Faith icon change...

[SaintGeorge]

Okay, I PMed that link in my profile to get the icon changed, but it doesn't seem to be working. Does anyone know a better or faster way?

 

[Michael G]

Geoffrey, are you sure this is what you want to do?

 

[Monica child of God 1]

Have you been chrismated? Since by your own admission you have been unsure of whether you belong in the RC or the OC why don't you wait untill you have made a real life commitment. If you really don't want to have the RC cross you can always use the black Christian cross.

M.

 

[Xpycoctomos]

SG, have you talked wiht your Eastern Catholic Spiritual Father about this? Since you've become Catholic it is no longer your right to decide on your own which Church you want to join. You have got to inform someone aobut this.

I'm concerned and honestly, I wish you would just stick with FR D. for at least another year.

John

 

[Michael G]

I am very concerned about this. I think you know why.

 

[Xpycoctomos]

Have you been chrismated? Since by your own admission you have been unsure of whether you belong in the RC or the OC why don't you wait untill you have made a real life commitment. If you really don't want to have the RC cross you can always use the black Christian cross.

M.

I thought he became Catholic (for real), baptised and everything into the Catholic Church.

SG, isn't this so. I'm not trying to badger you, I just want to be sure I am not assumming something that isn't true.

John

 

[Monica child of God 1]

From what I recall Esran/SG was received into the RCC, Latin Rite. Then he moved to one of the Eastern Rites.

In my post above I meant that he should be sure of wanting to make a committment to the OC. His commitment to the RCC is only a few short years old. This kind of spiritual instability isn't good IMHO.

M.

 

[Michael G]

From what I recall Esran/SG was received into the RCC, Latin Rite. Then he moved to one of the Eastern Rites.

In my post above I meant that he should be sure of wanting to make a committment to the OC. His commitment to the RCC is only a few short years old. This kind of spiritual instability isn't good IMHO.

M.

I agree with you. I have seen entirely too much indecision in him over the past 3 years. Stability is golden in spirituality and change should only come when absolutely necessary.

 

[Akathist]

SG,

One of the options you have is to hide your faith icon. This would happen right away. It is an option in your control panel.

As far as changing to the EO one, I personally feel someone should be already in the process of conversion... and nearly chrismated (or brought in by confession) before the change is made. But that is just my opinion.

 

[kamikat]

Over the last 6-12 months, we, as staff, and as a public board, have discussed the option of requiring the EO faith icon be limited to chrismated Church members only. Many catechumens, myself including, wore ( and still wear)the generic black Christian icon during their catechumenate. Once you have entered into the catechumenate and told us, we, as staff, will treat you as a valid member of TAW, even without the EO icon. On the other hand, if you take the EO icon, then later decide to return to Rome, we will be forced to remove that icon. It's easier on everybody to just take the generic icon until your chrismation date.

 

[eoe]

I can not believe what I am reading. This fellow wants to come out of schism and unite himself with Christ's Holy Church and you discourage him?

I agree that he does need stability but if he needs to speak with anyone at all it is an Eastern Orthodox Priest.

 

[icxn]

I think it was an encouragement disguised in discouragement, at least in some posts.

 

[ufonium2]

I can not believe what I am reading. This fellow wants to come out of schism and unite himself with Christ's Holy Church and you discourage him?
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Nobody's discouraging him from becoming Orthodox. But people are discouraging him from having an Orthodox faith icon before having made a real commitment to Orthodoxy. SG is the poster formerly known as Esran; I don't know if that means anything to you.

 

[Matrona]

I can not believe what I am reading. This fellow wants to come out of schism and unite himself with Christ's Holy Church and you discourage him?

I agree that he does need stability but if he needs to speak with anyone at all it is an Eastern Orthodox Priest.

Well, it's just that if he commits to Orthodoxy long enough to accept Holy Chrismation and then changes his mind, that's far more spiritually dangerous for him than if he had never been chrismated.

Although - sorry Xpycoctomos - I think encouraging him to go to a RC priest is beyond the pale and totally unacceptable. The Orthodox Church is the Church and all should be encouraged to flee to the Bride of Christ.

 

[eoe]

Although - sorry Xpycoctomos - I think encouraging him to go to a RC priest is beyond the pale and totally unacceptable. The Orthodox Church is the Church and all should be encouraged to flee to the Bride of Christ.

Exactly.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

I think most of us would rejoice to see Esran/SG come into the OC. But newer TAWers probably don't know that he inquired into Orthodoxy for quite a while then entered the RCC (a huge step of faith). Then there were lots of posts in OBOB that criticized the Orthodox Church and Orthodox people. Then there was the shift from Latin to Eastern rite. There is a whole history with lots of vacillating and pendulum swinging. It would be wonderful if he were sure before making another move.

And a black cross would allow him to explore with us and OBOBers without feeling that a decision has been made prematurely.

M.

 

[Prawnik]

"How many times shall I forgive my brother?"

 

[Xpycoctomos]

Oh just drop it guys. So many of us pretend to be aobut 2 times more pious than we are in real life. And we know it. But that's okay because TAW gives us a chance to live out our ideal and form a goal for ourselves. It's 15% make-believe but that's okay if it helps us with our goal and reminds us of how we should be. (I'm not being sarcastic year, I really do mean that doing such can perhaps serve a good purpose for us personally)

However, let's not forget that we are all real people. Do we honestly believe that our advice over the past few years in OBOB and TAW consisting of "It is dangerous to leave the Church" and "It is dangerous to leave the Pope" and "We are the true Churcha nd this book or site proves it" or "read these quotes.. what's OBOB/TAW gonna say to that?" has really helped Esran? Do you honestly believe his life is probably better off because of our "help" (I am equally convicting TAW and OBOB)? How long do we need to keep passing him back and forth like a ping pong before we realize that the only "help" we have been able to give him is confusion which has robbed him of his peace of mind. Do you honestly beleive that he is in grave peril in the Catholic Church. Step off it. If I sound annoyed it's because I am. Yeah, I'm on my soap box right now and I am telling everyone here that we are destructive to this young man. He needs to make a journey that consists fully of human interaction. Do you realize that Esran IS Catholic. Guys... he's Catholic. We should be rejoicing that he has settled somewhere Christian and not into some pit of despair where he has been MANY times before partly due to OUR "advice" that has just confused him.

Leave him alone. I cannot believe what I am hearing. Do we really think that he dies tomorrow in the Catholic Church he is any worse off than dying in complete despair and confusion but... oh, he has an ORthodox certificate of crismation. So, he's all good.

Think about what you are doing.

Esran, we cannot help you anymore. Some people here advise you to leave the Catholic Church and become Orthodox. I advise you simply to find some spiritual stability and seek guidance from your Catholic priest.... a real human being. Regardless of what WE think, though, you're going to do what you're going to do. All we can do is pray for you. So, really, in the end, the best advice I can give you is to leave this place which obviously in the longrun, despite some good times, has been bad for you. We have not helped you. And we cannot help you as much as we would all like to think of ourselves as your spiritual guide.

Esran, NONE of my p*ed off tone here is directed at you. WE are the ones that should be more mature to realize your unique struggles and our OWN limitations.

John

 

[Khaleas]

Oh just drop it guys. So many of us pretend to be aobut 2 times more pious than we are in real life. And we know it. But that's okay because TAW gives us a chance to live out our ideal and form a goal for ourselves. It's 15% make-believe but that's okay if it helps us with our goal and reminds us of how we should be.

However, let's not forget that we are all real people. Do we honestly believe that our advice over the past few years in OBOB and TAW consisting of "It is dangerous to leave the Church" and "It is dangerous to leave the Pope" and "We are the true Churcha nd this book or site proves it" or "read these quotes.. what's OBOB/TAW gonna say to that?" has really helped Esran? Do you honestly believe his life is probably better off because of our "help" (I am equally convicting TAW and OBOB)? How long do we need to keep passing him back and forth like a ping pong before we realize that the only "help" we have been able to give him is confusion which has robbed him of his peace of mind. Do you honestly beleive that he is in grave peril in the Catholic Church. Step off it. If I sound annoyed it's because I am. Yeah, I'm on my soap box right now and I am telling everyone here that we are destructive to this young man. He needs to make a journey that consists fully of human interaction. Do you realize that Esran IS Catholic. Guys... he's Catholic. We should be rejoicing that he has settled somewhere Christian and not into some pit of despair where he has been MANY times before partly due to OUR "advice" that has just confused him.

Leave him alone. I cannot believe what I am hearing. Do we really think that he dies tomorrow in the Catholic Church he is any worse off than dying in complete despair and confusion but... oh, he has an ORthodox certificate of crismation. So, he's all good.

Think about what you are doing.

Esran, we cannot help you anymore. Some people here advise you to leave the Catholic Church and become Orthodox. I advise you simply to find some spiritual stability and seek guidance from your Catholic priest.... a real human being. Regardless of what WE think, though, you're going to do what you're going to do. All we can do is pray for you. So, really, in the end, the best advice I can give you is to leave this place which obviously in the longrun, despite some good times, has been bad for you. We have not helped you. And we cannot help you as much as we would all like to think of ourselves as your spiritual guide.

Esran, NONE of my p*ed off tone here is directed at you. WE are the ones that should be more mature to realize your unique struggles and our OWN limitations.

John

And I have to agree with you!

We don't know eachother much at all here and who knows. Half of us might not even be Orthodox even if we claim to be... we just don't know. I mean just look at CF, we segregate ourselves in our own enclaves and under our own faith icon. So much for all that Christian unity stuff... we're not exactly taking any steps toward that...

*going back under my rock*




(ps. I don't really have a rock)

 

[Xpycoctomos]

And to this I just ahve to say that he has never been Orthodox to be able to "flee" the bride of Christ. The only thing he is "fleeing" is the ONLY apostolic Church he has EVER belonged to, the Catholic Church. That is the only TANGIBLE spiritual reality in his life right now.

John