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Failed Tyre Prophecy??

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clwinche

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Failed Tyre Prophecy


The following argument suggests that the Bible contains failed prophecies. Specifically, in this case, the book of Ezekiel contains failed prophecies. Does anyone have any rebuttals for the below arguments?

"Possibly the most pessimistic of the Old Testament prophets, Ezekiel proclaimed impending doom upon everyone from Judah itself to the enemy nations surrounding it. The failure of his prophecies to materialize as he predicted makes a compelling argument against the Bible inerrancy doctrine. In one of his doomsday prophecies, Egypt was to experience forty years of utter desolation:
Therefore, thus says Yahweh God: "Surely I will bring a sword upon you and cut off from you man and beast. And the land of Egypt shall become desolate and waste; then they will know that I am Yahweh, because he said, `The River is mine, and I have made it.' Indeed, therefore, I am against you and against your rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia . Neither foot of man shall pass through it nor foot of beast pass through it, and it shall be uninhabited forty years. I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate; and among the cities that are laid waste, her cities shall be desolate forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them through the countries" (29:8-14).

Talk about extravagant rhetoric! We certainly have it in this passage. No such desolation has ever happened to Egypt ; there never has been a time in recorded history when Egypt was not inhabited by man or beast for forty years, when its cities were laid waste and desolate, when its people were all dispersed to foreign lands, etc. Bible defenders, of course, resort quickly to figurative and future applications, but their strategy just won't work. Future fulfillments are excluded by patently clear references that Ezekiel made to contemporary characters who were to figure in the fulfillment: "Son of man, set your face against Pharaoh king of Egypt , and prophesy against him" (29:2). Although Egypt still survives as a nation, its rule by pharaohs ended long ago. Furthermore, Ezekiel identified Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, as the instrument Yahweh would use to bring about Egypt's desolation: "Therefore thus says Yahweh God: `Surely I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage, and that will be the wages for his army'" (29:19). Clearly, then, Ezekiel had in mind a contemporary fulfillment of this prediction. As for spiritual or figurative explanations of the prophecy, just what events in Egyptian history were so catastrophic in the days of Nebuchadnezzar and the pharaohs that they could justifiably be considered a figurative desolation of forty years? Unless bibliolaters can identify such a catastrophe, their figurative interpretations must be regarded as just more attempts to sweep aside another embarrassing prophecy failure.

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Ezekiel's tirade against Tyre continued through three chapters. His prediction was that the city's destruction would be complete and permanent: "The merchants among the peoples will hiss at you; you will become a horror, and be no more forever" (27:36). So sure was he of Tyre 's eternal destruction that he repeated it: "All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you: you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever" (28:19).

That this prophecy was never fulfilled can be verified with no more difficulty than a trip to the public library. Ezekiel prophesied that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy Tyre and that "you ( Tyre ) shall never be rebuilt" (26:14) and "shall be no more, though you are sought for, you will never be found again" (26:21). History, however, records the fact that Nebuchadnezzar not only didn't destroy Tyre , he didn't even capture it. The New Encyclopedia Britannica (Micropedia, Vol. 10, 1978) said this in reviewing the long history of Tyre :

... and in 585-573 (B.C.) it successfully withstood a prolonged siege by the Babylonian king Nebuchadrezzar II (p. 223).

In its summation of this same period of Tyrian history, The Encyclopedia Americana (Vol. 27, 1984) says:

The neo-Babylonian conqueror, Nebuchadnezzar II, subjected the island to a 13-year siege (585-572) without success (p. 331, emphasis added).
Nebuchadnezzar did capture the mainland suburb of Tyre , but he never succeeded in taking the island part, which was the seat of Tyrian grandeur. That being so, it could hardly be said that Nebuchadnezzar wreaked the total havoc on Tyre that Ezekiel vituperatively predicted in the passages cited."

In gratitude,

Chris :confused:
 
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clwinche said:
Talk about extravagant rhetoric! We certainly have it in this passage. No such desolation has ever happened to Egypt ; there never has been a time in recorded history when Egypt was not inhabited by man or beast for forty years, when its cities were laid waste and desolate, when its people were all dispersed to foreign lands, etc.

And...? Does everything have to be recorded to be true? If I scratched my head right now, no record was made of it, 50 years later the truth still is that I scratched my head, regardless of whether any document says so. Records are wonderful to show the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy, but lack of records does not show that the prophecy has failed. Only that the available information doesn't provide a conclusion.

Unfortunately, that's all I can say on the subject, but hopefully someone more educated in this area can stop by.
 
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Hello Breanainn,

And...? Does everything have to be recorded to be true? If I scratched my head right now, no record was made of it, 50 years later the truth still is that I scratched my head, regardless of whether any document says so. Records are wonderful to show the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy, but lack of records does not show that the prophecy has failed. Only that the available information doesn't provide a conclusion.



Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. You made some excellent points.



Unfortunately, that's all I can say on the subject, but hopefully someone more educated in this area can stop by.



Again, your comments were very helpful.

In gratitude,


Chris ;)
 
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Hello Vinsight4u,


I wrote to you clear information as to the future of Tyre in prophecy.



Where did you post it? Unfortunately, all I was able to find was: “…”. :confused:


I didn't hear back from you......


Again, unfortunately I never saw the information you posted, and I was waiting to see if anyone else was going to respond. However, I am hoping I will receive more responses concerning my inquiries as time goes on.

so I deleted the notes.


That's too bad. :(


March 28........Do you intend to be here to talk to now?


I sure do, and I am looking forward to having some interesting dialogues.

Kindest Regards,

Chris
 
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Hi Bulldog,



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Thank you very much for posting the link to J P Holding’s article dealing with Ezekiel’s Tyre prophecy. I found Holding’s insight helpful, but unfortunately, not convincing. Holding wrote that God was just “trash-talking” when He told Ezekiel Tyre would never be rebuilt. Why would God “trash-talk”? Is this belief scriptural? Ezekiel 26:14, and Ezekiel 26:21, clearly state that Tyre would be utterly destroyed, and would not be rebuilt. Any suggestions?

In gratitude,

Chris :)
 
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Hello, clwinche,

I have a few points to relay. One of them is Jonah in Ninevah. So says Jonah; "40 days, bye bye Ninevah." Period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. 40 days and still there was Ninevah. Jonah 3:10 "God saw thier works, that they turned away from thier evil way, and G-d repented of the evil He said He would do to them and did not do it". Made Jonah look like quite the chump I'm sure, but that's the way it happened.

In 2 Kings 20:1 Isaiah tells Hezekiah "Put your affairs in order, G-d tells me you are going to die". 2 Kings 20:2-3, Hezekiah turns his face to the wall and cries out to G-d, to have mercy on him. 2 Kings 20: 5-6, Isaiah returns to tell Hezekiah he is healed, G-d has heard his cries and that G-d has added 15 years to his life

If you recall the angels that came to Abraham before going to Sodom to trash it, Abraham "bargained" with G-d that if He found 50 good men, He would spare the cities...45...40...30...20...10. G-d agreed that if He found a mere TEN good souls in Sodom, He would spare it (of course He didn't & Sodom is no more). Regardless, Abraham was the 1st to "prove" that G-d's wrath CAN be turned away and that He can be "reasoned" with.

WE don't know what happened between G-d and the Tyrians. WE don't know what happened between the Egyptians and G-d. For all WE know, the words of Ezekiel were brought before the eyes of the leaders of those countries and the Word of G-d had the same effect upon them that it had upon the leader of Ninevah and Hezekiah; repentance and submission. G-d RESPONDS to those things and has proven through His Word that he will turn aside His wrath, when repentance and submission are present.

One final note...

Tyre still stands.
Egypt is still inhabited.
The clock still ticks.
It ain't over yet.

I can imagine the same sceptisism regarding the Messianic prophesies, and how they were "unfulfilled and therefore disproven"....in 1 B.C.

Just something to think about.

His humble servant,
T777
 
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Hi guys,


I appreciate everyone’s comments, but I am still perplexed by this failed Ezekiel prophecy; particularly verses 14 and 21.



I have included some information below, which I consider to be rather faith-shaking regarding the Bible’s validity in terms of prophecy.


To see pictures of modern-day Tyre:

http://www.kadado.com/album/tyre_pictures.htm


Location of Tyre: http://whc.unesco.org/sites/299.htm


Source of below article attacking The Tyre Prophecy (powerful rebuttals to apologetic arguments):
http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1999/2/992tyre.html

What are your thoughts regarding this information?

In gratitude,


Chris :confused:
 
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