for any false doctrine.

As for three of these man I never did care for their ministries, mayby this is why? Now I will do some research for myself and see.

Thanks for the post...

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[Normann]

Teachers and preachers nowadays really need to get back to the Word of God.

Wow, I thought for a while I was the only one to see this. Thanks for the post, now I don't feel so lonesome.

So maybe I have overstated but I was so glad to see this post. Some time back I quit a church because I was starving for the meat of the Word. I had talked with the pastor about deeper teachings but he said the people were not ready for it, yet several there had been Christians longer then he'd been born! He said no, the people need watered down milk, not meat. In other words (water down the word of God)?

In short, I left and then the others too. I now travel out of town every Sunday to get "BACK TO THE BIBLE" teaching.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[psalms 91]

ProAmerican..

You know, if even JUST ONCE on this forum you were to actually start a thread (or even make a post) that wasn't an accusation/attack on someone you would probably have much more credibility than you do.

Scripture says that Satan is 'the accuser of the brethren'. Now, while your intent may be good-- the fact that you have only shown yourself as an accuser, never as one who builds up, encourages, edifies, or even just fellowships with other believers here, it really makes you come across as being on the 'wrong side of the fence', so to speak.

Just something to consider...

amen brother and as for giving scripture i suggest you fully read his teachings and search the Word for yourself or are you lazy where the word is concerned. i agree with Father Rick entirely and i will pray for you. blessings

 

[Joy]

I totally agree with Father Rick.
The Supreme Council has evaluated this thread and has rated it on the low end of Positivability and Agreeability, and on the very high end of Negativilation. Therefore our church decides to distance itself from the OP of this thread. If Kenneth Hagin is responsible for bringing many souls to Christ, we would Agreeably forgive and ignore his faults, as Jesus Christ, as He died on the Cross of Calvary, forgave and chose to ignore our faults.

Amen

 

[ProAmerican]

ProAmerican..

You know, if even JUST ONCE on this forum you were to actually start a thread (or even make a post) that wasn't an accusation/attack on someone you would probably have much more credibility than you do.

Scripture says that Satan is 'the accuser of the brethren'. Now, while your intent may be good-- the fact that you have only shown yourself as an accuser, never as one who builds up, encourages, edifies, or even just fellowships with other believers here, it really makes you come across as being on the 'wrong side of the fence', so to speak.

Just something to consider...

I could care less about credibility in the eyes of man. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death."

If our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, along with John the Baptist, Isaiah, Jeramiah, Ezekiel, Samuel and many others throughout the Bible went on popularity polls, the Lord could not have used them. I.E. Jeremiah ended up spending time in a mud-filled cistern for telling it like it is.

Furthermore, as Jim M said on another thread, "One of the marks of a self-righteous person is that they cannot see their own hypocrisy. By their twisted logic, it is wrong to judge religious frauds, but it is perfectly fine to judge their critics."

You apparently fall into that category. You say nothing about the damnable lies that Hagin, Copeland, Crouch, Hinn and others have taught. Yet, you apparently will accuse me of being an accuser.

I do what I feel the Lord wants me to do. I am not accountable unto you. I am accountable unto the Lord and His Word. I will not face you on judgement day. His word says that we are to warn the body of Christ concerning false teachers and their teachings, and I feel that on here for the time being that that is what I need to do, and I will do that to the best of my ability.

All the while you sit back while individuals trash the church with their damnable heresies and then have the gall to call me an accuser of the brethren? It seems that you have your priorities seriously misplaced. It seems that you would rather try and silence those who would speak out against these damnable heresies, than speak out agaisnt the heresies as the Bible commands us to.

Like I have said to you before, if you were alive during the time of the first century church I seriously doubt that the early church fathers could have counted on you when they were defending the faith against the Gnostic heresies. What we see today circulating within WOF/Charismatic churches are, once again, what could be considered neo-Gnostic teachings, I.E. 'Christians are little gods, 'Jesus was born-again in hell' & 'We are as much an incaranation as Jesus of Nazareth'

Once again, I give you the chance to defend true doctrine, please don't blow it for the ump-teenth time.

Ken Hagin: "Spiritual death means something more than seperation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan's nature...Jesus tasted death--spiritual death --for every man."

http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html

additionally: "Spiritual death means also having Satan's nature" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p.31)

Jesus Christ never tasted Satan's nature & He never had Satan's nature. Thses are blasphemous teachings.

Surely you realize these things? I guess that we shall see.....

BTW, who made you the keeper of credibility? LOL.

This is all that I have to say on this particular thread, for what I say to you, I say to others as well, and I imagine they know who they are.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Ahhh
This is a good one for our list....
17. "Stop judging me about judging others!"
A twist on the "stop judging me" game... except in this case the judged turns the table on the judge and judges them in return. Similar but of significant difference so as to be considered separate. I should not have to say this, but:
"Stop judging me about creating this list!"

See the ever expanding list:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=17949143&postcount=1

 

[Christina M]

I do what I feel the Lord wants me to do.

Keyword: FEEL

feelings are subjective

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I do what I feel the Lord wants me to do.

Keyword: FEEL

feelings are subjective

I would try some bromo... or the pink stuff is good too.

 

[swifteagle]

I could care less about credibility in the eyes of man. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death."

If our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, along with John the Baptist, Isaiah, Jeramiah, Ezekiel, Samuel and many others throughout the Bible went on popularity polls, the Lord could not have used them. I.E. Jeremiah ended up spending time in a mud-filled cistern for telling it like it is.

Furthermore, as Jim M said on another thread, "One of the marks of a self-righteous person is that they cannot see their own hypocrisy. By their twisted logic, it is wrong to judge religious frauds, but it is perfectly fine to judge their critics."

You apparently fall into that category. You say nothing about the damnable lies that Hagin, Copeland, Crouch, Hinn and others have taught. Yet, you apparently will accuse me of being an accuser.

I do what I feel the Lord wants me to do. I am not accountable unto you. I am accountable unto the Lord and His Word. I will not face you on judgement day. His word says that we are to warn the body of Christ concerning false teachers and their teachings, and I feel that on here for the time being that that is what I need to do, and I will do that to the best of my ability.

All the while you sit back while individuals trash the church with their damnable heresies and then have the gall to call me an accuser of the brethren? It seems that you have your priorities seriously misplaced. It seems that you would rather try and silence those who would speak out against these damnable heresies, than speak out agaisnt the heresies as the Bible commands us to.

Like I have said to you before, if you were alive during the time of the first century church I seriously doubt that the early church fathers could have counted on you when they were defending the faith against the Gnostic heresies. What we see today circulating within WOF/Charismatic churches are, once again, what could be considered neo-Gnostic teachings, I.E. 'Christians are little gods, 'Jesus was born-again in hell' & 'We are as much an incaranation as Jesus of Nazareth'

Once again, I give you the chance to defend true doctrine, please don't blow it for the ump-teenth time.

Ken Hagin: "Spiritual death means something more than seperation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan's nature...Jesus tasted death--spiritual death --for every man."

http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html

additionally: "Spiritual death means also having Satan's nature" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p.31)

Jesus Christ never tasted Satan's nature & He never had Satan's nature. Thses are blasphemous teachings.

Surely you realize these things? I guess that we shall see.....

BTW, who made you the keeper of credibility? LOL.

This is all that I have to say on this particular thread, for what I say to you, I say to others as well, and I imagine they know who they are.

I will no longer be reading any threads that you post!

 

[Mikecpking]

I just stumbled on this thread. Shame it has gone a bit personal. I too find the whole thing with the WOF highly suspect when it comes to its theology and stance. Are there any threads going right now where one can debate the whole WOF subject?

 

[KleinerApfel]

Soon be that time again...

 

[SoaringEagle]

would it be so heretical to say that the humanity side of Jesus suffered in Hell? That His human spirit died, yet He was still God? There isn't any conclusive evidence that Jesus suffered in hell, but there isn't any conclusive evidence totally refutting and silencing this teaching either.

 

[Father Rick]

I could care less about credibility in the eyes of man. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is death."

If our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, along with John the Baptist, Isaiah, Jeramiah, Ezekiel, Samuel and many others throughout the Bible went on popularity polls, the Lord could not have used them. I.E. Jeremiah ended up spending time in a mud-filled cistern for telling it like it is.

Furthermore, as Jim M said on another thread, "One of the marks of a self-righteous person is that they cannot see their own hypocrisy. By their twisted logic, it is wrong to judge religious frauds, but it is perfectly fine to judge their critics."

You apparently fall into that category. You say nothing about the damnable lies that Hagin, Copeland, Crouch, Hinn and others have taught. Yet, you apparently will accuse me of being an accuser.

I do what I feel the Lord wants me to do. I am not accountable unto you. I am accountable unto the Lord and His Word. I will not face you on judgement day. His word says that we are to warn the body of Christ concerning false teachers and their teachings, and I feel that on here for the time being that that is what I need to do, and I will do that to the best of my ability.

All the while you sit back while individuals trash the church with their damnable heresies and then have the gall to call me an accuser of the brethren? It seems that you have your priorities seriously misplaced. It seems that you would rather try and silence those who would speak out against these damnable heresies, than speak out agaisnt the heresies as the Bible commands us to.

Like I have said to you before, if you were alive during the time of the first century church I seriously doubt that the early church fathers could have counted on you when they were defending the faith against the Gnostic heresies. What we see today circulating within WOF/Charismatic churches are, once again, what could be considered neo-Gnostic teachings, I.E. 'Christians are little gods, 'Jesus was born-again in hell' & 'We are as much an incaranation as Jesus of Nazareth'

Once again, I give you the chance to defend true doctrine, please don't blow it for the ump-teenth time.

Ken Hagin: "Spiritual death means something more than seperation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan's nature...Jesus tasted death--spiritual death --for every man."

http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html

additionally: "Spiritual death means also having Satan's nature" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p.31)

Jesus Christ never tasted Satan's nature & He never had Satan's nature. Thses are blasphemous teachings.

Surely you realize these things? I guess that we shall see.....

BTW, who made you the keeper of credibility? LOL.

This is all that I have to say on this particular thread, for what I say to you, I say to others as well, and I imagine they know who they are.

Unfortunately, the tone of this post proves my point exactly...

 

[janny108]

Will you please go on the record as rejecting these teachings of Hagin, or will your silence on them show that you agree with them?

Yes, many in the past wanted Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist, James, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and etc, etc... to go away when they showed others the falseness of things they had been taught and believed in.

It amazes me that just because Hagin is beloved by many Charismatics that they remain silent when he is shown to be a false teacher, and has taught damnable lies.

It seems, perhaps, that they love their Charismaticism/WOFism more than they love the truth.

Perhaps you are in that group as well?

I think there can be folks in that category that they love their denomination more than the truth. Excellent post.
Jan

 

[heron]

If we can protect each other from false teachings when we hear them, then we will not need to warn each others of false teachers when they've gone too far. The teacher should not be untouchable. Their words should always be screen through our discernment, prayer, and scripture study. A teacher has a high accountability for every word they claim as truth...we can bear this burden a bit by catching errors as they come up....picking the lint off their collars.

 

[victoryword]

I believe that this post can be easily refuted with FACTS!!!

Kenneth Hagin stated that he received his teachings form Jesus Christ. Hence he must have received them from 'revelation knowledge.'


1.) "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth" (Kenneth Hagin, "The Incarnation," The Word of Faith 13, December, 1980).

False. Jesus Christ is the only Incarnation of God. The Only begotten Son of God.

2.) "You are as much the Incarnation of God as Jesus Christ of Nazareth...the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." (Kenneth Hagin, "The Word of Faith" Dec. 1980, p.14)

This is Blasphemy. The believer is not as much the incarnation of God as was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Jesus Christ is the only Incarnation of God.

Here the problem is the RELIGIOUS and THEOLOGICAL meanings attached to the word incarnation. The basic meaning of the word is simply a hypostatical union of God and man. When applied to Jesus it is God taking on human attributes. When applied to man, it is sinful man recieving the life of God within Him the moment he/she has accepted Christ as personal Savior. This is called the new birth (John 3:3-5), born of God (1 John), and becoming a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).

When Hagin uses the phrase, it is in reference to God coming into man (who was at one time separated from God and was spiritually dead - Eph. 2:1-5) and now having the life of God infused into his own spirit, as the title of the book Zoe: The God-Kind of Life implies.. This is the book in which the misquote is being lifted from.

Poor choice of words on Hagin's part? Perhaps. HJagin was simply attempting to express the idea that the apostle John expressed when he wrote, "... because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17). Anyone who reads the epistle of John will see that he was placing great emphasis on the message of love and the new birth. If this were an article I was writing I would take the time to cite more references.

But let me add this. Jesus is the Son of God. We have been made sons of God. Do you know that in the Greek the phrase is not different when applied to Jesus or ourselves? That's enough to blow the religious mindset right there. Do you also know Jesus is called the firstborn from the dead? Do you know that we are so identified with Jesus that we are also called the firstborn? Read Hebrews 12:23 and compare to Romans 8:29 and Colossians 1:18.

This is Hagin basic message in the Zoe book: Union in Christ. He was not teaching some evolution to Godhood or being incarnated into Jesus Himself with equal godlike abilities and attributes. Hagin was teaching about the new birth and the surpassing greatness of it. He attempted to describe this new birth in vivid language to catch the imagination of his readers and help them realize that it was something more than a ticket to Heaven: It is the very life of God being imparted to the human spirit.

A. J. Gordon, the famed Baptist preacher of the late 19th century wrote something so earth-shakingly similar:

But now God comes with the veritable promise that they shall, through faith, be made god-like, sharers of His nature and conformed to His image. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life," is the promise of the gospel. And this means not simply that our natural life shall be prolonged into endless duration; but that we shall be endowed with a supernatural life; that God's own immortal nature and being shall be communicated to us through regeneration. (from his book, Partakers of His Divine Nature)




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3.) "His spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can't you see that? Physical death wouldn't remove your sins. He's tasted death for every man. He's talking about tasting spiritual death. Jesus is the first person that was ever born again. Why did His spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God." ( Kenneth Hagin, "How Jesus obtained His name" (Kenneth Hagin Ministries, audio tape #44-H01)

While I am not big on the "Jesus went to hell for your sins" teachings, I can show you that Thomas Acquinas, Martin Luther and John Calvin (who I personally believe was a false teacher but many accept him as orthodox) taught this exact same doctrine.

"So what?!" One might ask. Let's just say that if we are going to condemn the faith teachers and those who adhere to their teachings then should we not equally condemn the protestants - or at the least, all Lutherans and Calvinists? It would be fair. I say then that we should reject all doctrine that came out of the reformation, including the grand old "Justification by faith" teachings. Place Hagin on the stake for burning if you wish but please place Luther, Aquinas, and Calvin next to him - that is if you are really attempting to rid the church of false teaching.

The Word of God says explicitely and undeniably that Christ's death on the cross paid for our sins. Nothing more was needed beyond that.

Jesus Christ was never born again in hell. Hagin taught this, as did Copeland, Keith Butler and Creflo Dollar.

http://www.myfortress.org/DidJesusPayForOurSinsInHell.html

Ah, Mr. ProAmerican, the Bible does NOT limit the redemptive work of Christ to the cross alone. The Bible also teaches us that the RESSURECTION and ASCENSION of Christ paid a vital part in obtaing our eternal redemption. I will cite just a few of many passages of Scripture:

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. (Rom. 4:24, 25)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Rom. 10:9-10)

Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with his own blood he went into the Holy of Holies once for all and secured our eternal redemption ... For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (Heb. 9:12, 24; International Standard Version)


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So ProAmerican, for you to limit Christ's redemptive work to the cross when Scripture includes His ressurection and ascension in this means that you are promoting a false doctrine my friend. This makes YOU a false teacher. But I digress. Let us continue dealing with your accusations against Hagin and the faith teachers.

4.) "man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority...He made us the same class of being that He is Himself. He lived on terms equal with God...The believer is called Christ, that's who we are; we're Christ"[/b] (Kenneth Hagin, Zoe: The God Kind of Life, pp.35-36, 41).

We are not the same class of being that He Himself is. We were created in His image. Nothing more. That teaching is false, blasphemous and Gnostic in origin.

Here are some Hagin quotes from the same book that his critics often fail to quote when harping on the "equality" statement:

In the New birth, we are brought into vital union with Jesus Christ. All that most people think they have in the new birth is forgiveness of sins. They don't know about being in union with God. (Emphasis mine)
Friends, we are sons of God. We are children of God. We are born of God. We are in union with God (Italics are Hagin's)

Christ is the Head; we are the Body. We are one with Christ, joined with Him in a living union. (The Name of Jesus)


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Understanding this “equality” as a result of our union helps us to better grasp what faith teachers are saying. They are certainly not saying that you and I are equal to God in His power attributes (omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence), nor are they implying that we are deities worthy of worship as God is. In their own language, they are addressing a fundamental Bible truth, which is our union in Christ.

Some discernment ministries have chided the late Kenneth E. Hagin for teaching that man was “created on terms of equality with God.” Yet, viewing his statement in context, we will see that Hagin does not fail to recognize man’s subordinate position to God. In a chapter ironically titled Ruling and Reigning in Union with God, Hagin writes:

We are accepted by God to reign as kings in life. We are no longer servants in the realm of spiritual death, but we have passed out of death, Satan's realm, into the realm of the heavenlies. Man was never made to be a slave. He was made to reign as king under God. He was made on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority. (Emphasis mine)
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Hagin further writes, “God made man His understudy. He made him king, to rule over everything that had life. Man was master. Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms of equality with God.” While Hagin uses the phrase “terms of equality with God,” he is never insinuating that man is equal with God in power, authority, or essence. Hagin recognizes man’s subordination when he uses such phrases as “king under God” and “God’s understudy.”

Man has never lived on terms of equality with God. What was he thinking when he wrote this?

Then there is no need to approach the throne of grace boldly (Heb. 4:15, 16) if we have no terms of equality with Him. The phrase does not mean that I am equal with God in authority and attributes. It simply means that I am able to approach him without a sense of inferiority. Hagin explains this in the very book that you misquote. If I must approach God with an inferior attitude then I cannot approach with boldness because the two are in contrast to each other.

The believer is not Christ. We are not Christ! This teaching is false and blasphemous as well.

Then that means that you are not a part of the body. My body is a part of me. My finger is me. My toe is me. I am in the body of Christ. This is what Hagin meant and he explained it in the book but you lifted one quote out of context and even neglected to provide the very passage of Scripture that he was citing (2 Cor. 6:15)

It is time for Charasmatics/WOF-ers to realize the error of these revelation knowledge teachings of Kenneth Hagin. There are many more errors of his beyond these as well.

I think it's time that witch hunters/heresy hunter realize that some of us have done our own research and have found the heresy chasing group to lack integrity and find them to be quite untrustworthy. Oh, you will still get a following but it will be only by those who already have a hatred for the faith teachers or those to lazy to find out the truth for themselves.

Here are some additional things to consider

"Spiritual death means something more than seperation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan's nature...Jesus tasted death--spiritual death--for every man."

http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html

additionally: "Spiritual death means having Satan's nature." (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p.31)

Blasphemous teaching. Jesus never tasted Satan's nature. Jesus never had Satan's nature.

Here are some Rebuttals to consider:

If you would like to read the other side of this HH vs. WoF debate then I suggest visiting my web page:

http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com

God bless those who REALLY want the FACTS!!!

 

[Christina M]

WONDERFUL, BLESSED response, Victoryword (as always). You present the well-adjusted and informed knowledge.


Thank you for this!

 

[victoryword]

WONDERFUL, BLESSED response, Victoryword (as always). You present the well-adjusted and informed knowledge.


Thank you for this!

You're welcomed M'Lady

 

[ShaunJ]

Victory that was just awesome.

God bless you for taking the time to show the truth of what heresy hunters are doing.