Fake History

[Ken Rank]

Actually we know the truth because we have the Holy Spirit of God to guide us and lead us into the truth. I do not know apart from God how we could know truth. The system they have set up on our courts is by some people considered to be the worst way to arrive at the truth.

God is not the only spirit that can whisper in your ear which is why God says to A. Prove all things and B. get multiple witnesses. On top of that, 2 Cor. 1:22 and 5:5 are clear in that you only have a "deposit" in the form of the Spirit today... a deposit toward more to come.

 

[Deadworm]

As has been said, history has been written by the winners. The truth, as told by the losers and socially marginalized, gets short shrift. In the 1970s I heard about the CIA's support of rebel factions to oust Marxist Peruvian leader Salvador Allende, support that led to his assassination. Then a few years ago during a Hawaiian vacation, I met a Peruvian priest who lived through that period and expressed his admiration for Allende's selfless devotion to the needs of the poor in Peru. Because this priest supported Allende, the CIA threatened this and ransacked his offices in search of incriminating evidence against him.

I always assumed that our efforts to overthrow the Communist Sandanistas in Nicaragua were honorable and ethical, until I met an special ops retiree who told me how guilty he felt for inadvertently massacring women and children, as well as Russian advisors, in that country.

In the case of early Christian history, the winners are men who want to enforce patriarchal cultural values to control women. To discover this, one must look to archaeology and inscriptional evidence which shockingly exposes us to female leaders in both Christianity and Judaism in the early Christian era. Then one must look for clues in the NT that point to the suppressed evidence of female leadership and the reasons and process by which it got covered up.

Another example is the Communist paranoia for central American and our opposition to the Sandanistas in Nircaraugua.

 

[elliott95]

I know there is a lot of fake news out right now. I had a history teacher tell me once that most of the history they teach in the public school system is fake. Can anyone explain why we would have fake history and how to tell the difference between real history as we read it in the Bible and fake history that people use to promote for their own agenda.

Fake history is propaganda. It is history put together for a political aim.

People have leveled the claim that even the Bible is fake history, cobbled together from the varied writings of the disparate tribes of Canaan in order to forge a common identity.

The thing about propaganda though, is that it has no lasting interest. Politics are in constant flux, and as soon as one political crisis passes on into the next, the reason for the fake history becomes obsolete, and it is no longer relevant.
Obviously, that process does not describe the Bible, but it does describe the writings under Stalin, or of Goebbels.
History, if it is to be a science, must be able to pass the criticisms of being peer reviewed, and even this is effective if the field is represented with a wide variety of different interests and different points of view. People will always have their unique perspective to add to history, but if the agreed upon facts do not back that perspective up, then it cannot be said to be truly history.

 

[~Anastasia~]

In the case of early Christian history, the winners are men who want to enforce patriarchal cultural values to control women. To discover this, one must look to archaeology and inscriptional evidence which shockingly exposes us to female leaders in both Christianity and Judaism in the early Christian era. Then one must look for clues in the NT that point to the suppressed evidence of female leadership and the reasons and process by which it got covered up.

Not trying to be disagreeable, but are you sure it's the early Church? I think maybe it happened a bit later. There are women that we still today (and have always) regarded as equal to the Apostles, and female Saints that are respected above their male counterparts at times.

Christianity is a faith which gave dignity to women.

It's true that we (Orthodox, regarding early Christians) don't ordain women to the priesthood, but neither was that done in Judaism. Women can serve in any other capacity alongside men.

 

[Zoii]

The general rule is:
* Those in power own the truth
* Truth is a matter of perspective
* Historical truth may be edited
* All truth s have variations depending on the observers biases
* Those with the greatest access to public opinion have the greatest capacity to define history.
* Truth becomes stronger when it's written. Oral histories are more apt to being corrupted.

Take an example of the dropping of chemical weapons on Cambodia during the Vietnam war. The accounts by the USA differ starkly to that of Cambodia. So whats the true historical account?

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Ephesians 5:9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),
Proverbs 12:17 Whoever speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit
1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Psalms 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever

Verses were copy/pasted from an ESV on openbible.info, I normally use KJV but I was lazy.
My point being, to discern what is truth, one must know how to discern truth. Search for God's hand in matters. Search for his truth, his love, his righteousness in matters. It helps to remove bias before a comprehensive breakdown of history as well.
Point being, truth will always be truth. A lie, will always be a lie.
It helps to discern spiritual conditions in the matters as well. That will help enlighten you some. Also the Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth.
John 14:16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

 

[SteveIndy]

I know there is a lot of fake news out right now. I had a history teacher tell me once that most of the history they teach in the public school system is fake. Can anyone explain why we would have fake history and how to tell the difference between real history as we read it in the Bible and fake history that people use to promote for their own agenda.

Your history teacher was right. It is the History Book publishers who re-write history and present to readers the myth of our country and its founding because it is their job to sell books so they present the myth in all of its glory and only touch on, or completely overlook anything that tarnishes the lovely story of America. I have written (4) articles about the American Myth and have included the first in the series below. There are also some places in Scripture that are fabricated by men but for the most part, it has come down to us pure. The study of Church history is almost completely thrown aside. A study of the Ante-Nicene Fathers (i.e. before the council of Nice) is almost unheard of in the Church. But, a study of this period (1 AD-325AD) will reveal that the Church is so far from original Christianity, as delivered to us by Jesus, that our minds cannot comprehend what real Christianity should look like. Christ forewarned us of this "Light becoming dark and dark light," and also "Good becoming evil and evil good," but how would we know if don't read the history.

The Great American Myth: American History

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Nicaea or Nicea. I would ask where one would study resources from 1-325a.d.? I imagine it would mean 50-325 ; as the Council of Jerusalem in 50a.d. is scholarly accepted as having had been referred to in the book of Acts. and scriptures cover Jesus' life up to 33a.d. or whatever year is accepted for this chronological discussion. Are you referring to the results of the other 12 councils prior to the Nicene Creed?

 

[elliott95]

Your history teacher was right. It is the History Book publishers who re-write history and present to readers the myth of our country and its founding because it is their job to sell books so they present the myth in all of its glory and only touch on, or completely overlook anything that tarnishes the lovely story of America. I have written (4) articles about the American Myth and have included the first in the series below. There are also some places in Scripture that are fabricated by men but for the most part, it has come down to us pure. The study of Church history is almost completely thrown aside. A study of the Ante-Nicene Fathers (i.e. before the council of Nice) is almost unheard of in the Church. But, a study of this period (1 AD-325AD) will reveal that the Church is so far from original Christianity, as delivered to us by Jesus, that our minds cannot comprehend what real Christianity should look like. Christ forewarned us of this "Light becoming dark and dark light," and also "Good becoming evil and evil good," but how would we know if don't read the history.

The Great American Myth: American History

There is a great plethora of information on American history, and a lot of it goes against the "myth".

Case in point.^^^

 

[Albion]

Your history teacher was right. It is the History Book publishers who re-write history and present to readers the myth of our country and its founding because it is their job to sell books so they present the myth in all of its glory and only touch on, or completely overlook anything that tarnishes the lovely story of America.

That might have been true years ago, but more recently-published textbooks take pains to present to readers the myth that the history of the United States has been one that is shameful, exploitive, unjust, etc. To describe America as many older Americans were raised to believe her to be is now not politically correct.

 

[elliott95]

Not trying to be disagreeable, but are you sure it's the early Church? I think maybe it happened a bit later. There are women that we still today (and have always) regarded as equal to the Apostles, and female Saints that are respected above their male counterparts at times.

Christianity is a faith which gave dignity to women.

It's true that we (Orthodox, regarding early Christians) don't ordain women to the priesthood, but neither was that done in Judaism. Women can serve in any other capacity alongside men.

Women in Christianity have been the most stalwart keepers of the faith. The historical case in point would be the Iconoclast Controversy. All official channels banned the display of icons in the East through two centuries, in a clear breach of Christian custom. Yet, it mattered not.
The foundation of the faith was never in officialdom, but in the household, and this was the realm in which the women never stopped the display of icons in their household.
There are conflicting verses and customs involving women in the church, but from Mary to Mary Magdalene, to Thekla, the influence of women on the form that Christianity takes today is immeasurable.

 

[elliott95]

That might have been true years ago, but more recently-published textbooks take pains to present to readers the myth that the history of the United States has been one that is shameful, exploitive, unjust, etc. To describe America as many older Americans were raised to believe her to be is now not politically correct.

There is more than enough "fakeness" in this version of history too.

 

[Philip_B]

There are no doubt many versions of history, and most of are familiar with the idea that history is the propaganda of the victor. This comes from an era before that advent of media as an industry, public relations as a career path, and spin doctors as a real job. People recounted history as they understood it and believed it to be. On the current path seems to be to a premeditated effort to spin the story in such a way as to manipulate the way that the story is understood and responded to. Not simply as the accident of the perception of a standpoint, but as a thought out and deliberate strategy.

Sean Spicer (former White House Press Secretary) is an interesting person in the American Story of recent time and clearly he spun the story in a deliberate way. Sometimes he seemed to struggle as he presented alternative facts that no amount of spin could bring to credibility.

History, by its very nature, is subjective, yet has always sought to be objective. There seems to be a new determination to make history subjective abandoning the aim of objectivity. This is sad, in that truth is clearly a victim, and we are all left to second guess what reality might be.

 

[Devin P]

I know there is a lot of fake news out right now. I had a history teacher tell me once that most of the history they teach in the public school system is fake. Can anyone explain why we would have fake history and how to tell the difference between real history as we read it in the Bible and fake history that people use to promote for their own agenda.

Follow the yellow brick road.

Most history is fake, that's true. To tell the truth, you have to dive deeply. True history, aligns perfectly with the bible I'm finding. In the last 600 years especially, the history we have heard in school (whether it was the first thanksgiving, the creation of Israel, the holocaust, JFK, the federal reserve), is to pacify and dumb us down. It's quite literally like the matrix, because most people are so comfortable and willing to accept what's presented to them, that questioning it makes them uncomfortable. Whether it's the unknown, the thought that there are people out there plotting against us (even though the bible tells us there are as we speak), or the fact that most people will write you off as crazy for talking of some of the things they've done, it just turns most off. Most people are caught up in the system that the enemy has built, pacifying us, keeping us busy, while they work evil and set traps for us.

The reason the US is in debt, the reason for the great depression and the 2008 crash, why they needed to cause 9/11 to get into the middle east, why they are pushing gun control so strongly right now, Operation Northwoods, etc, etc, etc.

Who owns our society? Who owns all media companies? Who owns 85% of all the corporations and major labels and companies? Who, and where did they start? Why have all presidents aside from 1 shared the same exact same bloodline? Why do they hide so many archeological finds? Why is there pagan symbols everywhere all over the US (money, capitol buildings, major cities, etc.)

You're on the verge of the matrix. You can either use this questioning God has blessed you with, and research into all things, or you can forget about it, and go back to normal, ignoring all of the inconsistencies in history, and time. The blue pill, or the red pill.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Women in Christianity have been the most stalwart keepers of the faith. The historical case in point would be the Iconoclast Controversy. All official channels banned the display of icons in the East through two centuries, in a clear breach of Christian custom. Yet, it mattered not.
The foundation of the faith was never in officialdom, but in the household, and this was the realm in which the women never stopped the display of icons in their household.
There are conflicting verses and customs involving women in the church, but from Mary to Mary Magdalene, to Thekla, the influence of women on the form that Christianity takes today is immeasurable.

Absolutely.

In other cases when Christianity itself was outlawed, the women who kept it in secret at home and passed it down to their families were responsible for keeping Christianity alive in that place. Sometimes it has been the prayers and witness of mothers who have given us the great giants of the faith in their sons - their mothers deserve as much of the credit.

Ancient Christianity has recognized these things and I'm not aware of any subjugating of women in the east among Christians. To my understanding, the using of Christianity and the misapplication of some passages of Scrupture to support it is a later western phenomenon, and also not nearly so universal in the west as some would have us believe. I've read minor comments about general ethos among other kinds of literature over recent centuries that (while it wasn't their focus) shed light on their understanding of the situation, and it was NOT that women should be subjugated, according to Christian ethics.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Absolutely.

In other cases when Christianity itself was outlawed, the women who kept it in secret at home and passed it down to their families were responsible for keeping Christianity alive in that place. Sometimes it has been the prayers and witness of mothers who have given us the great giants of the faith in their sons - their mothers deserve as much of the credit.

Ancient Christianity has recognized these things and I'm not aware of any subjugating of women in the east among Christians. To my understanding, the using of Christianity and the misapplication of some passages of Scrupture to support it is a later western phenomenon, and also not nearly so universal in the west as some would have us believe. I've read minor comments about general ethos among other kinds of literature over recent centuries that (while it wasn't their focus) shed light on their understanding of the situation, and it was NOT that women should be subjugated, according to Christian ethics.

Back on topic, this leads to another answer for the OP. Clues can be gathered from unexpected sources. Such things as travel diaries, biographies, etc. that include the thoughts and impressions of the author as various elements of society are encountered, can demonstrate the author's cultural biases, values, etc, which can in turn illuminate their culture and times somewhat. It's not perfect, but when combined with other such evidence, helps paint a broad picture of what was going on and what people thought of it and why at that time. It helps to dig out the real truth. And is FAR less likely to be contrived, since the intention was so far removed from what we would actually be using it for.

 

[disciple1]

I know there is a lot of fake news out right now. I had a history teacher tell me once that most of the history they teach in the public school system is fake. Can anyone explain why we would have fake history and how to tell the difference between real history as we read it in the Bible and fake history that people use to promote for their own agenda.

Someone once told me, who ever wins the wars writes the history, that seems true.
But the bible is true regardless.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Follow the yellow brick road.

Most history is fake, that's true. To tell the truth, you have to dive deeply. True history, aligns perfectly with the bible I'm finding. In the last 600 years especially, the history we have heard in school (whether it was the first thanksgiving, the creation of Israel, the holocaust, JFK, the federal reserve), is to pacify and dumb us down. It's quite literally like the matrix, because most people are so comfortable and willing to accept what's presented to them, that questioning it makes them uncomfortable. Whether it's the unknown, the thought that there are people out there plotting against us (even though the bible tells us there are as we speak), or the fact that most people will write you off as crazy for talking of some of the things they've done, it just turns most off. Most people are caught up in the system that the enemy has built, pacifying us, keeping us busy, while they work evil and set traps for us.

The reason the US is in debt, the reason for the great depression and the 2008 crash, why they needed to cause 9/11 to get into the middle east, why they are pushing gun control so strongly right now, Operation Northwoods, etc, etc, etc.

Who owns our society? Who owns all media companies? Who owns 85% of all the corporations and major labels and companies? Who, and where did they start? Why have all presidents aside from 1 shared the same exact same bloodline? Why do they hide so many archeological finds? Why is there pagan symbols everywhere all over the US (money, capitol buildings, major cities, etc.)

You're on the verge of the matrix. You can either use this questioning God has blessed you with, and research into all things, or you can forget about it, and go back to normal, ignoring all of the inconsistencies in history, and time. The blue pill, or the red pill.

I have been reading the book The Paradigm. He equates Trump with Jehu in the Bible. Jehu was an improvement over Jezebel in that he did not support Baal worship. Meaning he did not support late term abortion and same sex marriage. Jehu was wholehearted in his battle against Baal worship. He was not so wholehearted in following God. "Jehu was not careful to keep the Law of the Lord, the God if Israel, with all of his heart" 2kings10:31

It has been 50 years now since JFK and now is the time to finally release the report and Trump has decided not to do that. The only thing they release was that Hoover said it was essential that the public believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

This pretty much substantiates what you are saying. It reminds me of the Passenger airplane that was shot down by the air force on 911. Sometimes we still hear the cover up story that tries to hide from the public what the government had to do that day.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Someone once told me, who ever wins the wars writes the history, that seems true. But the bible is true regardless.

The Bible is an exact type or pattern: a paradigm. People like to use non literal metaphors. So it is easy to see how they get confused by that.

Bishop Ussher book has over 12,000 footnotes of references to show that the Bible is accurate and true. Yet there are people that do not seem to want to accept that.

 

[Devin P]

I have been reading the book The Paradigm. He equates Trump with Jehu in the Bible. Jehu was an improvement over Jezebel in that he did not support Baal worship. Meaning he did not support late term abortion and same sex marriage. Jehu was wholehearted in his battle against Baal worship. He was not so wholehearted in following God. "Jehu was not careful to keep the Law of the Lord, the God if Israel, with all of his heart" 2kings10:31

It has been 50 years now since JFK and now is the time to finally release the report and Trump has decided not to do that. The only thing they release was that Hoover said it was essential that the public believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

This pretty much substantiates what you are saying. It reminds me of the Passenger airplane that was shot down by the air force on 911. Sometimes we still hear the cover up story that tries to hide from the public what the government had to do that day.

Eh, books are alright. I wouldn't spend too much time in that book simply because trump is a part of something bigger.

Also, did you look into the third tower that fell on 9/11?