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Fahrenheit 9/11

Newmom123 said:
And respectfully, I am offended that your statement implies that those who support Moore's movie are probably not good Christians...
How did you imply this? There is no such thing as a "good" Christian. Only two choices.....Either a person is a sinner saved from the wrath to come under the shelter and mercy of the blood of Jesus Christ or is still "lost" as a sinner.
 
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Newmom123 said:
And I don't believe that by supporting this eye-opening movie is tearing down Christian values at all.
Based on statements MMoore has made, his philosophies are at enmity with God and opposed to God's righteousness. And before anyone is saved, we are all at enmity with God. (see Col 1:21)
It is our responsibility NOT to blindly accept injustice and wrongdoing.
dittos....without a standard of justice and righteousness anything goes. That why I believe it is important to keep God's Laws and Word as the only standard of measure for this. It never moves even when if we do and can show us how far short we have come to His holy standard. www.areyougood.us
 
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Diakonos said:
I didn't see one article that even hinted around that Moore made any good points(not even the second link that you said had "Pros and Cons". Maybe I just didn't see them).
That link, fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com , if you look at the right side of the page and scroll down long enough, it has links to sites that talk about the "facts" of the movie, both pro and con.
 
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desi said:
So was the movie balanced? Did they show images of dead Americans after the 911 attacks? Did they show Saddam's torture and rape rooms? Did they show the CNN footage of Kurd villages decimated by Saddam's chemical weapons? Was it fair and balanced, or was it a dog and pony show?
"Fair and balanced" is the slogan for Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine. Moore doesn't pretend to show all sides, he shows a side we don't get to see. I admire the restraint of not showing the dead of 9/11. The soundtrack over the black screen was absolutely chilling. But your question would seem to imply that you see a connection between 9/11 and Iraq. There is none. Saddam was an evil man but his crimes against his own people were never given as a reason for our war.

I mourn our fallen soldiers. I also mourn innocent Iraqi civilian casualties.
 
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"Fair and balanced" is the slogan for Fox News and Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine.
I think its great that Fox news is getting the attacks from the left because it means they might finally be balancing out other networks to the left. I also believe people are purposely ignoring the difference between commentaryopinion shows and the reporting of news on Foxnews channel. If you think Hannity and Colmes, Bill O'reilly and other similar commentors are reporting news (ie. Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Medved, Cal Thomas, etc) they aren't because they are not news reporters! They never meant to report news like a reporter is suppose to but to make comments and opinions on it!
 
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Well, perhaps Michael Moore outdid himself in F911...but Bowling for Columbine is totally real. I mean I support Bush and I am not a pacifist at all. Instead of going against our President in times like these we should be supporting him. I dont agree with all things that he has done and in some situations a one-armed, blind monkey mightve made better decisions, but overall I do not want Kerry...so I oppose F911 because I think that Moore really shouldve realized that this may be a good time to blast the pres adn get money, the pres is busy blasting another country where our kids and friends may be fighting right now...so moore was quite ignorant and selfish to make this movie.
 
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So almost everyone here had their opinion on this movie.Some are still defending the new American tyrant and some are bashing him.My advice see the movie then give your opinion for you cant judge a book by its cover or a movie.I
thought the movie was great my second best film I have ever seen.Made america look bad those are some of the things that I like in this film.
 
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It is important to remember it is not a documentary. It was discussed on Larry King (I think that is where I heard it) and on snopes.com (or one similar) and much of what was presented in his (Moore's) editing has been proven to be false.

I did see it and it was presented very powerfully. But after seeing his Columbine movie and how he treated Charlton Heston, I do not trust Moore's take on anything.
 
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timusic76 said:
Based on statements MMoore has made, his philosophies are at enmity with God and opposed to God's righteousness. And before anyone is saved, we are all at enmity with God. (see Col 1:21)
It's foolish to attempt to imply that a person who is at emnity with God is never telling the truth, and never right about anything. As soon as one finds an atheist who agrees with a devout believer on any matter - be it the economy, the war, or whatever - your claim fails. What's more, there are atheists who think Michael Moore is a liar - just as there are atheists who think he's telling the truth.

For your premise to be accurate, both groups would have to be 100% wrong. And that isn't possible.

So as soon as one admits that it is possible for an atheist to be right at something, then you are compelled to concede that Moore may be right about this.
 
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pthalomarie said:
It's foolish to attempt to imply that a person who is at emnity with God is never telling the truth, and never right about anything
I wasn't attempting to imply this. Didn't mean it come accross that way if it did. We're all at enmity with God before we are converted for that matter. Also, I was attempting to point out that statements MMoore has made has shown his opposition to God.
 
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timusic76 said:
I wasn't attempting to imply this. Didn't mean it come accross that way if it did. We're all at enmity with God before we are converted for that matter. Also, I was attempting to point out that statements MMoore has made has shown his opposition to God.
I have not read Moore's statements on religion. But in terms of his political beliefs and activism, they're irrelevant. What Moore knows or doesn't know about Iraq or Bush is completely seperate from his opinion on Jesus.

Think of it this way: does your doctor need to be a Christian in order to diagnose your illness?
 
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pthalomarie said:
I have not read Moore's statements on religion. But in terms of his political beliefs and activism, they're irrelevant. What Moore knows or doesn't know about Iraq or Bush is completely seperate from his opinion on Jesus.

Think of it this way: does your doctor need to be a Christian in order to diagnose your illness?
Does the President need to be a Christian to run the country?
 
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TriZz said:
Does the President need to be a Christian to run the country?
Not neccessarily. I would prefer it, but we've had plenty of bad Christian presidents, and we've had good presidents who were deists or doubters. There is no evidence that faith is significant factor which by definition enhances anyone's expertise in a worldy occupation.
 
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I haven't seen the said movie. I want to, but I'm not much for paying $9.00 to see a movie that I can see in a month for $5.00 in my home. The option to pause, the cheaper price, the more comfortable seats, the less expensive munchies...ahhhh! However, I'm not much of a Bush fan, which is sorta why I want to see it. I've been told that it's a very biased stance where editing is used to prove MMoore's side. I don't know how much I agree with that. If that's true, then it would not be a documentary...however, that's the genre in which it is catagorized.

Sort of like The Passion of the Christ. Everyone said "it's too violent, it's a blood bath!" Well, if that's the way that it happened, then that's the way I want it presented to me...no matter how disturbing the truth is...

So, if this is a one-sided tale with no investigation of the other end of the spectrum...then what good is it?
 
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