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Fahrenheit 9/11

mnmcandiez

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Pseud said:
Two things: 1 - every thing in the movie was based on a fact. That fact was also presented to you.

2 - Is the movie biased? Yes. Is the Bush administration biased? Yes. Proof? The amount of factual information that was NOT presented to the general public regarding 9/11 and the war on Iraq. Stuff that Moore presents to you.

Conclusion - Don't follow blindly.
Well everthing is based on the negative facts just to make bush look bad. If you only provide the negative facts of course its gonna make the peson look horrible. Im sure you could do that to almost any one.
 
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mnmcandiez said:
Well everthing is based on the negative facts just to make bush look bad. If you only provide the negative facts of course its gonna make the peson look horrible. Im sure you could do that to almost any one.

Well everything the Bush administration have said is based on the postive facts just ot make bush look good. If you only provide the positive facts of course it's gonna make the person look great.

It's the exact opposite of what you're saying, and it's exactly how the Bush administration have worked.

My point was, everything in equilibrium. This balances it out, this provides us, the people, with ALL of the facts. The one's that the administration decided NOT to tell us about.
 
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PianoIsland said:
Start asking Charles Manson for his list of favorite movies so that you can ask for your money back on those, too.
I'm sorry this is no where near a valid comparison. Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, wants to use their funds to promote a movie that will get more Muslims riled up against America.
This is quite a bit different than a serial killer's list of favorite movies.
 
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PianoIsland said:
Unless you're in the armed forces and have actually seen combat, zip it and stop taking the credit of your fellow countrymen who actually did the fighting.
actually I was in the gulf, junior......
 
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key word... 'documentary'


sence its a DOCUMENTARY its true.

i just saw this moive and my thoughts are


...wow...i used to THINK i knew why i hated Bush...but know i KNOW why i hate bush.

words cannot discribe my anger

and to all of you who go see this movie, and dont belive it, thats just ignoriance and stupidity.

to all of you who dont see this movie and clown on michael moore- again...your ignorant and stupid


GO SEE THIS MOVIE...then GO VOTE FOR KERRY!!!!!!!!
 
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Patdoggydogg said:
key word... 'documentary'

sence its a DOCUMENTARY its true.
well...supposed to be true anyway.

Patdoggydogg said:
and to all of you who go see this movie, and dont belive it, thats just ignoriance and stupidity.

to all of you who dont see this movie and clown on michael moore- again...your ignorant and stupid
so...those who believe everything in a movie without questioning it are the smart ones? that sounds a bit silly. you are saying the ones who actually question what they read and watch are the stupid ones?

i thought liberals were all about tolerance, yet you claim everyone who dislikes michael moore is stupid. does anyone else see the irony?
 
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ps139 said:
I'm sorry this is no where near a valid comparison. Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, wants to use their funds to promote a movie that will get more Muslims riled up against America.
This is quite a bit different than a serial killer's list of favorite movies.
my friend, you are asking for the use of common sense in distinguishing one thing from the other, and that is asking too much.

dont you know? to a some people,
bush = a guy who wages unpopular wars = a guy in the past who killed Jews = hitler

a guy who drives an SUV= terrorist supporter

disney not wanting to distribute mooore's movie = censorship and oppression

saying that there is something fishy about a movie being funded by terrorists = condemning any movie supported by any criminals, past and present
 
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hmmmm...didn't work, well here's the verse...

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
I agree with this. The movie looks way liberal, and I tried to watch the other movie this guy did. I believe it was called Bowling for Columbine. I couldn't watch it - just very liberal, and I'm more in the middle.
 
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Someone asked why I say this.....I believe it to be true because he (MMoore) wouldn't be saying and doing the things he said if he did have a genuine fear and reverence of who our Almighty God is. He wouldn't fabricate a movie to lie to get people to hate Bush and clean American values, even more than many people already do. He wouldn't liken President Bush to Saddam Hussein (an evil dictator) who gassed his own people. He characteristically speaks against Christians and conservatives(aka the "religious right") as degrading society. His hate for President Bush (and America) is evidence of this. To paraphrase something MM recently said, he felt that the more liberal the country becomes the better off it will be. Basically, the further from God we go the better we will and can become. This is the spirit of anti-christ as spoken of in 1 John 2:22 and 4:3 -'Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. And...every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.'
President Bush has professed his faith in Jesus Christ and is attempting to appeal to Christians more than most presidents might. I am going to take the heat on this from the left, but Bush's support from Bible believing Christians and conservatives, is in itself,why I believe he is so despised today by pagans (aka non-believers).

You are over looking that U.S. war against Iraq was totally unprovoke and on a false premise. Also you are over looking that our actions regarding Iraq, and the middle east in general, are anathema to everything that Jesus said in Matthew 5, 6, and 7.
 
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Does it bother anyone that the Lebanese terrorist organization Hezbollah wants to support this movie and spread it in the Middle East???

I'm not the least bit bothered by it and consider this to be a very mindless and thoughtless stance. First of all, who agrees with the movie or supports it is no indication of the quality or the truthfulness of the movie.

Secondly, the main reason why most of these Terrorist organizations even exist is because they want the USA out of the middle East. They are likely to support anything that makes a strong case that the USA has no just involvement in the middle east.
 
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I'm sorry this is no where near a valid comparison. Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, wants to use their funds to promote a movie that will get more Muslims riled up against America.
This is quite a bit different than a serial killer's list of favorite movies.

Actually, no it's not. Michael Moore has no control over who supports his movies or for what reason. Secondly, you judge the movie for the movie itself, not on who likes it or dislikes it. Thirdly, if its being supported by terrorists, that should tell you that maybe the Bush administration is screwed up, not necessarily Michael Moore.

No offense intended by this is one of the most thoroughly ignorant things I've ever read in my life. It really bothers me that some can vote that is so lacking in critical thinking or rational judgement as youself.
 
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I think it's interesting how Saddam hates GW as does MMoore and those of the liberal anti-God persausion. Have yet to figure out which one hates him more.

The way you talk, I was under the impression that YOU are of the anti-God persuasion as you support a war that is anathema to everything that Jesus taught. You are definitely of the misanthrope persuasion.
 
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Acquired Tastes said:
Maybe Moore didn't exactly lie, but I'm sure he stretched the truth as far as he could.
Name one politician or president who doesn't do the same thing.

Like in Bowling for Columbine, Moore gave the impression Charlton Heston made his "cold, dead hands" speech in Denver right after the Columbine shootings, when the speech actually took place a year later in North Carolina. Moore doesn't come out and say the speech took place in Denver, but he sure makes it look like it did.

I for one am not going to waste my time or money on Moore's film.
Anybody who goes to a movie theatre expecting balanced political comment needs their head read as far as I'm concerned. Moore is a polemist who wants people to react. You have to know where he's going overboard and overstating his argument.
 
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