False Doctines

[Full_Moon]

There is a positive side of False teachings when Paul said in these verses: Philippians 1:17-18 (New International Version) The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Is teaching a false Christ teaching Christ? Surely many give sound doctrines from an unsound heart, surely many say "Christ is Lord" for their own gain...

But those who preach Christ as say... not being the Lord, then are those false teachers really preaching Christ?

I have difficulty believing that scripture as speaking of false doctrines... perhaps I am mistaken.





One more note about these pictures of false preachers. It seems typical of mankind to judge based on outward appearances. Fortunately God doesn't judge us this way, but judges our hearts.

I don't know why exactly those people are deemed as false preachers, but if it has to do with what they look like, or the fact that they wear a rollex......

What is wrong with having a rollex again? Do the profits of that company fund Satan or something???? I should send that fellow $100 and tell him to buy himself a nice lunch and to not worry about people judging him and saying he doesn't deserve money just because he preaches.

It would suck to be a wealthy preacher... all the ignorant peasants, who never give anything to charity themselves, maybe their 10%.. judging someone who obviously gives a lot. Then again, perhaps he is a crooked theif.. but I don't know that I should judge, especially based on outward appearances.

If anyone can prove any of those 3 false preachers, by all means, do it!

 

[Normann]

I was in a false doctrine for 12 years. The most important part of their sermon was that they were the only ones going to heaven. No other group on earth was telling the truth.

As I have studied the basics of major cults and false doctrines I find a common teaching among them. I have listed them here in no special order of importance.

* Ours is the only true church...
* Works are necessary for salvation...
* Christ Jesus was not the Son of God...
* The Bible alone will not show you the truth, you need our book also...

There are other signs of false teaching but these are among the first that should send you a warning.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

 

[nephilimiyr]

A few examples:

I know about Hinn and Robertson but what do you have against Hagen? I've never heard him preach before but have heard of him but never in a negative way.

 

[vanshan]

* Ours is the only true church...
* Works are necessary for salvation...
* Christ Jesus was not the Son of God...
* The Bible alone will not show you the truth, you need our book also...

This list is good, but to it I would add:

• Someone who pitches a cheap, easy view of salvation, claiming one prayer is all it takes and you're in. Jesus warned that the path is narrow, so anyone who claims it's easy is a false prophet.
• Those who misuse the name of Jesus as a magical word to get stuff or teach that faith is a force that can be tapped into and manipulated to get things you want.
• Those who place their own private interpretation of scripture above what has been believed throughout the ages, believing they have some new revelation or arrogantly believe they have superior knowledge of the truth, even though their belief departs from everything that Christ established and has been believed from the beginning.

Basil

Also, clearly there was a single united Body at one time, regardless of some schisms led by false teachers. This one body was the one true Church, so even if you don't believe it remains in tact today, I think we should all be humble enough to leave that possibility open, knowing that Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail over His Church.

 

[vanshan]

I know about Hinn and Robertson but what do you have against Hagen? I've never heard him preach before but have heard of him but never in a negative way.

Kenneth Hagin taught (he is passed away) that faith is a force that transcends God. He claims it was by this force that God created the world, and even says if we can tap into this force we can use this same power, becoming little gods. He teaches that our tongues can be instruments of creative power, citing the example of how God spoke the world into existence.
He taught the false health and wealth gospel, stating we can use this tool of faith to get wealth, and everything our heart desires.

This is, clearly, almost the opposite of what Christ taught. It goes against everything Christians have believed and elevates faith to a superior postion above God. It's false.

Basil

 

[vincejohn]

Look at your ministers who teach the commandments are gone and dead. They are false teachers but then they tell you to pay tithes when they are not Levitical priests.
''the dragon pursued the church who keeps the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus'' Rev 17.12

 

[nephilimiyr]

Kenneth Hagin taught (he is passed away) that faith is a force that transcends God. He claims it was by this force that God created the world, and even says if we can tap into this force we can use this same power, becoming little gods. He teaches that our tongues can be instruments of creative power, citing the example of how God spoke the world into existence.
He taught the false health and wealth gospel, stating we can use this tool of faith to get wealth, and everything our heart desires.

This is, clearly, almost the opposite of what Christ taught. It goes against everything Christians have believed and elevates faith to a superior postion above God. It's false.

Basil

Ok but now I see how you have confused me. The picture of the guy wareing the cowboy hat is not Kenneth Hagin but Kenneth Copeland. You may be right about Kenneth Hagin as he is into word of faith type stuff.

You know, it's not too wise to be pasteing peoples photos around the internet and bad mouthing them while all the while you haven't a clue to what you are doing.

I wasn't sure of the mans name so I googled it and came up with these two. Everything I have heard about Kenneth Copeland has been good, this Kenneth Hagin dude I don't know of but did find a few websites on him. I didn't stick around to read any of them because when I noticed in the pictures on one of the sites the man wasn't the same you posted a picture of I stopped my search and went with Kenneth Copelend.

 

[woobadooba]

There are more false doctrines than one can count.

Yep

What does a false teacher look like?

If you look hard enough you will see that there's more than enough of them to go around here on CF.

 

[mlqurgw]

Ok but now I see how you have confused me. The picture of the guy wareing the cowboy hat is not Kenneth Hagin but Kenneth Copeland. You may be right about Kenneth Hagin as he is into word of faith type stuff.

You know, it's not too wise to be pasteing peoples photos around the internet and bad mouthing them while all the while you haven't a clue to what you are doing.

I wasn't sure of the mans name so I googled it and came up with these two. Everything I have heard about Kenneth Copeland has been good, this Kenneth Hagin dude I don't know of but did find a few websites on him. I didn't stick around to read any of them because when I noticed in the pictures on one of the sites the man wasn't the same you posted a picture of I stopped my search and went with Kenneth Copelend.

Copeland is more of the Oral Roberts variety. Very much like Jimmy Swaggert only without the adultery.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Copeland is more of the Oral Roberts variety. Very much like Jimmy Swaggert only without the adultery.

Then I'm sure Vanshan would still have a major problem with him.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Since when is Benny Hinn a false prophet??

He was recently elevated.

We are all teachers... and must watch our step.


Forgive me....

 

[eoe]

Kenneth Copeland:
False Prophecy and False teaching
More False teaching
More:

Relating a story about someone he knows "I know of a little dog that got saved (laughter from audience ) now don't argue to me about this, In Jasmin Alabama…He's now a pastor of a Church, I dunno his church may not know his dog got saved I dunno His son came in there and said daddy I want you to lay hands on this, he called this dog by name, I don't remember what the name of the dogs was. He said I need to lay hands on him he said why he said I got him save but I need baptized in the holy Ghost (laughter from the audience Copeland laughs as well)…you can laugh if you want to but that means something to God."

Copeland and "Little Gods". Heterodox teaching on deification that is similar to Mormonism

 

[vanshan]

Then I'm sure Vanshan would still have a major problem with him.

I'm a former charismatic, and even was a theology student at Oral Roberts University, so I think I know more than most about these word of faith/charismatic preachers. Kenneth Copeland maintains many of the same errors as Kenneth Hagin and others. He does teach many of the word of faith errors and errors of the prosperity gospel, which are the opposite of what Christ taught, even though they all misuse tons of verses to "prove" their beliefs.

Any student of history can find out fairly quickly that these teachings have sprung up in the past few decades and clearly didn't originate with Christ.

Basil

 

[Full_Moon]

I was in a false doctrine for 12 years. The most important part of their sermon was that they were the only ones going to heaven. No other group on earth was telling the truth.

As I have studied the basics of major cults and false doctrines I find a common teaching among them. I have listed them here in no special order of importance.

* Ours is the only true church...
* Works are necessary for salvation...
* Christ Jesus was not the Son of God...
* The Bible alone will not show you the truth, you need our book also...

There are other signs of false teaching but these are among the first that should send you a warning.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

Thanks for sharing that.

I've noticed it always seems to come down to Jesus Christ. There are religions basically identical to what Christ taught (Chinese orthodox buddhism for example, interestingly enough), but that the difference always lies in Jesus.

We all know the gospel. False doctrines I've heard: Jesus can lead you but not free you. Jesus was God and not man. Jesus was man who became God. Jesus was man and not God. Jesus was sometimes man, sometimes God. Jesus never died. Jesus died and never rose again. Jesus is a metaphor. ... ...

All these I've seen as variations. Any different gospel changes the meaning from day to night. Some say it doesn't matter, close enough etc... but this is the gospel we're talking about. Please forgive my saying, but I see dramatic differences in result from the smallest changes. Another good reason for scripture.

The verses "Any spirit which says Christ existed in the flesh is from God" "Any spirit which says Christ did not exist in the flesh is not from God"

I've realized that a good liar can twist the meaning of anything. It is indeed a spiritual gift to 'discern spirits'.


I'll add one more thing I've observed. A false gospel ALWAYS seems to end up putting ourselves in the place of God, or some peice of creation at the very least, which also for some reason always seems to promise that we will one day be God.

 

[Full_Moon]

I'm a former charismatic, and even was a theology student at Oral Roberts University, so I think I know more than most about these word of faith/charismatic preachers. Kenneth Copeland maintains many of the same errors as Kenneth Hagin and others. He does teach many of the word of faith errors and errors of the prosperity gospel, which are the opposite of what Christ taught, even though they all misuse tons of verses to "prove" their beliefs.

Any student of history can find out fairly quickly that these teachings have sprung up in the past few decades and clearly didn't originate with Christ.

Basil

Even the apostles were often rebuked for what they said. eg: How they wanted to be in high places in heaven. How they excluded others which were 'not one of us'.

If anyone here thinks they are right because Jesus does not regularily rebuke them: BE VERY WORRIED!!!!!!! Are you greater now than even the apostles?

 

[Jipsah]

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[CaliforniaJosiah]

On a serious note, since the OP is quite serious, how do we know if a person is a false teacher? What are the signs?

Well, yes, I think the OP is meant to be taken seriously, athough the author shares a possible fault of mine - biting off more than we can chew.

I address this in several steps, probably in this order:

1. Scripture. God does not contradict Himself (although tensions and mysteries ABOUND). If it's not in line with the Bible, I got a problem. And if it's something "new" I wonder: why did not choose not to tell us that in the Bible?"

2. Tradition. I look to the historic consensus of Christians, I subject this to the Bible, but the wisdom of Christians is considered above the teachings of an individual person or denomination.

3. Purpose. I tend to BEWARE of anyone who wants to be accepted unconditionally, unquestionably, without accountablity. Anyone who says, "But I just KNOW" I tend to assume doesn't. And is it, in any way, self-serving? "The LORD told me to build a $20 million shrine unto myself - and you are all to send in $1,000 each." Okay...


I tend to be pretty skeptical (a common Protestant fault), and I DO struggle with that. I wonder if I had been alive in the First Century - as dedicated and conservative of a Jew as I am a Christian - and this carpenter from Nazareth was making all these claims - would I have believed Him? On the other hand, when I read the Gospels, I see that the Apostles were not gullible fools either -not at all embracing "blind" faith! The Bible says, "They tested, they heard, they saw with their own two eyes." And Jesus over and over and over (over 100 times to be exact) referred to the Scriptures - quoting them often and always as the Authority. And His purpose was to love, embrace, forgive (He got a Cross out of the deal). I think, like Thomas, I would end up very much one of His... Cuz I did.


MY $0.01...


Pax.


- Josiah


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[ScottBot]

A few examples:

You forgot Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen, Marilyn Hickey and dozens more. Good for starters though.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I just saw a infomercial this morning about "healing waters" I was half asleep....I do remember thinking "you've got to be kidding me" then they just kept asking for more money, testamonies about 'receiving money" after using this water, etc.....

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I just saw a infomercial this morning about "healing waters" I was half asleep....I do remember thinking "you've got to be kidding me" then they just kept asking for more money, testamonies about 'receiving money" after using this water, etc.....

When their mind is on "Show me the money!" It's easy to tell false teachers...

Measure them by their fruits... do they glorify themselves or Christ God?

Forgive me....