fallout from roe vs wade

jacks · Jun 24, 2022

The stock market is happy.

mama2one · Jun 24, 2022

bèlla said:
If you don't want a child that's an easy fix. It's up to the parties involved to choose it.

what easy fix?
can't read your mind

Skye1300 · Jun 25, 2022

mama2one said:
child we adopted from another country doesn't look like us

I agree about adoption, but I think more would adopt if they didn't make adoption so expensive and time consuming with a long waiting list like they do. They need to fix that system. I think that's why a lot of people adopt from outside of the country, because here there's a 10 year waiting list and it costs like more than $10,000. If people have to spend that kind of money, they would rather do IVF. The whole adoption system need to be reworked and made easier. They need to take away any age limits, like for older people too. They need to stop requiring that people be almost rich in order to adopt. There are lots of people who want to adopt but can't afford it. So I agree with you, I just think the whole system needs to be fixed. And now with abortion off the table, maybe they WILL fix the broken system.

Larniavc · Jun 25, 2022

mama2one said:
please don't say well they should know better/not have more kids cause it doesn't work that way

Lots of poor people are good for Christianity. It’s all part of the plan to get more people hooked on Jesus: if your life is rubbish you’re easier to recruit.

mama2one · Jun 25, 2022

Skye1300 said:
I agree about adoption, but I think more would adopt if they didn't make adoption so expensive and time consuming with a long waiting list like they do. ]

correct me if I'm wrong but don't think it's expensive to adopt from foster care
if one wants a younger child from foster care, one would need to do the foster-to-adopt program

we did an int'l adoption which is more expensive than adopting from foster care due to travel to country (travel/hotel expenses make up most of the cost)
however, an adoption tax credit refunded many costs

age? I know someone in their 60s who adopted a child with special needs...exceptions are often made

Larniavc · Jun 25, 2022

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
More than merely promoting adoption we should be trying to revive older standards of sexual conduct. Preferably ones wherein men and women feel some amount of shame and stigma for having children and sexual encounters outside of marriage.

I much prefer the current stigma and shame some Christians experience for some of their beliefs and attitudes.

Larniavc · Jun 25, 2022

d taylor said:
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So much for the sexual revolution all it did was produce unwanted kids that people just wanted to abort, what a great accomplishment.

I dunno, I had intercourse thousands of times and managed to only have one child.

With the right access to sexual health education and easy availability of contraception……. Oh wait.

mama2one · Jun 25, 2022

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
we should be trying to revive older standards of sexual conduct. Preferably ones wherein men and women feel some amount of shame and stigma for having children and sexual encounters outside of marriage.

good luck with that!
in our neighborhood alone, 2 parents had their unwed adult pregnant daughters move back home until they got their lives together

AND a local Pastor got his girlfriend pregnant
he had to give up being Pastor
they did marry before the baby arrived

if a Pastor can't set a good example, who can?

Larniavc · Jun 25, 2022

Desk trauma said:
That’s our vital supply of domestic infants the justice was concerned about maintaining.

Don’t forget cannon fodder for the next American special military operations.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jun 25, 2022

Larnievc said:
I much prefer the current stigma and shame some Christians experience for some of their beliefs and attitudes.

No doubt you do, as it reinforces your worldview. I much prefer actual sin be shamed and have a certain stigma rather than good standards and morals.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jun 25, 2022

mama2one said:
good luck with that!
in our neighborhood alone, 2 parents had their unwed adult pregnant daughters move back home until they got their lives together

AND a local Pastor got his girlfriend pregnant
he had to give up being Pastor
they did marry before the baby arrived

if a Pastor can't set a good example, who can?

I suppose I don't see the solution as to give into that culture and surrender to it. Might as well give up on Christianity at that point. Priests and clergy can be wrong as well, they should punished by being removed from ministry and barred from returning to it in such circumstances. The Pastor you mention at least took responsibility for his sin.

mama2one · Jun 25, 2022

Desk trauma · Jun 25, 2022

Larnievc said:
Don’t forget cannon fodder for the next American special military operations.

We will have to wait for that one of the justices to come out and say that.

mama2one · Jun 25, 2022

Skye1300 said:
if they didn't make adoption so expensive

there are adoption grants available

Adoption Grants - National Adoption Foundation

https://adoptiongrants.com/5-easy-adoption-grants-everyone-apply/

also, gofundme

the couple with the 60 + age husband had a friend set up a gofundme for them
I was shocked they asked for $40,000 which is more than the cost of adoption...they got the $40,000!

Desk trauma · Jun 25, 2022

mama2one said:
there are adoption grants available

Adoption Grants - National Adoption Foundation

https://adoptiongrants.com/5-easy-adoption-grants-everyone-apply/

also, gofundme

the couple with the 60 + age husband had a friend set up a gofundme for them
I was shocked they asked for $40,000 which is more than the cost of adoption...they got the $40,000!

Ah gofundme the magical answer to why we don’t need to have functional social programs.

Juan777 · Jun 25, 2022

BravoM said:
People who can't afford to take care of a child or another one shouldn't have them.
All of these "aid" programs cause more problems. They are supposed to be temporary and short-term but certain "people" have learned how to ride them for upwards of 10 years.
B/c of evil and ignorant people there is a high rate of unplanned pregnancies and people who simply "dump" them.
Adopting is costly and time consuming and there's still no guarantee. The system in this is broken.
God isn't some genie one can conjure b/c one "thinks" about adopting. The problem is the source of so many unwed people having unplanned children.

But you can be married and poor and have unplanned children too.

Juan777 · Jun 25, 2022

mama2one said:
there are adoption grants available

Adoption Grants - National Adoption Foundation

https://adoptiongrants.com/5-easy-adoption-grants-everyone-apply/

also, gofundme

the couple with the 60 + age husband had a friend set up a gofundme for them
I was shocked they asked for $40,000 which is more than the cost of adoption...they got the $40,000!

For every successful gofundme there are a dozen or more that are not meeting their targets. You just need to browse through gofundme pages and see there is a problem if you want to use it yourself.

Desk trauma · Jun 25, 2022

jacks said:
The stock market is happy.

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I’m sure there is some lovely analysis of the ruling going on among finance bros.

mama2one · Jun 25, 2022

Juan777 said:
For every successful gofundme there are a dozen or more that are not meeting their targets.

first of all, one can't just start a gofundme & leave it there

the couple spread the adoption news through FB, multiple blogs, as well as getting an article in newspaper....they put a link to one blog on an active forum

the blogs had gofundme link

BravoM · Jun 25, 2022

Juan777 said:
But you can be married and poor and have unplanned children too.

Yes. Abstinence is one of many choices for many to get out of stay poverty.

Find a job. ANY job is better than no job.
Don't lower standards and find a good man or woman respectively, get and STAY married.
Plan to have children. Controlling urges isn't hard.
Don't use credit unless you have to and only low interest, non-major corporation backed credit.
Do not have kids out of wedlock.

At a minimum, these must be adhered to.

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